Forum:Desysoping Imrlybord7

Recently, Imrlybord7 has been acting unprofessional and unbefitting an admin. There is evidence that he provoked PGB as well as TMOI. He's been rude with some users, he's brought an issue from another wiki onto this wiki. He abused his power by deleting several pages without any discussion. Evidence will be posted below.
 * 1) Discussion, URLs to other evidence can be found here.
 * 2) Rude to PGB, flame and/or provocation.
 * 3) Harassment
 * 4) Harassment
 * 5) Harassment
 * 6) Blatant unilateral deletions, power abuse
 * 7) Harassment and provocation (view the following sections as well)
 * 8) Defense of prior actions (see above), should be noted
 * 9) Explanation of actions, should be noted.
 * 10) Defense of actions.
 * 11) Brought issue from another wiki, and continued to harass Darth.
 * 12) Intimidating and rude behavior

Many users, including myself, have a great deal or respect for Imrlybord7, and many of us are his friend, however the actions shown above are too much. He was trusted with sysop tools, but has shown that he cannot resist insulting and harassing other users. While his contributions cannot be ignored, his actions as an administrator have led me and others to believe that he is no longer fit to be a sysop of our wiki, while he can continue to contribute as a regular user.

There is other evidence of him provoking the user, TMOI, but said blogs have since been deleted for the reactions to said provocation. TMOI took the punishment for that incident in stride, apologizing, promising to improve, and has since improved, Bord has instead acted rudely against another user.

Because of the above listed evidence, it is my firm belief that Imrlybord7 should be desysoped to stem this behavior. There has been discussion of taking this action on IRC, and several others users are of this belief, we mean no offense to Bord, but this behavior is unacceptable.

Discussion below:

Support - per above.

Support - Bord, you are my friend, but adminsa re supposed to be role-models to wikians and maintain a professional attitude. Don't hate me for this Bord but you have not been doing so. And per Darthkenobi0 above. --CodExpert 02:25, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Blah/Support-I could not think of what to call this, but I agree something i wacko and Bord needs a talking to and the power has gone to his head, so Bord you have been a good friend but This has gone to far,

p.s. Guys be sure to keep this discussion on wiki, so we do not have any repeat incedents  T  C  E   B 02:27, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Off-wiki discussion was about whether to post this or not.


 * Ok ok GenCain sig.jpg T  C  E   B 02:32, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

NeutralI don't know. I really don't know. I don't know enough of the situation to make an informed decision and I feel almost as if this was done hastily. I see no support from admins (all you claim are "several users" on IRC and who knows who they could be) and seeing that you yourself are part of the evidence, I don't think you're truly unbiased ,which is what we need in this situation. Note that the URLS to PGB are from ''February. ''Why bring up old cases if they no longer have any real relevance? Imrlybord7 did what all of us do at one point: he overreacted and let him emotions get the better of him. I need to know more of the situation before I can even begin to support something like this. Cpl. Wilding 02:28, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Done in haste? No, this is very thought out. 02:38, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Bord, you should serioiusly be reading this. This is not a jack-ass troll plan. I completely agree with the facts that you are a great editor, you had many GREAT, no, even AMAZING contributions, but in my eyes, this is complete power abuse. You should have discussed things. You should have kept your head calm. You should have not gotten power hungry. I still see you as an amazing edit, but an amazing editor without being trusted admin powers. I am sorry.  Commander W567123daniel Wanna Talk? 02:33, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I'm in agreement, too much provoking arguments, harassment, ect. I have believed Bord to be a friend to me, he still is, although this is just too far. 02:24, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support : Drop the B& Hammer (ok, Sysop hammer) in full swing

Support- Most of you may be thinking to yourselves right now "Oh it is TMOI, he will support", but in all fairness he DID take the time to read my apology and revoke my ban outof the bottom of his heart. Yes he was provoking me, and asking my to defend my ideals which NOBODY should EVER have to do, and I cannot forgive him for that, but I will think of it. --TMOI 02:51, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - I'm away for two days and this happens? Yes, Bord's made mistakes, yes, he can be short tempered. Does he deserve a de-sysopping? Absolutely not. Most of the evidence you brought up is stuff from several months ago (namely the PGB stuff) and is no longer relevant, a lot has happened back then. The TMOI incident is of some concern, but you have to remember that only two admins have been de-sysopped in the history of this wiki. One was a corrupt bureaucrat who had had a LONG history of incidents (we're talking nearly a year) and the other was a guy who was de-sysopped for stupid reasons by said corrupt bureaucrat, and left soon afterward so we never got the chance to reinstate him. My point is, it takes A LOT to merit a de-sysopping. A few childish grudges are not enough. I'm not saying he's completely innocent, he needs to learn to keep his temper in check, but I have complete faith in him as a sysop and if he learns to do that, he'd be an even better one.--WouldYouKindly 03:13, June 10, 2010(UTC)
 * It isn't his place to delete the pages, in no way can he take that decision upon himself. And how in the hell is this "a few childish grudges"? Trivializing the matter and attacking our point as some sort of immature grudge is ridiculous. Time does not make it any less relevant.

Comment - No. With all due respect, WYK, the injustice in this Wiki has been going on FAR to long. This all started since the "My face" blogs started up. I STRONGLY urge you to rethink you vote, WYK. --TMOI 03:21, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - @ WYK, he may do more for this wiki than almost anyone, but this is too much. As of the last month hes created more problems then almost any user makes in years. 03:25, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - More than me? lulz --TMOI 03:26, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment I don't mind giving him a few days to cool down, but perma blocking him is ridiculous. Darkman 4 03:29, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose -Per WYK. Has anyone even considered Bord's beneficial and constructive edits? Sure he takes his finalizes his ideas with other users' consents, but de-sysoping? Maybe he should have to ask for permission from other admins about his actions. If anyone should be de-sysoped, it would be ME. Maj.Gage Talk. 03:30, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * You people don't seem to be reading, I specifically said he's a great editor, but I don't trust him with the powers anymore, he can continue to aid the wiki without them. And don't try to change the subject, this is about his actions, past and present.

Comment - Speaking of this, what is to be done about CallofDuty4? He vandalized by usergroup, and his intent was more than obvious, and he has definetly showed defiance of power before. --TMOI 03:31, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * This doen't belong here. Make another blog or forum about it. [[File:Anim-ac-130 emblem.gif]] Commander W567123daniel Wanna Talk? 03:32, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - He did delete a few articles and pages i was following without telling anyone and he tryed going off on me for telling him something. I wanted to say something nasty back but I didn't want to get blocked.  Diante  grassstain     03:38, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose- Per WYK and Maj.Gage. Like what WYK said, he made a few mistakes but he never did anything to me whatsoever. And plus, I think the Desysoping thing is too harsh. --Soldier 05:29, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support- Per Darth. I think he's been abusing his power.Moiz1224 05:38, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I think that rather than trying to desysop or decrat an admin, the Wiki as a whole needs to come up with, and pass into policy clear cut rules that an admin or 'crat cannot do. For instance admins and crats cannot swear at all to other users irregardless of circumstance. Once you swear at a user an admins creditability comes in to question. Issues about flamebaiting and trolling no matter what the circumstance is prohibited. Etc, etc.etc. and going with the AEAE policy, should an admin break said rules he/she will be blocked accordingly. I sincerely hope that this is all water under the bridge as I do like all parties concerned and I would like to see all conflicts resolved in a friendly manner.  Talk 05:46, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I like Whiskey35's solution. Instead of de-sysopping two good admins, we need to do something that can prevent admins from overstepping their boundaries (intentionally or unintentionally) in the future. First and foremost, what needs to happen, is that we need some kind of policy in place that clearly states that major policy changes and/or overhauls like the Blogging Restrictions and the RL article deletions cannot be put into place until the community comes up with a solution that works best for everyone. That means no more under-the-table discussions on other wikis, and no more sudden springing of major policy changes on the community, the community needs to know about something that major from the start. As much as we try to enforce AEAE, it seems to take a backseat all too often in the name of getting the job done quickly. This cannot happen anymore, it's what's causing all this conflict.

EDIT: Actually, come to think of it, all of this could easily be worked into AEAE, I'm going to bed now but I'll likely start a War Room discussion on it tomorrow--WouldYouKindly 05:58, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per WYK and Gage. I'd give my input, but I just can't seem to focus now. Chief z 06:04, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - If Darkman is still a crat and Cod4 is still a sysop, then there is no way I will be desysoped for any of this behavior. But now let's do a quick run through to "destroy" at least some of the "evidence" posted against me. Links 1, 2, and 3 all occurred before I was made an administrator and as such have no bearing on the discussion. Link 5 was not an act of harassment in any way, shape, or form. The only mistake I made in Link 11 was not keeping it on the Battlefield Wiki. Other than that, Darth, the blame was all on your side of the table. As for the article deletions, well, those were all easily undone and I never would have considered just going ahead with them if that wasn't the case, and as Scottie was quick to point out (thanks in advance), the decision was not nearly as unilateral as it was made out to be. And I think I did, pardon my french (since apparently we can't handle swear words anymore without some kind of warning), a damn good job defending my actions. And in response to link 12, I really did think he was spamming the wiki. So that's over half of the evidence nice and out the window (well, some of it is debatable, but links 1, 2, 3, 5, and 11 are indisputably irrelevant). As for the rest of it, well, it isn't nearly enough to get anyone desysoped. It seems like most of you are just going with the flow here. "Hmmmm... I disagree with some of Bord's actions recently, so even though I don't know what kind of behavior warrants a desysoping I'll go ahead and support it without first checking to see if the evidence brought up against him is even legitimate in the slightest." I'm disappointed in all of you. I am fully aware that none of you are doing this just to spite me, which I appreciate, but you are making a few mountains out of a few molehills, and some of the molehills aren't actually there. Imrlybord7 07:02, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Whoops, I forgot that three of those links were me defending or explaining myself, not evidence. So that means that of the nine pieces of evidence, five are definitely impertinent and two more are debatable. Imrlybord7 07:09, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know I respect you, but past actions and your defense show us about your behavioral patterns. I was honestly in favor of the temporary removal of your powers, because you've only shown any tendency to abuse them recently, and you're a great guy, but your recent behavior has been ridiculous and unacceptable; if it were up to me, I'd go with Darkman's plan. Bord, you're probably one of the most respected users on a wiki that I've ever met and had the pleasure of talking to, but you seemed to be a bit of a "prick" when you started here, and you seem to be that way once more, it's a shame but I and others believe that the only way to stem this is the removal of your powers, we think you've grown too self-sure. You're my bro and I think this is best for not only the wiki, but I think this would be best to help you realize that you need to learn to treat users better. And I thank you for realizing this was not made out of some grudge, it's strictly professional. I really hope you realize what I'm trying to say and respond, I've left you several messages recently, but I never received any sort of response, you say you wished I'd talked to you personally first, I tried. I hope there are no hard feelings, as I said, strictly business.

Support - All of my full explanation was edited but just dissaperared so I'm going to make this short. Now, I agree with Darkman on blocking Bord for a few days. 08:25, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The TMOI incident: Bord replied to TMOI in an imaturely way.
 * The "War" Between PGB and Bord: Plainly, Bord was just being very rude to PGB, who finally decided to leave for a while.


 * PGB was blocked for a year. He didn't decide to leave. Imrlybord7 07:27, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying he should be banned; he just needs his powers removed for a week or so to cool off for a bit. Darkman 4 07:49, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment: I don't mean to tread on anyone's toes here, but what makes you think this will actually make any difference whatsoever? 10:13, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Could you be more specific, Raven? Imrlybord7 10:15, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Per what I said about Darkman. He has made some big mistakes, but I don't feel that's grounds for having his sysop powers removed. 17:58, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Just some quick announcements


 * 1) Actually vote. That is directed specifically at Whiskey and KillerKing, who have both verbalized (typed) their view that I should not be desysopped, but it also goes for anyone else who has abstained, whether they support or oppose.
 * 2) Check the facts. I have already refuted quite a bit of the evidence presented against me, which is kind of a big deal.
 * 3) Bear in mind that I am not a 'crat getting decratted. If I was a 'crat then I would agree that I would deserve decratting, as decratting is not that big a deal and 'crats should basically be perfectly behaved. However, desysopping is an extremely harsh punishment, as WYK explained above. Imrlybord7 10:30, June 10, 2010 (UT


 * Actually, WYK said specifically it isn't a punishment, and it isn't. I'm not sure if you saw my paragraph, but I'm really all for a temporary desysoping, you've been a bit abusive recently, but not for a very long time in the past.

Change to undecided-While Bord was wrong he handled this whole blog very maturely. I feel a better proposal needs to put fourth, so I will say this: He should a) have to issue a public apologie, and b) I feel if he is de-admined then I should not be forever and it should be for more than a few days, So like a week before B.O come out he can have his poweres back  T  C  E   B 10:31, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose- I guess I didn't hit save last time, sorry Bord. I think this is VERY harsh. I could point out that Darth made some comments about TMOI as well, but none were "very" extreme. KillerKing17 10:34, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - My vacation starts soon, I haven't logged on for a few days, and this happens? Per WYK. -- 10:38, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I would have more respect for your votes if you showed that you actually read all of what has been said above. "and this happens?" Details more of "I saw the title and oppose because either A) I feel like appeasing an admin B)I like him so I'd like to keep a friend in a high place or C) Good admin IMO, oppose desysoping him". Some actual input and/or rebuttal like Bord's given would be nice, this is a serious decision and so many people seem to be taking it so likely. Do any of you honestly think I LIKED posting this? Bord is a fucking amazing guy and a great friend, writing what I wrote tore me up, but it had to be written.
 * Comment I feel that Mr. Bord should be de-admined untill B.O. comes out, or mabey a week before hand GenCain sig.jpg T <font color="Crimson"> C <font color="Gold"> E  <font color="Crimson"> B 10:56, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I feel that Mr. Bord should be de-admined untill B.O. comes out, or mabey a week before hand GenCain sig.jpg<font color="Gold"> T <font color="Crimson"> C <font color="Gold"> E  <font color="Crimson"> B 10:56, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Darth, you were the one who put this forward. If you feel that I should temporarily desysoped, than that is the proposed punishment. If anyone thinks I should be permanently desysoped then they can make a separate discussion. Imrlybord7 10:59, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I put the issue of your desysopment up as a topic, I didn't intend for the voting to begin so soon, I was forced to put up the voting template after several were cast... As it says above the little line, discussion below. I would have had this run much more as a discussion with a possible vote, honestly. You still haven't addressed the points I've brought up pertaining to your apparent relapse to your early patterns of user treatment, and you wish for me to talk to you personally, yet unwillingness to respond to my most recent messages.


 * I forgot to mention that I put this forward as a representative as a group of some of this wiki's senior users (those being, Chiafriend12, Dolten, W567123daniel, CodExpert, primarily) that as a whole, had not decided whether the topic would be a permanent or temporary desysoping. As I told you in my message, I felt that it would be best coming from a friend.


 * Your messages were pretty vague. You never mentioned anything about putting me up for losing adminship. And what do you mean I haven't addressed them? I proved that the majority of your "evidence" against me was completely irrelevant. What else do I have to say? That people are way too sensitive? That you are taking several isolated incidents of user treatment and using them to portray me in an unrealistic way? Well then, there we go. Imrlybord7 11:09, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll be blunt, I've looked at old logs, when you came to the wiki you were very obviously an asshole, and your recent behavior seems to be mirroring it exactly. The PGB incident was ongoing, not isolated, the TMOI incident was very recent, the older posts were to show context, what I'm saying (again) is that you seem to be losing your finesse, you've been quite rude to some recently, and the very post I'm responding to, isn't actually addressing what I asked you to address in the message that was a response to. My messages may not have been filled with links or evidence, but I made it clear I thought you were going over the line, it wasn't until yesterday afternoon that I proposed that this very topic be brought up, it isn't like we've been plotting this, we had a simple discussion regarding this about half an hour before I posted this WR topic.

Neutral, Leaning towards Support - Well, I can't decide. Bord normally is a nice guy, but around now, he's been an asshole. Bord, I'm sorry, and Darth, I'm sorry. I'll have more to say when I get home from school. <font style="background:darkred">  404 Error   File Not Found  Please Try Again 11:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - @Darth The evidence pertaining to PGB is old, to the point where Bord wasn't even an admin. That's not relevant enough to desysop him. He was, however, involved in the TMOI incident, and I feel he (from what I saw) acted responsibly and (no offense) TMOI blew the entire thing out of proportion. -- 11:24, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you read through EVERYTHING I listed? A lot of what was posted was during the recent "Wiki War" in which I posted evidence against PGB. And if you're reading what I'm saying, I said he seems to be repeating his old ways. Don't rebuke something I've said until you read the rest of what I said, thank you.

Firstly, you are forgetting the kind of human being that PGB is, and please bear in mind that you don't know anything about how the dynamics of my relationship with him work (our friendship, if you will). The only people who are qualified to judge any of my dealings with PGB are EightOhEight and Griever (no, I am not blaming you for not understanding my relationship with PGB, only pointing out that you do not). Secondly, that means that the only reasons you are proposing this are for my arguments with TMOI, my message to stark, and the mass deletions. My first argument with TMOI was accidentally started by me and elevated by both of us, so I will definitely take some blame for that. My second "argument" with TMOI was not my fault in the slightest. All I did was block him after reading through some comments that he posted. I had nothing to do with TMOI posting those comments that time (i.e. no provocation or involvement on my part); I only responded to accusations that he made, all of which was done in a fairly civil manner. The only thing even remotely bad that I did there was call him "insane," which was pretty excusable given what he had been saying. Then, as for the message to stark, like I said, I thought he was a vandal/spammer/troll. Saying "what the fuck" to someone isn't exactly a big deal, at least not a big enough deal to get someone desysoped. And lastly, I already addressed the deletions. The decision was not as unilateral as it was made out to be and I would not have done it if it couldn't have been easily undone. I have explained all of this at one point or another, so I don't see how I have dodged any questions. Imrlybord7 11:34, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Let's start then, enlighten us as to how your relationship with PGB works, if we do not understand, help us to.


 * We are friends who insult each other constantly. That's pretty much all there is to it. But once again, pointing out PGB incidents only serves to demonstrate old behavior, it cannot be used as a reason to desysop me. So the reasons are down to saying "what the fuck," accidentally provoking TMOI and then elevating the incident, calling TMOI "insane" after he insulted me excessively, and deleting articles in an act of what I saw as simple maintenance (given the tone of previous discussions and in credence to new policies). Imrlybord7 11:57, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * People seem to be ignoring my "repetition of old patterns" thing. Anyway, I've been up for way too long, I'll let Chia continue this discussion for me once he's on. I'll leave with this: deleting so many articles is something you should have known is not your decision to make alone, and at the very least something you should have brought up, instead of announcing.


 * Acknowledged, but I haven't done anything that even comes close to grounds for desyoping. Imrlybord7 12:07, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Change to Neutral - Per reasons at the top of page. I don't know what to say, I just feel Bord should not lose his powers, but should rather have a cool down period. -- 11:48, June 10, 2010 (UTC)