Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2/Archive 1

Source websites?--Azncutthroat 17:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Righto, I just saw this page and looked it up. It's incredible!  Look on Google. Creepydude 17:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Semi-lock this page?
I was just thinking, maybe we should semi-lock this page so only registered users can edit it, as it is recent big news, and we will likely get swarms of people coming to change it... Anyone? Is this a good idea or a bad one? Creepydude 18:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would probably be for the best.--Azncutthroat 18:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, now all we need is an admin... I haven't had much luck in general contacting them...  Creepydude 18:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems Rs beat me to the punch. 22:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks both of you. Right on. Creepydude 04:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Unregistered Users
Any unregistered users who want to edit this page and have a valid reason, please post here why you want to, and if you want to add a paragraph or something, just post that here. If you legitimately want to add content and cannot, then I am sorry, but there are too many vandalism attempts and definitely more forthcoming, so we have to lock this article. Thank you,   M/Sgt. Creepydude Sniper   Say Some'at Here!

03:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I think the fourth perk symbol in the trailer (or the last since the arrow to the right of it is biger than the other symbols) is a perk that puts your dot, on an enemys UAV, in a differemt location than you are. Instead of players using UAV jammer, they can use this perk to throw off the enemy. I think this because in the symbol, there is an arrow pointing to a circle or "target" which is like saying this is where the "fake you is." Or, it could be the new steady aim perk since there is an arrow pointing to a target. Moreover, it could be the World at War equiviltant, Reconnaissance, since there is an arrow pointing to a circle or "area" or where abouts of "enemys" etc.

just my thoughts.

Should that picture be used?
That picture being used for the game is probably just being used for the purposes of the trailer. Shouldn't we use something else?


 * I don't believe there is anything else available. Teaser trailer only or not, it's still the only logo that we know of for MW2. 22:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm with Bovell. Darkman 4 23:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Title change
The title of the page needs to be changed from "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" to "Modern Warfare 2" Imrlybord7 13:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I was going to say this at some point myself. According to an official press release, MW2 will not have the Call of Duty prefix. Despite this, I believe we should still have this game detailed in our wiki, as it is a sequel to Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, which IS part of the Call of Duty franchise. 13:39, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I certainly agree that it should be part of the wiki, just saying that the title of this page needs to be changed. Imrlybord7 18:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah sorry about that, got a little off topic there, heheh. I'll go ahead and move the page, as it should be at its proper name. 19:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Armsel Striker
I was watching the video (that aired May 24th on TNT) and I saw a Armsel Striker. It is a shotgun with a revolving mechanism. More info @ this link: http://www.onwar.com/weapons/infantry/firearms/Armsel_Striker.html http://www.imfdb.org/images/2/26/Protecta.jpg

What Was Said In The Elevator
Not sure if I should add this but I heard the words "stand by" and "remember the Russian". Could be references to Mile High Club where the target is a Russian, it could also be a reference to Imran Zakhaev. PhantBat 01:46, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I originally though he said "Stand by." and "Remember, you're Russian." but after viewing posts on Infinity Ward's official forums, I now believe he says "S'nami Bog." and then after that, "Remember, no Russian". S'nami Bog in Russian means God is with us, which would make sense if they were a terrorist group. And the reason why I think he says no Russian is that they are trying to impersonate the United States. Notice how in the video, you can briefly see them pulling out an M4 Carbine, which is one of the US's standard weapons. Possibly, the group wants to make it looks like its attack was made by the US. So to complete the act, no one should speak Russian, so that their true identity is not given away. 12:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clarifying that! Certainly interesting to fake a US attack! PhantBat 19:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The line "remember, no Russians" probably means do not kill any Russians in the airport. Russian terrorists who attack a European airport would probably not wan to kill their own people.
 * People have been saying that the line spoken was "Remember, no Russian(s)." But When I heard it, it almost sounded like "Remember, don`t rush them. Corky64 19:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I would have to say that "Remember, no Russian" would make the most sense in the current situation. Why would they (not) want to rush out of the elevator? They're facing defenseless civilians anyway, it's BAM you're dead by the time someone notices a guy with an M4. So it wouldn't make much difference if they did it any faster or slower, someone's going to die anyway. 21:41, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I guess you're right. "Remember, no Russian" does sound more reasonable, as Russians posing as Americans is most likely the situation.Corky64 00:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Did any one pick up the last Russian words at the end (after the explosions)? PhantBat 20:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * At about 1:51, translated from Russian, it means: "Revolution is not possible without a revolutionary situation." It's actually a quote from Vladimir Lenin. 21:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Green Wave
The "green wave" is a sound spectrograph, although I'm not too sure if that's the right instrument. --Azncutthroat 17:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The green wave in the trailer signifies the audio...24.1.34.230 21:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Teddy Bear
Yay! the teddy bear is back! but..errmm..it does'nt really have anything to do with the trailer? as in mentioning?--DerynJ1 19:57, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

More General Hints
Oh, I also found a walkthrough of the trailer on joystiq.com (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/27/modern-warfare-2-trailer-analysis-hints-at-perks-locations-ted?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_joystiq). Seems okay... And then this one (http://bashandslash.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=562&Itemid=111). --Azncutthroat 18:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Elevator Signs
ya I'm sure everyone knows that the L1 and L2 are the things in elevators, but this trailer may show two teams as M in an elevator is for mezanine which is in hotels or apartments. So could it be two Russian teams.

Release date for modern warfare 2
[[Media:Example.ogg]] ON the final screen in the first trailer an "11" like in the elevator (notice that they were nowere near that floor) could indicate a November release date. the "2" could also indicate the second, so the release date could be november 2nd. 99.151.171.137 21:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Erm, this is actually confirmed at the end of the trailer. The release date is November 10th, 2009. 22:22, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

STORY OF MODERN WARFARE 2
IN THE TRAILER FOR MODERN WARFARE 2 A PLANE THAT APPEARS CRASHED IS VISUAL FOR A SLIT SECOND THEREFORE I BELIEVE MILE HIGH CLUB WAS A PREVIEW SO IT MUST TAKE PLACE AFTER MILE HIGH CLUB.

PLEASE DON'T USE ALL CAPS. CAW4 18:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)CAW4

The plane is blown up at the end of the level Mile High Club. Something similar to the level could be in Modern Warfare 2 though.

Perks?
If you look at the trailer at 1:12 (when they get out of the elevator) look at the top right corner and you'll see 5 symbols.What are these?Are they new perks or what?Jedi127 20:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Jedi127

It most likely is perks, one of them looks like the deep impact one, the others are most likely going to be new ones.--All sneaky like 19:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * From left to right, first one appears to be Stopping Power. Second one looks like the shoe of Hermes/Mercury (Greek/Roman Messenger God), which would imply that the perk makes one run faster. Third one is some symbol from World at War, I've seen it before at the stats screen. Last perk I'm not so sure on, but I hope it's not a vehicle perk since tanks killed World at War. Oh, and 5th I don't believe is a perk, just a sign, since it's bigger than the others. 21:50, 26 April 2009 (Cujo two this Vulture solid copy on all)

I agree on the list of perks stated here, but I think the fourth(last) symbol looks a tad bit like martyrdom. I have a gut feeling that you'll play as Captain Price's son.Balrog95 14:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

in 4 perks i think it was Shield---nicolasm 14:40, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

The Box Art?
CoDFan3 00:12, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Just a question, but where exactly did the boxart photo come from exactly? Like I said, I don't doubt it, it's just I'd never saw it before. -User:CoDFan3


 * The image was originally posted on Twitter by fourzerotwo. He's a developer at Infinity Ward and is actually the staff member in charge of the live feed of Modern Warfare 2. He's also a moderator of the Modern Warfare 2 part of Infinity Ward's official forum. I believe that's a reliable enough of a source, which is why I uploaded his teaser image of the box art. 12:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

CoDFan3 23:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC):Oh, thanks for clearing that up. -User:CoDFan3

Sneak peek
Mabye Mile high club (at the end of the 4th one) was a sneek peek of one of the missions? a demo of sorts? Eternalnight264 12:26, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

That is one of the rumors currently circulating as some players claim to see a downed plane in one of the green waves in the trailer.-- 13:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep, you can see the cabin of the plane in Mile High Club as well as the plane after it presumably crashed. 21:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Title "Confusion"
I'm a bit reluctant to consider the fact that Call of Duty might be back in the title of Modern Warfare 2. While it was indeed Michael Griffith, the President and CEO of Activision, who brought this news, I'd like to wait until E3 when we can truly confirm this. Odds are, Infinity Ward is going to unveil something at E3. 11:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, while Activision has the final say, Michael Griffith might have been mistaken. We should wait for final conformation from Infinity Ward.-- 12:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I added a picture and a description of said picture!!!!
Remember, it is just some thoughts! Callofduty4 12:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Paragraphs that should be removed
The following paragraph should be removed from the Speculation section, as it has no proof and is just random assumption:

''At the very end right before the large 2 lights up, you can see a 1 on the left and a 3 on the right. There is also an M next to the 1 on the left. This could possibly mean there will be a Modern Warfare 3, as the M stands for Modern, and the 1 stands for the first game.

In the perks screenshot, the first one is stopping power, the second one could be 'super speed', as the boot has a wing. It could also be flying, although it is very unlikely. The third one looks like two RPGs crossed or two guns crossed, which may mean it is Overkill or 'Double Ammo'. The last one looks like an arrow making a sonic boom, which could mean increased bullet speed, which means even if a target is moving if the gun is aimed at him he will be hit, you do not need to aim in fromt of him. It could also be a ???portal gun???''

--194.106.220.19 15:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

reply to above crap
uhh, i actually thought quite a while about these perks, so they are not a 'random guess' and therefore should not be removed. The same thing applies to the Modern Warfare lights. Think before you speak dude. Oh by the way, the stopping power perk is a random assumption, eh? Look at the picture i put on the main page. Then type your own assumption and try to do better. Post it on this page.

This might be a bit out of line, but I just have to respond to whoever wrote the above paragraph. You are an idiot. An absolute idiot. Portal? And FYI all bullets move at an infinite velocity in Call of Duty (because there aren't any bullets, just numbers being instantly projected from the gun onto wherever the shooter is aiming), so there would never be a perk for "faster bullets." Your ideas are incredibly stupid and I hope you never edit here again. Imrlybord7 07:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Callofduty4 17:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * tbh all of the speculation regarding the new perk icons is nothing more than educated guesses. For all we know, one of the perks featured could give you a jetpack. Darkman 4 18:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Dark. If no source is given within 2 days, the questionable content will be removed.-- 19:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Why call me an idiot, I did not 'guess', because I could have put any crap down. I put some decent thought and yes, maybe they are wrong. They probably are wrong. I will undo all 'EXCEPT the Stopping Power one, as I, along with many other people, believe it to be that. Sorry if I broke any policies or anything. BTW do you really have to be so aggressive Imrlybord7? Callofduty4 17:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh you already did. Thanks! Callofduty4 17:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

"Double Ammo?" Bandolier already does that, and those are two crossed knives/swords, not guns/rpgs. If anything, it would be Overkill, Double Attachments, or a melee related perk. There obviously wouldn't be a super speed or flying perk because those would be incredibly stupid and game breaking. I explained why there couldn't be a "faster bullet" perk. And suggesting a portal gun is just ridiculous. If you are below the age of 12 then I apologize for my aggression, if not then you completely deserved it. Imrlybord7 00:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude please leave me alone! IM SORRY Callofduty4 18:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

65.32.51.72 01:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)For those it concerns65.32.51.72 01:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC) Just a reader and fellow game enthuists! oh but for those who said there is no perk for faster bullets did you forget double tap or what is speeds up fire and bullet speed but just barly i have tested this a few times me a like 3 friends shot at the same time with a M14 and i hit first with double tap i mean i tested it like 20 times because we were tring to find the best like for are wepons in clan battles, but you are right it is just information be traveld over the internet or through our sysetem but none the less it can be sped up. Sorry if there is any Spelling errors!

Learn to use punctuation. Double Tap increases rate of fire for automatic weapons, bolt action rifles, and shotguns. All bullets move at an infinite velocity except the M82 on the level One Shot One Kill. There is no way to increase infinity in a pragmatic sense. Imrlybord7 14:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Promo Video
From the new video, it looks like, the game will take place in Northern Russian (snow part) at a base of some sort. The underwater bit, is awesome as well! PhantBat 22:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I can see a Steyr AUG or possible an Austeyr. Also, during the snowmobile scene I can see a Glock 17. The guy running has a AK-47. Outlaw 2-5

The guy sitting in a chopper has a M21 (0:01-0:02). nuttex

The M21 is the sniper version of the M14. The M24 is the U.S. Army's version of the R700. The M40 is the U.S. Marine Corps's version of the R700. The guy in the chopper is holding what appears to be an M21, or it could just be an M14 with a sniper scope, but that is doubtful. It is definitely not any type of R700. Imrlybord7 07:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Box art
I removed the picture that showed a tiny bit of box art because it broke up the weapon list and showed almost nothing. Plus, we now have a much better box art picture. Imrlybord7 16:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Weapon list
Should I start making pages for guns, or is that jumping the gun a bit (pun intended)? Imrlybord7 16:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You're jumping the gun. We should wait until we either get more info and/or have a demo released so that we can examine the gun files. Darkman 4 16:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

From what I saw, I think the AUG is an A2. The scope is the typical Steyr AUG scope shape, but it was attached by a picatinny rail. The A1 has the scope attached directly. The main scans on giantbomb are gone, but I'm sure someone can find them with some digging, or just wait for the June issue of GameInformer

I think that it will just be the AUG, with an A1 version having the fixed scope, and the A2 version having rails/iron sights. Kind of like how the MP5 with a suppressor was the MP5SD. I'll change it to just say AUG. Imrlybord7 12:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I was looking at GI (Game Informer), and I think I saw a Remington 870 Shotgun.

Also, can anyone point out where the MP5-K is? Outlaw 2-5 In the photos from GameInformer in the picture that shows the riot shields you can see what appears to be an MP5 MP5, POSSIBLY the MP5K. I honestly don't know, but I have heard multiple people saying that they saw it, and all of them said the same spot and had no reason to lie (they were posting in serious weapon topics and all of their other information was correct). I'm taking their word for it. Imrlybord7 12:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Could the ak looking weapon that soap and some of the other soldiers have be an an-94? compare with the wikipedia pic. look at the stock. could not be, but just a suggest.

The AK is probably a newer model AK 74 or the AK 103. Since the AK-47 was removed from service in the Russia military, although countries like North Korea, Iraq, Vietnam still use the older models.

As for the M4, since we know the main character...playable and NPC will be SAS, it should be the Canadian Diemaco C8SFW...this time, Infinity Ward should make their weapons list right in real life; the SAS do not use M4s, unless there is the appearance of another playable character who is either a US Army soldier (unlikely) or a US Marine (Oorah)

It definitely isn't an AN-94. Imrlybord7 12:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Added the Desert Eagle to the weapon list. It's at 0:47 in the 2 minute trailer.

Chief z 08:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

There's also a w1200 at 00:15, so that one's comming back.

i seen the the first shotgun in cod 4 in the new trailer 0:13 and also smoke grenades, i thinks its already posted but yeah

o i also seen a g3 on the new trailer at around 0:34 one of the guys in white shirt in vests is using it

also c4 is seen at around 1:01 in the new trailer

M1911 is on the list, where is it confirmed? 76.68.83.127 04:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)jordan114725

same time as the desert eagle, when the black man shoots 2 men that look to be greeting him, then he shoots the driver. one of the men he is greeting has a 1911

Magazine Scans
I'm not sure on the legality of having these uploaded to the site. I'm pretty sure it is violating a copyright held by GameInformer. Not to mention the fact that none of those images seem to have licensing. We can have the information provided in the article, just not the direct scans. 22:36, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

USAS-12?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/USAS12shotgun4104.jpg http://games.tiscali.cz/clanek/screen_detail.asp?id=13478&img=imgg.jpg look in the right hand corner. any thoughts? 69.76.52.25 23:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. The magazine slot looks wider than the actual magazine; something that the USAS-12 doesn't have. Also, the magazine in the screenshot is straight down, while the USAS' is slightly curved. Good idea though. Darkman 4 23:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

No, that is the H&K UMP submachine gun. Imrlybord7 00:14, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone name these three guns? i think from the left some kind of shotgun, then an AK variant and then some other weapon i can't make out, i can't even see where the guy is holding it at the front XD -- that worm
 * Gun on the left is some sort of Shotgun (prob M1014), the center one is a 7.62x39 AK variant and the last one is the KRISS SMG with extended magazine. Darkman 4 19:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Super Six One is Going Down
After seeing the new militia faction, I've got a feeling we're gonna have a "Black Hawk Down" level in Rio. By the looks of things, it's gonna be AWESOME. In the words of Vasquez, Oorah? Chief z 12:02, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I've got a feeling that you are very wrong. There is nothing to suggest that there will be any crashed helicopters or rescuing in that level, unless you have another definition for "Black Hawk Down level." But yes, it will be awesome. Imrlybord7 18:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

True, I guess I wasn't clear. What I meant was a level with an atmosphere similiar too "Black Hawk Down"; blazing sun, dilapidated urban environment, and rag-tag militiamen. Maybe even the AH-6's from the trailer. Fair enough?

Chief z 06:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

IMO that describes way too many movies and/or games to refer to it specifically as a "Black Hawk Down" level. Imrlybord7 14:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, who knows. Anyway, just saw the Gametrailers.com teaser and the thing that caught my eye was the dude with the mohawk at 0:16. He reminds of the SEAL from "Tears of the Sun."

Chief z 06:49, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

offical xbox magazine
i was reading a old offical xbox360 magazine where it showed a list for things to be included like the L85A1 comonly refered to the sa-80 and tanks in multiplayer....i dont now how this works and a perk for infa red just trying to identify any of those in the trailers.....also i see no shield

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The article was most likely just speculation. the shields were in the Game Informer article. Not to be a jerk, but do some research. Everybody knows about the GI article. Imrlybord7 14:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

The Protagonist
Anyone's got information about the playable characters in Modern Warfare 2? BBuzz 07:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

You Play as Soap again


 * Soap is to come back as an NPC. You may play as Soap again similar to Cpt. Price in All Ghillied Up and One Shot, One Kill, but the main protagonist has yet to be revealed. 17:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about the Gametrailers thing
I figured Kotaku would be legit, guess not. My apologies for writing about it in the first place. At least we only have to wait 3 more days for new footage! Imrlybord7 00:44, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

NVM, I found out that the trailer will air on Gametrailers TV on Spike at 12:30 AM Eeastern. Imrlybord7 02:10, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-gameplay-modern-warfare/49545

The Half-teaser 2-5

Future Warfare?
By looking at soap's picture, he looks like an elder soldier. at his bio he borns at 1980s but now he's an elder so are this call of duty is sets more futuristic? BBuzz 04:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks more like he got snow on his beard. I don't think the two games would have that much of a gap between them. Besides, the ubiquitous airplane keeps returning in the trailers, which leads me to believe the game's events take place not long after (or even before) Mile High Club. 11:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

After seeing all the teaser info, I don't think there would be a drastic update with weapons/equipment, if that's what you're getting at. Nothing like Tom Clancy's Endgame anyway. If anything, there would be changes that would reflect real-life future military plans, such as fielding the V-22 Osprey and F-35 Lightning II, or the replacement of the M24 with the M110. However, considering it is in the future, I wouldn't rule out the idea.

Chief z 07:10, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I've read somewhere that MW2 takes place in a near future like 2012 or something. But is it only me or does Soap looks like a wannabe Gaz? Guest

what AK is this?
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387 http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387 http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387

In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. 72.133.253.21 23:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Anybody?

HK416?
Uh, I was looking at the trailer below and at 11 seconds I saw what looked like the foregrip of an HK416...would anybody agree with me on this one?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/HK416.jpg/800px-HK416.jpg

Tweak95 17:30 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's the HK416. After scanning the trailer, the same gun appears at 0:13 on the soldier on the left. If you look closely at the buttstock, the end is flat and straight like on the M4, not curved like the 416.

Chief z 08:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

...They both have flat stocks... look here -> http://images.military.com/pics/SoldierTech_HK416-1.jpg CAW4 14:11, 24 May 2009 (UTC)CAW4

True, but then again they can both have foregrips. Anyway, Imrlybord7 got the description right, as I've seen that gun in my local hobby shop. No point really to model a new gun when they're both practically the same, it's just that the 416 is more reliable.

Chief z 08:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The new M4 in MW2 is modeled after the M4 S-System airsoft gun, in all seriousness. Kind of weird, but it looks awesome IMO. Imrlybord7 18:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * IW seems to have a penchant for basing their weapon models off of airsoft guns. Somebody postd on the AK-74U page that the AK-74U model is based off of an airsoft gun. Darkman 4 18:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking the exact same thing when I posted that, right down to the word "penchant." LOLOLOL Imrlybord7 07:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The gun in the trailer is a M4 carbine with S system rails.

crotmate Is it possible that this is the barret rec 7 (m468)? cos that uses SIR rails, and looks a lot like an m4.

About new info I will be posting
It comes from a Dutch preview that one of my friends translated. I don't really have any way to cite it, so I'm just going to put the info up. It's legit, don't worry. Imrlybord7 18:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have the website URL? I trust you, but I'd like to see the site first. Darkman 4 18:56, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

http://forums.infinityward.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34427&start=0 - not sure if this is what he means, but here is a lot of new info for anyone who hasn't read it - pretty interesting the parts about riot shields as perks and levels in Rio, the Desert and Snow etc.
 * Thanks for the link! Darkman 4 20:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

No Problem, thought i'd contribute something to the conversation as i've used this page many a time to check for updates myself. Alex GT oSHADOWoDEVILo

Speculation
I removed the section that talked about the first teaser trailer's speculation. Later on, much of that information will most likely be proven incorrect, and it would have just been a waste of space and information on the page.

On a lighter note, I condensed the two trailer sections so that all the videos can be viewed in the same area. 02:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

HK416


From the new trailer. Is it only me or does it look like a HK416??

Nope, it's M4 with s-system rails.

called SIR rails mate, possible that its a barret rec 7

S-System refers to a popular airsoft gun. The gun is actually an M4 with its appearance based on the M4 S-System airsoft gun.

AK103
Guys, I don't know what has GT been smoking, but the AK rifle definetely isn't AK103. Look at the muzzle brake and furniture. Also the clip. I'm 100% certain it's an AKM assault rifle with TDI arms foregrip and an aftermarket stock (kinda like m4's, but I haven't seen one on AK outside this game, and have no idea who could manufacture them)
 * At the time that was written, we didn't know it had all of those mods. Darkman 4 15:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

After studying the trailer for a while, I had an epiphany. Since IW seems to have, and I quote from above, "a penchant for basing their weapon models off of airsoft guns," I decided to go on ebay and look at the AK models. The AK ingame looks like this one- http://images.andale.com/f2/126/109/17143294/2007/8/25/jga47_collage.jpg, a JG Airsoft AK47 with an RIS. IW probably just modeled up some muzzle brake and remodeled the buttstock to make it look more modern. What convinced me was the magazine and the upper reciever. Compare with the 2 minute trailer at 1:09. Hope this helps. crotmate lets call this a tactical AK? Chief z 16:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks more like this: http://files.gunexpert.cz/200000165-817ad829fe/ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg except the magazine, the one in the trailer has a waffle magazine. 72.133.253.21 21:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree with you on that one. Don't know how you found that but it looks identical.

Chief z 04:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

That JG replica's RIS-ed furniture is actually a rip-off of TDI arms one. And the gun in the game is an AKM, not AK47,as it has that slanted muzzle brake and different reciever markings. I demand it to be corrected on the MW2's page, AK-103 is one of the most ridiculous predictions I could find.

Just to clear things up, I meant the one in the picture above, http://files.gunexpert.cz/200000165-817ad829fe/ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg, looks like the one ingame, if not the exact model. And to the above poster, please watch where you type your comments; you typed it between my comment and my sig, making it look as though I said that.

Chief z 07:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

OK, sorry. But please, change the weapon info on MW2's page to "AKM with some aftermarket parts" or sth like that.

Here's what I'll do: Now, I agree with you that it's not the AK103, there's one problem: the AKM was replaced by the AK-74 (Not AKS-74u mind you) in the 70's. After comparing the two guns with the 2 minute trailer at 1:09, I've decided it's the 74. If you compare the muzzle brakes, the AKM's is slanted while the 74's has holes in it. Compare with this pic, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AK-74_DA-ST-89-06610.jpg Yes, it's not identical, but considering it's in the future and that we've agreed it's not the AK-10X series, I believe IW would go with using the most modern derivative of the AK47. If anyone has a better idea, I'm all ears.

Chief z 10:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Can't be an AK-74. The magazine showed in the trailer holds 7.62x39mm rounds. Just because it may have an AK-74 muzzle brake doesn't mean it's an AK-74. Example of a 7.62x39mm AK with an AK-74 muzzle brake. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIs7H7-g29Q 72.133.253.21 23:59, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I know exactly what you mean; the more curved mag holds a 7.62 and the less curved holds a 5.56. I did not catch that. Taking that into account, I believe for the time being the weapon list should say AK47. We do not have solid proof of what actual AK model it is as it has been too heavliy modified to judge accurately. IW already has the AK47 modeled and programmed. With that, I consider this matter closed until further information becomes available.

Chief z 05:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

FN MAG & FN FAL
More Weapons

FN MAG comes up at the nine second mark in the reveal trailer- it's behind the man with the street sweeper shotgun.

FN FAL is seen at the thirty four second mark in the reveal trailer- guy in the front holding it. It's shown with a thirty round magazine, RIS, and a reflex sights. It also appears a few more times in the hands of other militants.

Michael b6 00:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

looks a lot like the minimi to me, based upon the size of the barrel and handguard. wait no, definately a MAG, with the front sight being on the barrel rather than the handguard


 * Thanks, I've never been good at distinguishing the FAL from the FNC. I just put the MAG down as an M249. Should I change it? Imrlybord7 18:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The FN SCAR also appears several times. It's held by quite a few soldiers, but it's easily distinguishable in several shots. I've added it temporarily, you can remove it if you disagree. The best place to see it is 1:23. - Gastropod 20:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You can tell it's a MAG since it has a longer receiver and the side shown has multiple rivets. That side of the M249 doesn't have rivets. I'm sure the M249 will make an appearance in the game, but I'm even more sure that the gun in the trailer is a MAG.
 * At 1:23 is a M4- it just has tan furniture.

Michael b6 03:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah. I stand corrected. :) - Gastropod 23:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

crotmate is it possible that at 0.29, which i would assume is in rio, the black member of the militia (i assume) is using an IMBEL MD-3 or MD-4?

It's possible since the IMBEL assault rifles are Brazilian and look like the FAL, but I can't say for sure. Imrlybord7 12:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

dont think its a FAL at all, cos the weapon seen on the militia has a NATO STANAG magazine, which the IMBEL has, where the FAL does not as it fires a 7.62mm round. Also, the handguard looks very IMBEL-ish. crotmate 22:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC) what does (UTC) mean?

I think you're correct.

Michael b6 20:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Box Art
I don't believe that is the official box art. Looks photoshopped to me. If it is not I am sorry but provide a source please. 22:50, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

A source? Infinity Ward put the pic out themselves, plus the sillouete has been used for a few weeks prior to that for a pre-order pic. CAW4 23:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)CAW4


 * Link please. I'm happy to believe that but I haven't seen it anywhere. As of now, the only box art that has been released to my knowledge is the pre-order one with the silhouette. 23:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

IW did not put that pic out. It's fake. The pre-order one with the silhouette is the closest thing to box art we have. Imrlybord7 02:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

No, dumbass, they used that pic for the Game Informer interview. CAW4 10:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)CAW4


 * Just because it's on the cover of GameInformer does not mean it will be the box art. I read GI and there have been a lot of games that are on the front cover that don't end up having that picture being the game's box art. 10:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

It's the best pic we have, and GI used it, what more do you fucking want? CAW4 15:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)CAW4


 * My gooodness, calm down. Moozipan Cheese 15:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The Gi cover art does look cooler, though. :/ Darkman 4 16:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

That pic is a photoshopped version of the Game Informer MAGAZINE cover. And if you ever talk to me like that again, I swear there will be hell to pay. I'm pretty sure I have quite a bit more authority here than you do. Screw that "all editors are equal" nonsense. I'm a huge contributor. I've written most of the MW2 page and pretty much the entire weapons list. I've also written most of the weapon, perk, and attachment pages for CoD4 and CoDWaW. So have some manners and show some respect, or get the hell off the wiki. Imrlybord7 19:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Huh, that's weird, in the few weeks I've been here I've had to fix most of the CoD4 and W@W weapons pages, and don't think you're the only one contributing to the MW2 weapons list, asshole. CAW4CAW4
 * Catfight! Darkman 4 00:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

That's because there has been an inundation of stupidity and I just don't care to redo so much work. If you really want you are free to check my edit history. And actually, I created the weapons list, and the only weapons on there that weren't added by me are the Desert Eagle, Skorpion, and FN FAL (well technically I did add the FAL, but only because somebody else pointed it out). Nice try, though. Imrlybord7 02:29, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

People, people, calm down. If you look on the page of the image in question and scroll down to the "Metadata" section, it says right there that it was made in Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0 precisely at 19:58, 20 May 2009. Now, this could mean that it is the official box art and someone saved it using Photoshop and then uploaded it here, or it could mean that it's a nice looking fake cover that was made in Photoshop. I suppose it could even mean that it was officially made in Photoshop Elements 2.0.

Also, if you look at the text style and effects used on the pre-order art and compare them with the supposedly actual cover, you'll see that the style and effects only extend a short bit away from the letter itself, as opposed to connecting from letter to letter.

Lastly, if you look at the Activision logo on the bottom of the supposedly real cover, you'll see that it's not anti-aliased--or at least not anti-aliased well. Anti-aliasing poorly- or especially not at all -is a big no-no in Photoshopping. This could support that it's either a fake or not the final.

Now people, could you not kill each other? D: 03:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Riot Shield article
Should we make one? We have very little information on it so far, but we do know it's in the game and will be a perk in multiplayer, and with E3 around the corner I think we should at least have an article ready. Moozipan Cheese 12:06, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

We know absolutely nothing about it other than that it will be a perk. We don't know how much damage it can take, how much of a body it covers, what effects it has on movement speed, what weapons you can use with it, etc. So that's a no. And sign your posts with four tildes. Imrlybord7 12:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

We can kind of guess how much the sheild will cover, as we have evidence from the screenshots and the video which both show people weilding sheilds so we can make an educated guess from them. --All sneaky like 18:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Building an entire article off of educated guesses isn't a good idea. Unless we know specifics, we shouldn't make a page for it. Darkman 4 18:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I wasnt saying to build an article i was just pointing out a piece of informtion, that can be used in the main modern warfare 2 page. --All sneaky like 13:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

W1200
I haven't seen a W1200 anywhere in the trailers, and it is an incredibly outdated weapon. I don't see why they would put this AND the Remington 870 in. If whoever put the W1200 on the list doesn't respond with proof of its inclusion, I will remove it. Imrlybord7 16:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed, I haven't seen it either. Moozipan Cheese 16:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Weapon speculation/Confirmation
From now on, discuss weapon stuff here. On to the first order of business... I'm pretty sure the MP5s are just modernized, not MP5Ks. MP5Ks have vertical foregrips (most of the time) and are REALLY small. And where is there an M14? I'm removing that if it isn't confirmed soon. Imrlybord7 17:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The M14 in the MW2 trailer is a Mark 14 Mod 0. Darkman 4 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I thought this too, although the stock looks a little different. its like a triangular shape, with a hollow bit in the middle. Its very noticable when soap (presumably) uses a snow axe to hack someone off of their snowmobile. its on his back. crotmate 22:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

What time in the trailer is it shown at? I believe you, I just want to see it. Imrlybord7 19:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * 1:30. Darkman 4 19:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you think that you will be able to costumize your weapons before every mission? I think i have read that you would be able to do something like that...


 * I heard that customized weapons can be found throughout the campaign, but not that you can do it yourself before missions. It could be a feature but I've yet to hear of it. Moozipan Cheese 20:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

GOOD news for some, bad news for others I can confirm the p90 will return 100% spotted this in the E3 demo - http://i43.tinypic.com/n37rlz.jpg so you can put that on your confirmed weapons list. Keep up the good work, excellent site. oSHADOWoDEVILo

The weapon the player is using is a Magpul Masada/ACR. Michael b6 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No, there's a P90 on the ground next to the enemy. Moozipan Cheese 21:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm talking about the playable character, Roach. Michael b6 22:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh right. Stupid me. Moozipan Cheese 22:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey in the newest Trailer at 36-38 seconds is the guy holding an MP7, i would like to see some confrimation.

Modern Warfare 2
I have heard that your name will be Sgt.Gary"Roach"Sanderson.

thats a definate, its on the video

I agree E.TALE 02:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Mission 2
Mission 2 in Modern Warfare 2 is called "Cliffhanger".

Is it actually Mission 2 though? I think it said 'Day 2' but I could be wrong. I was watching on a rather poor quality feed. Moozipan Cheese 22:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

it was definately day 2 crotmate 22:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

MP7
In the Newest Trailer, not the E3 Gameplay, at about 36 seconds in there is a Man Holding what appears to be an MP7, can I get any Confirmation

Thats a Kriss SMG

Mk. 14?
What was Pre-E3 thought to be the Mk. 14 seems to be the same gun Roche has in the demo, should it be removed from the weapons list? Whoops, sorry, just saw a hi res instead of the normal 5-minutes-after-the-trailer BS, it is a Mk. 14 CAW4 10:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)CAW4