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P90 Knifing
Holding the P90 without putting your thumb in the grip's hole allows for mobility. You can pull a knife from your waist faster this way, instead of having to unlock your thumb and pull it out from said hole. Therefore, the way that a P90 is held in CoD4 and MW2 helps with knifing. RCG_M3tal 03:27, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well, neither actually. It's just common sense... the P90 grip has a hole, but is otherwise closed off. Take another gun with a standard "stick" grip, and it's completely open. With the P90, you have to pull your hand out from the grips thumb hole and grab your knife from your belt to melee. With the stick grip weapon, you just have to slide your hand downward, and you're already at your belt where the knife is, so it's faster. It's just under a second of difference, but it's slightly faster.RCG_M3tal 17:18, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Second Russian Civil War response
Ok.--Matt-092 06:42, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Stun grenades
Personal experience in CQB situations has shown me that stun grenades provide their direct effects of blindness and severe disorientation anywhere from 5-15 seconds; secondary effects range from short-term nausea and minor loss of balance that last a few minutes. MarinesNeverDie 03:46, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

M4A1 bend
When you're aiming down the sights and aim from left to right, on some guns the sights sort of bend in the direction you're aiming until you stop. Some variations of the M4A1 have none of this aim bend, like the ACR, which makes it easy to track targets. Other variations have the aim bend and block off your target as you're tracking them. Does that kinda make sense?

Australian
lets try and make the australian special air service page as best as possible. And are you a Aussie, i am.Yeshwa1 06:37, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Yeshwa1
Done Deal. Creat an info soldier box toYeshwa1 09:57, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

My bad dude...
O shit dude, my bad, I accidentally posted a talk response on your use page, but I deleted it. Sorry 'bout that. MarinesNeverDie 20:52, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ammunition deletion
Callofduty4 and Saint have both said ammunition page are supposed to be there and can stay. Peter Griffen Boy 14:02, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

ROOK IS DEAD!
Okay, if you get shot in the head, and brain gore goes all over the car and you slump over, you're dead, his gore and brain matter is everywhere, no way, even with the best surgery that he can be living. He's dead, not wounded, dead. Peter Griffen Boy 17:13, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

You keep on changing it to WIA, when he's dead. Really stop doing this. Peter Griffen Boy 18:07, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

It said that you had changed it from KIA to WIA. I thought you would have rather removed the code. Somehow it screwed with it, but I did it again and nothing happened. Anyway, I'm the main founder of a group called The Gun Pimpers. Anyone can join, as long as they make good weapons. I would like you to join, but you must make some good weapons first, so if you're instreasted message me back, and I'll tell you more about it. Here's the link to the group http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/User:Peter_Griffen_Boy/The_Gun_Pimpers Peter Griffen Boy 18:13, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

hey Peter Griffen Boy he did not get shot in the head nobody knows where he got shot. Anyway when most Task Force 141 soldiers die their name disappears, but when Rook gets shot his name still appears. TF141-Aussie 03:31, January 21, 2010 (UTC)TF141-Aussie

RE: Country articles and COD:G
If I remember correctly, some Polish soldiers referred to it as "the homeland". Though, I can't say definitively whether or not anyone said that, since I haven't played any Polish missions from Call of Duty 3 in months.

With Australia, only the flag is seen on some Task Force 141 members' shoulders (am I correct?), so I was going to delete it, but I, again, could not definitively remember whether or not that's all there was to the country being featured or mentioned in the game. Having it stay up for a bit longer wouldn't really cause any damage, so I left it there for the time being. 01:58, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * According to the policy, yes we would. And yes, the policy is vague. I've left a War Room thread open for over two months to discuss changes and wording for it and another policy, and since then, jack squat was discussed.
 * But do I think we should have an article on New York if someone said a quote like you described? Eh, not really. We could say it was a state in the North-Eastern end of the United States, home to New York City, and that someone referred to it as smelly. That's a big spectrum for such a small reference, if you ask me. However, if someone said something like "This place is as smelly as it was when I lived in Queens", that, one, narrows the actual location down to a far more specific point; two, shows that the said character lived there; and three, it's apparently smelly. Besides that, we could say that it was a burough of New York City, was in New York, and possibly post a general population estimate level in regards to when the quote was said. If there was an article on Queens and the quote you described was said as well, we could add that such-and-such character also said it was smelly.
 * The difference between having an article on New York and having an article on Poland is that Poland was actually a playable faction and named participant in World War II. New York was, well, not. The United States was the combatant that New York was a part of. And this raises another question: if the United States was never specifically named in any game, would we then not have an article on them? I would sure hope not.
 * Granularity is best a premise and idea than a policy—it's the idea that if you aren't going to make an article on something, wait and let someone else do it. And if it's not that great now, either help it be better or let it stay. However, human beings are keen to bending premises to their own desires if it's not set in stone, which is why we need it to be an actual policy.
 * We are the Call of Duty Wiki. Our job is to create an encyclopedia on the Call of Duty franchise—not the vague generalizations, but all the nooks and crannies; enough that someone who had no idea what Call of Duty is can come here, theoretically read our whole site, and know everything there is to know.
 * The thing I think people often don't get is that we're not just here to document multiplayer, or just document Modern Warfare ' s plot, or just the games from a programmer's point of view. No. Hell no! We're here to go in-universe and tell the story of those who fought in the battles that happened in all the detail that we can.
 * Halopedia is quite respectable in this manner. I do not know of a single character in the Halo universe that they don't have a page for. Crone. Branley. Waller. Stacker. "Snaky" Jones. Thomas P. Porter. Flipyap. Et cetera.
 * As an encyclopedia, we are far from finished. We have lots still to do, and granularity keeps people from shrugging off making more articles because 'it would be too hard'. While I strongly wish it wasn't so, most of the users here are far below the bar that I would like them to meet when it comes to community discussion and involvement. You've said something like 'on Wikipedia, we actually discuss instead of taking polls', correct? Wikipedia is blessed with scores of people who know how wiki politics should be run, while we obviously aren't. Probably more than half of the time when I've started topics and asked for discussion on changes and improvements on an idea or page, people just say "it's good" and barely actually contribute—pretty much how the granularity policy came about.
 * If you want, you could always add to that conversation about the policy and bump it. Sooo... what would you recommend in terms of making it a better-worded policy? 06:36, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Douglas MacArthur has his own article? Okay, that's definitely stretching it.
 * Copying articles from Wikipedia has always been and always will be discouraged. For example, this was quite a farce. By no means do we even attempt to go that in-depth about his life because someone mentioned him, and especially when it entails taking someone else's work. I agree that some sort of written and determined edge of scope would help.
 * An point was made about extent of what we cover (was it by you? Heh, I have no idea who made it) in which if the brand of cigar Captain Price smoked was specified, would we make an article it? If it was fictional, I would see no reason not to. If it was a real brand, like Camel, I would see no reason not to include it in his article, but it having its own article would be half-pointless. Not much to say without including completely irrelevant information.
 * I completely see where you are coming from with your points about not including every detail on the real world. One thing as a community we have no real consideration for is whether or not we are a self-sufficient wiki in which if there is a reason to link to it, we have our own article on it. Do I think we should we be completely self-sufficient? No, it's just not practical by any means and we can get insanely off-track really fast.
 * I do not, though, think we should completely rely on other sites for half of our information. You know, we should land somewhere in the middle—and as how I see it, all fictional elements of the series should be well documented, and real things that are featured [except New York :P] should be documented as well.
 * Okay, here's some discussion fodder: While you do not think we should have an article on Poland, what about Pankow, Germany, Battle of Piano Lupo, and the Vietnam War? Pankow is a specific place where a whole level is featured, Vietnam is going to have it's own game, and I actually have no idea if any sort of skirmish or battle happened in the area the Battle of Piano Lupo happened in. Or, going even further, what about having articles on Norman Delaney and Glenn Hawkins's fathers? (Ignore the fact that they don't actually have articles, heh.) They're definitely fictional—no way are we going to link to Wikipedia—, and they're both, by all means, characters within the series.
 * Going even further out there, what about Alvin Bloomfield's many siblings, Joe DiMaggio (the baseball player the game states he was a big fan of), his mentioned girlfiend, his girlfriend's father and the shoe store Alvin used to work at? And what about Alvin's dad and the burough of the Bronx where Alvin grew up? (In case you haven't played Call of Duty 2: Big Red One, all of those topics I mentioned are things discussed at one point in the game or another.)
 * With his siblings, there's not much we can say. He had siblings. They're Jewish. That's all we know.
 * With his dad, we know he makes "the best pastrami sandwiches you'll ever eat", and that he fathered many children.
 * Joe DiMaggio... ... ...all we can take from the game is that he played baseball in the late '30s and early '40s and that Alvin skipped school to watch him, which we could infer from that he played in New York City or the surrounding area. We would probably be better off linking to a Wikipedia article on him.
 * Not sure if you know, but we even have a brief article on Saving Private Ryan because of how many references there have been to it within the series. 05:59, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

I just wanted to say that
of all of the other editors on the wiki, you may be the only person I have ever encountered who rivals my written abilities. Bravo. Also, if your name is actually Scott, then there's another thing we have in common. No, I'm not playing a political game or trying to be weird, it's just that I am compelled to compliment excellency as much as I am compelled to insult stupidity, but unfortunately the latter tends to be a bit more common. Now a strange combination of curiosity and arrogance forces me to be a douche and ask if you can compete with my SAT scores which are 750 Math, 750 Critical Reading, and 740 Writing (all in one sitting, my second one, with no studying whatsoever). My first time (two months prior, once again without studying) was 740 Math, 630 Critical Reading (lol), and 680 Writing. Imrlybord7 08:15, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh damn. I'm 17 and a senior in high school. I think it's pretty awesome when teachers are gamers. Do you ever talk to your students about it? Imrlybord7 12:53, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Granularity, country articles, and others.
Actually, I'm completely with you on this. I don't fully agree with the Granularity policy as it is now. I just plain forgot about the article on Pripyat. In that case, the Ukraine article really should be deleted. However, I'd advise adding the template and bringing it up in AfD, instead of just the speedy deletion. You can do the same with Australia, but I for one think that, since some members of TF 141 are Australian, Australia deserves an article. Sure, it has very little as far as CoD goes now, but every wiki is an ongoing project, constantly being improved upon. You are right though, something needs to be done to the Granularity policy so that we know where it cuts off. An article on Europe would be...understandable, but Earth all the way up to the Milky Way is of course going to far. But wait! The Milky Way is in the Universe! So, we have to have an article on the Universe. And since we have an article on the Universe, we should have an article for everything in that Universe. And there's where we become Wikipedia.

On another note, I saw you told Imrlybord that you are a high school teacher. That's awesome. I'm actually considering becoming a teacher myself. Social studies, mainly, crime and U.S. History and all that. 21:58, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's a great idea. You should bring it up in the War Room.  Start a new topic, I'm sure you know how things work.  The wiki is lucky to have someone as professional and interested in it's well being as you.  23:56, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Your Comments
Just wanted to know what you meant by me not "standing out from other editors".

Just looking for feedback,

--  T    C    E   05:57, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

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Okay, I think those are some valid points - however, to stand out, one must do something, yes? And even still, you can stand out among the people you talk with, just by being friendly and helpful with them.

Take any political leader, for example. If nobody voted for them because they had never "stood out", nobody would ever get elected.

Just my thoughts,

---  T    C    E   06:18, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I guess I'm trying to say that by saying that someone isn't applicable for a high-ranking position just because they don't "stand out" is a little off, in my mind.

I guess I'll be a little more specific. Let's look at Obama. Now, this doesn't mean I like Obama, nor does it mean I don't like him, he's just an example. I also know that you live in Australia and might not understand this fully. But anyway, he came out of nowhere. He never really stood out, until he started running for president. Oh well, I guess what I'm trying to say is that the act of trying to stand out (or in my case, being nominated to stand out) is basically, standing out.

I don't think I made much sense. Oh well.

--  T    C    E   06:42, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

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Hmm, maybe I am. If only I had more mainspace edits.

--  T    C    E   07:42, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Move request: Carentan
If I can recall correctly, it's listed as "Carentan, France" in Call of Duty 2. I'll check later tonight. 06:51, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, in-game (for Call of Duty 2 at least) it has the comma and all. 07:05, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

And to my opposition...
I just wanted to let you know that I will try my hardest to earn whatever trust you may be lacking in me. I won't let you down. Imrlybord7 19:20, February 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. That really means a lot coming from you. Imrlybord7 02:44, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Granularity
I strongly support your position. It's getting a bit ridiculous. Imrlybord7 07:05, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what I have to add to it besides the fact that I'm a sysop. I mean, that page of yours is brilliantly written and easily understandable. I could certainly help bring it to people's attention, though. Imrlybord7 07:14, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

I've just added my opinions. Hope it helps. And I will definitely work towards getting this matter some real publicity on the wiki. Imrlybord7 07:25, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hopefully you will appreciate this.
http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Chiafriend12#The_philosophy_of_adminship Imrlybord7 14:11, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

The thing is
A lot of people are opposing and support because of two reasons. I've seent his, "Yes, he's not in Modern Warfare 2" or "No, I cannot support because he is in Modern Warfare 2" Just because an article is in one game or another doesn't mean it's any better (we only let this go bye for Game Articles, and thosae are featured in December most of the time). As you can see saying "Yes I would like to nominate grenade launcher cause I use it for the lolz." Would go through, by the Support as Nominator would not, as the reason is purely silly and idoitic.

RFA
Thank you for supporting me, it really means a lot.

Sorry.
I'm not fluent in nerd. My geek is decent, but my jargon English is my best english.

The changes to the Russo-American War page
I have made an attempt to generalize the war and fit some parts to not focus so directly on Ramirez's squad. Please tell me what you think. Icepac K s 13:35, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, good to know. Let me know when you make it. <font face="Segoe Print">Icepac <font face="Segoe UI">K <font face="Segoe Script">s 22:53, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

I completely understand where you are coming from,
but honestly, he flipped out on me for the stupidest reasons. Not to mention that I actually trusted him to behave and contribute constructively for quite a while. Although it may not exactly be impartial for me to be the one to institute the block, I can't imagine any other administrators objecting to my decision. I'm sorry if I've disappointed you in any way, but I stand by what I did and do not feel that it reflects poorly on anyone but PGB. Although I am supposed to maintain a high degree of professionalism as an admin, I am only human, and I do have a breaking point. I would say that it is more than high enough to make me perfectly competent in all but the most extreme situations, and I still wouldn't call a slight temper flare incompetence. But yeah, he pushed my envelope and got what he deserved as a result. Please keep in mind that he was also mouthing off to Juan quite intensely. This wasn't an isolated incident that led to me flipping out and blocking him. It had been building up to that point all day, and unfortunately I was naive enough to expect him to get back in line before it came to that. If I had known that things would continue as they did, I would have issued a very short cool down block or gotten another administrator involved. Imrlybord7 06:22, March 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, I apologize if this comes across as brusque, but I don't exactly need a shrink. Don't get me wrong, I have a deep respect for your professionalism and intelligence and would make you a bureaucrat in a second if I could, but right now you are a regular user. You have made your point. It's not like I've been sitting here proclaiming total innocence; that's the whole reason that I only blocked him for two weeks. Darkman suggested perma-banning him. So hell, I was probably more lenient on him than some admins would have been. Imrlybord7 06:57, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Game names and headings
I noticed your post on the name of the game War Room discussion topic, and I'd like to inform you that there is, actually, a way to change the article headings and the way it shows up at the top of the screen, without changing the actual name of the article. For example, I could make my userpage say something other than "User:Icepacks", but have User:Icepacks still link to it, without redirects. Since it is possible, do you think we should edit all of the game name pages to be like this? <font face="Segoe Print">Icepac <font face="Segoe UI">K <font face="Segoe Script">s 00:36, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've put the overall question about this specific addition in that War Room topic. <font face="Segoe Print">Icepac <font face="Segoe UI">K <font face="Segoe Script">s 00:42, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Let's do it.
Imrlybord7 16:12, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Although I completely agree with you,
it isn't worth getting into an argument with PGB over (although I would expect you to simply end the conversation if it got to that point). What I'm trying to say is that you aren't going to change his mind, and seeing as how Griever is 19 and 1, which is the most successful RFA in this wiki's history, it really doesn't matter. Imrlybord7 06:54, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Griever's RFA is actually I believe 21-1-1 so even more so, also the information COD4 presented was a complaint about PGB's block from PGB saying that he was the victim.  Darthkenobi0 [[Image: lightsaber.jpg|25px]]BlogTalkContributions 02:53, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Darn Sorry
I keep forgeting to put my signature on lately...Dolten 13:55, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll try and remember it this time.Dolten 14:03, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Re:COD:G
Ok, I've had my say. Thanks for letting me know of the discussion. You have permission from me to close it whenever you wish. 14:51, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm extremely busy with real life stuff at the moment, but I'll try and look it over. For the most part I agree with your views on the situation, but I'm not really a fan of COD:G at all, because I don't care for all-encompassing rules.  I prefer to work on a case-by-case basis.  17:42, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've already posted my views. But yeah, to be honest, the idea of throwing it out and working on a case by case basis per Saint never occurred to me. That's a great idea. We don't need a policy on this; admins should be trusted to use their own discretion when deciding whether or not a page should be kept. If disagreements occur, we should just bring it up in the AfD page. Imrlybord7 17:49, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I hope...
I hope you don't get the feeling I don't like you, because I do like you. I think you are a highly skilled and highly intelligent editor. I realize I sometimes do not accept your comments which isn't good. Your comments are always well written and intelligent. You're a worthy member of the Call of Duty Wiki, and I expect you already know that. 00:00, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Closing Discussion on COD:G
Aww, my scrawny little sentence wasn't enough? 02:58, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * :D . 03:06, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

My Bad
Sorry bout that, I'm never very good at distinguishing "the line" and when I may have crossed it. Also according to my browser, there was no text beneath my unfunny edit... Apologies again. The-Dreamcaster 10:45, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

My RFA
Thank you for your comment in my RFA. I need to know what I am missing and it seems to be community involvement. Again, thanks=) <font color="GREEN">E.TALE <font color="GREEN">Barracks 19:53, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hi
I haven't seen you edit in a while. Maybe because I'm never on at the same time as you, or I'm just very unobservant. <font style="background:black"> Lt. Dunn  Talk  17:33, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

You should get your signature modified. <font style="background:black"> Lt. Dunn  Talk  17:36, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. I think you and Imrlybord7 are the only more senior editors without a custom signature. <font style="background:black"> Lt. Dunn  Talk  17:40, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

You have been here for almost 5 months, You joined in November and it is April. <font style="background:black"> Lt. Dunn  Talk  17:43, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's true. Most of the more senior editors have been here for at least a year. <font style="background:black"> Lt. Dunn  Talk  17:54, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Signature policy
Do we even have a project page on signatures? If we don't already, you could create it, put the related information in and try to have final vote or just put it into effect since the issue has been up for half-a-year with, as far as I remember, no one saying it wasn't an issue that needed addressing and management. There never was much of any vote, but discussion-wise it was a consensus. 03:47, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Either one person writes up a policy and proposes it or proposes something and then writes a policy based around what was agreed upon.
 * Would you prefer that I write it if it made you feel better? 04:25, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Aww, you're no newbie in my heart <3. But, yes, you could just write up a draft, make it into a project page, have a final vote on it and it would go into effect if passed. 04:34, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re : Signature
Is this better?<font style="background:black"> Your EMP is ready, The Man Of Iron! 08:24, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

RE : Try to remeber...
Yeah. I try but to tell the truth my memory is terrible. I can forget the simplest things.<font style="background:black"> Your EMP is ready, The Man Of Iron! 11:39, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

RE: RFB
http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Call_of_Duty_Wiki:Requests_for_Adminship/Archive_3#Imrlybord7

Please read my closing comment. Imrlybord7 19:13, April 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. You have no idea how much that means coming from you. Imrlybord7 19:23, April 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I never said that time doesn't matter, you're now presuming that my intended message was such. If you read my comments I was simply stating that the actual time of his election has little to do with his effectiveness as a sysop. You're taking my words and rationalizing them into something completely ridiculous and I am insulted.  Darthkenobi0 Talk 21:43, April 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you don't understand what I said then you obviously didn't read what I said. I very clearly stated that his amount of time as an actual sysop has little to do with his effectiveness as a sysop. Just because someone is new to office does not mean he cannot effectively hold that office. If after that you still need clarification I doubt that you are in fact a teacher, and I doubt that I could ever help you to understand what I am saying.  Darthkenobi0 Talk 05:45, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Whatever you say. Bye.  Darthkenobi0 Talk 06:45, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

RE: RfA "nominations"
I wouldn't call it "against the spirit of the wiki"; I'd just call it bad form. Having someone else nominate you is something many users wish to have happen if that person would have supported anyway and having them be the person to start the discussion could help it go along. Nominating soeone else without their knowledge, on the other hand, can easily sway from being a nice surprise to an absolutely annoying surprise. Users should really ask others they want to nominate if they even want the nomination, after which they should be plenty able to submit such a nomination if the potential nominee wants it. 03:34, April 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Could you make a statement on the RfA project page that outlines this? --Scottie theNerd 05:02, April 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * For the record, when I nominated both Griever and EightOhEight it was with their permission in cases where I asked them, they did not ask me. So users don't always ask for nominations.  Darthkenobi0 Talk 05:07, April 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I did not mean any disrespect, I was just stating the circumstances of the nominations I made.  18:01, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

On Another Note
I wish to apologize for acting like a "dick" earlier, I was just being defensive and did not mean any insult or disrespect upon yourself Scottie. I hope you accept my apology. Sincerely. 18:01, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Raptor
Very well. You kids are gonna be the death of me. Imrlybord7 05:17, April 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Power Rangers? In my Call of Duty Wiki? I never thought I'd see the day. But it's always nice to keep up the cultural diversity, ya know? Imrlybord7 05:21, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Power Rangers? Pfft, I think that Darkman is secretly a Transformer. -- EightOhEight.png T    C     E  07:46, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing up the page regarding the AUG, i misread the Wikipedia.org page.

Regarding the Austeyr, it orignally said AUS Steyr which was incorrect alltogether.

Cheers,

Josh (xCTW Elite)  06:50, April 7, 2010 (UTC)