Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops/Archive 10

The date is confirmed as the cold war era(1945-1960). They also confirmed that player customization is going to be way more then MW2 or any other call of duty.

PPSH-41 confirmed on DS version of Black Ops
http://ds.ign.com/articles/110/1108711p1.html

In this link, a screenshot of the DS version of Black Ops showed the PPSH-41, as well as what appeared to be a PPS-43 in the player's inventory:



Not sure if these weapons should be added to the DS section of the Black Ops Page, or under the weapons page.

Play2often 19:06, July 30, 2010 (UTC) Play2often

MP5K?
Wouldn't it be just an MP5 prototype, considering the MP5k is just a version ofthe MP5? Cpl.  Ross  21:55, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * No. It looks almost exactly like the MP5K, but with a different grip. 22:37, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

It looks like the MP5K, but upon closer examination, you can see that that is actually a folded stock. It has to be a prototype, because that was never actually made. The folded stock could have been used as a grip, but its actually not. Agreon 15:38, July 12, 2010 (UTC) Agreon

New G11 and China Lake Pump Action.
Thanks to who helped, Like Hax, Dolten, and more who was on the talk page of the weapons, As I have a feeling that the new G11 in the game, is gonna be sweet, 50 or 45 rounds, as for a assault rifle, and the China lake Pump action, I heard Lamia talk about it was on theb Commando in Payback, as I stated in Archive 9, last comment. Gsgt. Trayvin 13:11, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thank your Dolten for Making the China Lake Pump Action, As it may have been major editted like the G11 Prototype Page I made.
 * Both pages have been deleted. Darkman 4 15:47, July 6, 2010 (UTC

.... Gsgt. Trayvin 21:23, July 6, 2010 (UTC) Why?Soldier of the Wasteland 18:24, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Please do not make any pages regarding the Call of Duty: Black Ops weapons that have not been seen in in-game footage. There is no point in making a page about a gun that we don't even have an in-game screenshot for." Darkman 4 18:25, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the quote is even on the top of the Wiki. --Tbsoldier sig.pngSoldier 18:27, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was the one that put that quot there. :o Darkman 4 18:29, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * But people still don't see it. And plus its over there the whole time. --Tbsoldier sig.pngSoldier 18:30, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

China Lake bevestiging

 * Will come the titles and emblems back from modern warfare 2 to black ops????????
 * bye
 * bye

Campaign section with expansion template banner
Hey guys,

I am not really sure why "One of our forward unit pages is pinned down and needs expansion!" I do not really see how that section can be expanded, as it only covers the different levels/missions in the game that we currently know about. As there are not that many levels, we cannot expand upon it. I cannot see any point having the template; if there was more info that would need to be added then sure, but otherwise, no.

Attack Rhino (Talk - Contributions)01:39, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * ATM I don't see how the page needs to be "expanded" period. I'd say we have all the info that's out there right now. Darkman 4 01:51, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, so that template banner thing should then be taken down. Attack Rhino (Talk - Contributions)13:55, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Quote

 * "Mason, you fight like old Dimitri..."

When was this said? . 04:45, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

I got the same question. And, DUDE, Reznov can't say Dimitri is old FFS. BRX 16:24, July 7, 2010 (UTC)BRX

I am removing all referance of this quote until proof is found.

Maybe he [Reznov] didn't mean it as old Demitri but rather as ole Demitri? Just a thought.. El Jellyfisho 20:17, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

What he meant was Mason fought like Dimitri, meaning he is the New Dimitri. if you know what i mean. Dempsy115 20:34, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

OMFG Dimitri is dead

He sees him as a war hero, just as Reznov did Dimitri. Or maybe he means he has lots of close encounters. And, it may be an easter egg thing. Reznov doesn't have to say it, just whoever your commanding officer is, even though no one is going to know Dimitri as he is just another name on the Russian front to everyone else. So, its just an easter egg to mean that you are amazing, or get hurt and live a lot, even though Reznov and Dimitri are both long dead. Agreon 15:34, July 12, 2010 (UTC)Agreon


 * Reznov ain't dead in Black Ops. As you see [[File:Reznov 7.jpg]] he's chillin' in the tunnel. BRX 14:56, July 13, 2010 (UTC)BRX
 * I don't want to sound like the desperate kids but do you think dimitri will be in black ops? Warpanda13 15:04, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no reason that he doesn't come back, but dudes from Treyarch said that Reznov is coming back. They would probably say it for Dimitri too if he would be coming back. BRX 11:37, July 14, 2010 (UTC)BRX

Co-Op Campaign
So what we know is that the co-op campaign will be entirely seperate from the SP campaign, but in an interview when asked about the zombie mode someone from Treyarch said (and I quote) "We cannot talk about the Co-op campaign at this time". Now this leads me to the rather obvious conclusion that the co-op campaign is a zombie campaign. If anybody could help me with the citing that would be great. El Jellyfisho 20:40, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless somebody from Treyarch outright says "the coop mode will be the zombie mode" we are not adding it. This page has been protected just to remove speculation, which is what your comment is. Darkman 4 02:51, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * aww man i loved the co op campaign in WAW Emblem-abrams.jpg textsigsoap.gif

Yeah, but it would be cooler if they create something new and better. I loved the first CoD, but I wouldn't like it realesed again. :) BRX 08:49, July 8, 2010 (UTC)BRX

""We cannot talk about the Co-op campaign at this time". Now this leads me to the rather obvious conclusion that the co-op campaign is a zombie campaign." YEH nice logic there --Ashwilso12 17:45, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

On the back of the black ops poster, it gives a phone number, when you call it, it plays the mystery box song. Codfan 21:55, July 9, 2010 (UTC)Codfan


 * It plays a bundle of jingles mixed in with morse code that sounds nothing like the mystery box. 18:38, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Gameplay Videos
How come no one has put in the gameplay video of WMD. Hunter Steven 06:54, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Noticed that too. 07:15, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Modding/Hacking.
Man, I hope they add some sort of anti-cheat system like Valve's VAC system to stop all those modders and hackers that MW2 suffers from. Ouroboros Omega 17:09, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe treyarch won't be stupid enough to leave unfinished code (eg IW's gold desert eagle), and if there are grenade launchers, I will NOT buy the game. Cpl.  Ross  21:58, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

There will probably be a 99.9% chance of launchers being in multiplayer. What Treyarch can do however is make it so they only come with one shot and cannot be equiped along side danger close or fire works. 22:07, July 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * And that they are unlocked last as an attachment. BRX 23:32, July 9, 2010 (UTC)BRX
 * i think they should decrease the damage of the granade launcher and remove the ability to have a direct impact. remi305
 * I think we can be certain that grenade launchers will return in multiplayer, still have two shots etc etc and i would safely say you would be able to use a dangerclose type perk with it, other wise it would be useless as a perk. i guess treyarch will make it so you cant replenish them at all (i.e oma or scavenger type perks) and probs will be the last unlocked attachment, like in WaW --Ashwilso12 09:15, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we can be certain that grenade launchers will return in multiplayer, still have two shots etc etc and i would safely say you would be able to use a dangerclose type perk with it, other wise it would be useless as a perk. i guess treyarch will make it so you cant replenish them at all (i.e oma or scavenger type perks) and probs will be the last unlocked attachment, like in WaW --Ashwilso12 09:15, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we can be certain that grenade launchers will return in multiplayer, still have two shots etc etc and i would safely say you would be able to use a dangerclose type perk with it, other wise it would be useless as a perk. i guess treyarch will make it so you cant replenish them at all (i.e oma or scavenger type perks) and probs will be the last unlocked attachment, like in WaW --Ashwilso12 09:15, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Nah, they should leave its stats as they are but make it so that more grenades cannot be obtained (e.g. Scavenger), it should be the last attachment unlocked (it should be hard like trying to get the extended magazines upgrade in MW2) and the grenades should detonate automatically after a set distance (auto detonation shouldnt be as powerful as impact detonation for balance reasons or a new breed of grenade spamming may be born) either that or the grenades should cease to function after a set distance so they wont even explode or impact upon someone when they land (to prevent long-range spamming like on Wasteland on MW2). The most primrary concern I have though is things like 10th prestige hackers, rapid-fire button users and all of the other mods/hacks (like the one in MW2 that makes you move really fast backwards) Agreed? Ouroboros Omega 14:58, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the damage of the grenade launcher should be increased, and it should be the last attachment to unlock, it'd be good if it took something like 1000 kills to unlock, too. 18:38, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * GUY ABOVE ME: I totaly agree with that so experienced playes can haz break whal NOOBZ have to WORK
 * There are dedicated servers in BO. So, there won't be hacked-without-alert servers. Servers will be like in CoD4/CoD5. On Xbox/PS3 hacking is unfixable. SiPlus 12:20, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

In WaW they were the last attatchment unlocked, and it actually worked out fairly well. I think they should be a bit less readily availible because currently the reason they are so "nooby" as I see it is that you have an explosive you can fire almost as readily as a bullet, and that sets it apart from other launchers. So maybe making it behave more like a regular launcher would get rid of most of its problenms? Seijana 23:04, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

3 questions about the Demo
1st. On the demo's, stage or another demo, When he gets to a weapon like a Ak-47, it's buttstock and the other wood parts are coloured.

2nd. When your entering a cave, about to take the hind, but when your in the cave, you see bodies ripped in half, but the question is, when swift gets stabbed, adn you walk in a big place with Viet Cong fighters, they shoot you, and you pretty much die, And do you not play with the same guy in Payback?

3rd: Pause at 1:29 on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGAfhNbfphk&feature=related, it is slowed down, who is that guy? is it a ghost? a zombie? a general? what? Gsgt. Trayvin 17:15, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * 2nd: I think you CAN kill the Viet Cong in that big place. It looks like there is just 2 of them, but Mark Lamia screwed it up while he was playing. He also almost died in Payback before entering the Hind.
 * 3rd: I saw some other analysis where they say more of these characters were shown (like these dudes |here said at 4:00) and that they are from Create a Class 2.0. BRX 20:25, July 10, 2010 (UTC)BRX

_ _ _ _
 * 1) That isn't even a question, it's just an observation. But yes, it is indeed an AK-47. The name appears when he walks over it. It is not some other AK variant.
 * 2) You don't die, the guy playing just sucks. You still play as the same guy.
 * 3) Hard to tell. I'm not going to make any assumptions. Imrlybord7 20:32, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, just replying to the 3rd question. I believe that this will be the HUD in the Create A Class 2.0 system where you can customise your MP character. This is supported in this IGN video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=292tCSCvFQY&feature=related at 3:57 minutes Tom LV69 09:24, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Imrlybord7, it's a WASR-2. Just because it says it's an AK-47 doesn't mean it is one. 92.27.77.163 23:00, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, shut up. BRX 20:17, July 21, 2010 (UTC)BRX

1. Yeah, That might be changed. But it is an AK type weapon

2. You don't die, Mark Lamia isn't all that great at the game. I only saw 1 guy at the end, and I'm sure you, me, Bord, or anyone on this wiki could've taken him.

3. That looks creepy... I don't know what it is.

Talking Characters
It should be noted that thsi is the first Call of Duty game, or atleast the first Treyarch game, where the playable character speaks whilst playing as them. Kranitoko (talk) 21:25, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

That should be featured in the trivia. I think it already is. 21:27, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

You Know in the AC130 misson in COD 4? You can hear yourself talk. Also if you played call of duty 2, in the tank missions, you can hear yourself talk.
 * I fixed your grammar a bit. We don't need lolcat-speak here. Also can you sign your posts please? Freekkiller7 11:57, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Im sorry, Thanks and i will make an account now.69.207.147.154 23:23, July 13, 2010 (UTC) Person with no account

Uh you do know the Nazi Zombie characters talk right Pillsbury810   19:03, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Playble characters
Can i play with Major Badanov in the game?

Playble characters
hudson and mason are 2 confirmed characters -???

Don't forget about Thomas GunsSwordsFlames 20:48, July 30, 2010 (UTC)GunsSwordsFlames

Can i play with Major Badanov in the game? :)
no BRX 14:31, July 13, 2010 (UTC)BRX But if you click on Thomas link, someone wrote that Major Thomas and Major Badanov are the highest ranked playble players.Sgt.Salvator:NCR Rangers 16:14, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but the highest ranked playable characters in the Call of Duty SERIES. Major Badanov is from Finest Hour. BRX 21:56, July 13, 2010 (UTC)BRX

DVK
I was just reading a thread on the Treyarch forums that was stating that DVK (Damage View Kick) should be removed from the game so that instead of your screen and your sights jumping when you are shot (e.g. MW2), just the screen would jump to let you know that you have been hit (+bloody screen effect + damage indicator) but your gun will not be affected by a sudden jump when ADS (e.g. COD4:MW) and thus this would correct some of the imbalance issues caused by DVK. I would have posted this on the discussion page for MW2 but one of posts in the thread was by Vahn (cant remember his full name or his position but his account had employee ID) who stated that DVK was going to be used in COD:BO. DVK was meant to help low-skill players but has simply resulted in most fights coming down to who shoots first and whose gun has less recoil (The ACR causes lots of DVK due to its high rate of fire and low recoil thus resulting in constant view jumps). At any rate I just thought that I should pass this along so that people can have a chance to object or applaud this decision.

BTW I am against DVK but to each their own right?

Link: http://www.callofduty.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=244798&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=082cdaf0957eb75f5bc97680c815e582

Also, just a quick heads up if you use the link, beware of the posts by a guy named Vileself, He is a blatant troll who has been banned from the IW forums and he posts alot in the thread.

Anyone else have anything to say on this subject? Ouroboros Omega 23:39, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

You know they could just remove DVK but keep the screen jump and just add directional damage indicators so that the screen jumps to notify you of taking a hit and you know which direction you have been shot at from but your aim isnt thrown off so a counter-attack becomes possible like in COD4. DVK is the reason why so many have trouble hardscoping or using SMGs. Ouroboros Omega 23:28, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I partially agree, but imagine that you got a silenced weapon and shoot a camper with a sniper. He could easily kill you. I'm not really sure what should they do. BRX 11:14, July 14, 2010 (UTC)BRX

IrEpicWinnur 12:48, July 15, 2010 (UTC)New box artIrEpicWinnur 12:48, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
i found this at xbox.com,comments?

should the box art be added?

That box art has been around for a while. You can see it at the end of the uncut trailer that says, "Pre-order now for xbox." 20:51, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

M16A1
I don't have a link for the page, but if you go to BlackOpsnews.com and click on Weapons, then Assault Rifles, the M16A1 is listed at the bottom of the page.

17:01, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Link - http://www.codblackopsnews.com/weapons/assault-rifles/ 00:31, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * That site is truly awful. I find it notably funny that they merged their 'News' and 'Speculation' pages together now. --Ashwilso12 09:16, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

All of the guns shown there have screenshots from trailers. Except the M16, which does not have a picture from black ops. Bumblebeeprime09 22:24, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's been highly speculated that the M16 is one of the guns on the person in the cover's back, and that's why it's been added there. Also, I find it notably funny that you call the site awful without anything to back that statement up other than the fact that they removed the Speculation section so that all News would be in one feed. F Brushfire 22:43, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the gun has not been seen in-game. But the evidence points to it being a likely inclusion. It has been seen in promo material, such as the magazine cover used in the sites listing. Also, the M16 was basically the gun of the Vietnam War. I would be very surprised if it did not appear in the game. And by all means, DO NOT disrespect the CBON community. It is a great site with great people who care about the game, and there is nothing wrong with that. Peace! Mike1094 00:00, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Ed here (aka CoDBlackOpsNews admin) - good to hear all the positive feedback! Seriously though, we included M16A1 because it was seen on a Spanish magazine cover before Black Ops was announced, and also on the French OXM cover when that was announced. (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/callofduty7magazinecove.jpg/ and http://img835.imageshack.us/i/oxmfr.jpg/ )

Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean about merging the News and Speculation - do you mean on the main page or in terms of weapons? I agree that the website still definitely needs improvements, and although a lack of time dictates that I can't make all the improvements I'd like as quickly as I like, I'm always trying to improve.

Anyway, I said on our forums: "In my opinion, we're not competing with CoD Wiki, they provide hands-down the best factual information on Call of Duty, we try to impart as much as possible to the masses." 86.151.149.81 00:03, July 20, 2010 (UTC) Ed


 * O hai . 00:54, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

M16A1 confirmed in this new vid! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IvvmtQ_FVg Mike1094 23:22, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * "CoD Wiki, they provide hands-down the best factual information" hahah

Bad news everyone... and I mean REALLY bad news.
Activision may press for MP subscription fees.

Link: http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/110/1106742p1.html

So for xbox 360 players like me that means we have to pay for live, buy the game and then pay for a monthly subscription or something to play the MP online.

If Activision follows this guys advice then they really have their heads stuck up non-regulation places. Ouroboros Omega 00:07, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Josh Olin tweeted this as false. Breath easy gentlemen! :D Mike1094 00:10, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Source: http://twitter.com/jd_2020 - Thanks Josh. :P FBrushfire 00:17, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Its false? Oh thank god *sigh of relief* Ouroboros Omega 00:20, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

No shit it's flase. A brain-dead monkey could figure that out.

Don't believe everything you see on the internet folks. 00:24, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

http://pc.ign.com/articles/110/1107019p1.html Over and out. Chief z 00:42, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Would it EVER be any different. 00:46, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

402 even confirmed it was false. . 01:02, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Treyarch smashed thr rumours too. 07:16, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * give it a couple of months, the next game will no doubt be pay to play. cause activision simply dont have enough profit to calm their egos --Ashwilso12 10:49, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * i dont know if they overpice the map packs so heavy and almost everyone buys sure they can claim money for playing online and the most people will buy it. i dont know i think wheres smoke theres also fire i would be cautios and im scared &#91;VsL&#93;GeeDoggy 15:06, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

New footage?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&v=6IvvmtQ_FVg

It's sort of an insight into the creation of Black Ops. Don't know if there's much new stuff in it, but I'm posting it here anyway. Sorry if it's already been mentioned. -- Sentinel 101 18:07, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Great stuff there. Saw an M16 you can also see weapons on the board when they are playing the test mode. Also it seems you will lower the barrel of your gun when pointing at friendlies like in Half-Life.AdvancedRookie 18:20, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Darn you beat me to it. I just learned of all of this:

Anyways, heres some info: http://www.codblackopsnews.com/2010/07/20/new-weapons-confirmed-plus-multiplayer-footage-incoming/

and: http://www.codblackopsnews.com/2010/07/20/confirmed-black-ops-will-not-be-pay-to-play/ 20:04, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Also in the video, there is game footage that has never been seen! It has Woods and another character in a jeep in Vietnam. Woods looks like he's been having a fight with a monster as there's blood, scars, dirt and scratches all over him! 06:10, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think that part would be in an early mission because Woods says welcome to nam which might mean the character just got there.Hunter Steven 08:09, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

nice catch 22:55, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

M16 confirmation
From the video (link in the section above). --Sentinel 101 18:20, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

What do you guys think about this? This is in the Treyarch studios so it could be possible weapons. AdvancedRookie 18:27, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Those guns will probably all be in the game. If you have a good eye, you can see that the guns are actually air soft replicas, which likely indicates Treyarch wanted to experience what it was like holding one of those guns so they can program that into the character model or whatever. 20:22, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have added all of the guns on the wall plus the M16 and references to the page. 20:43, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I garauntee if it really is in game, it will be able to have optics, even though the only versions with a removable stock are the A3 and A4 version. Silly Treyarch! --TheManOfIron 23:24, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Hudson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IvvmtQ_FVg 2:25 Sunglasses dude = HUDSON? I can't see it clearly, but I think it is. BRX 16:54, July 21, 2010 (UTC)BRX

Looks like it says Hudson to me. I'm so glad I can play as a bald dude. ;D FBrushfire 22:56, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

I see an AUG, L85, Skorpion, Mini-uzi, MAC-10/w supppressor, M16A1, AKS-74u, MP5A3, and SPAS. Codfan 00:32, July 22, 2010 (UTC)Codfan

I agree with Codfan. I can't make out what the shot gun is though...

that is an remington 870

The guy at 2:25 is 100% Hudson. I've read the name carefully and i think it's definetly Hudson. Sgt.Frank Woods 23:47, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Woods = Tugg Speedman from Tropic Thunder?
I couldn't resist the urge. XD. 03:25, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Haha, they do look similar.  Munchable901 |TaLk?   03:28, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Same looks, same gun, same tattoo, same status. At least a real hero (even from the movies) comes back in a game. GunsSwordsFlames 05:41, July 22, 2010 (UTC)GunsSwordsFlames

Characters
Bowman needs to be added to the character list. 14:36, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Further M16 confirmation
I found some in game footage with what appears to be the M16A1. Ferrariguy1000 18:43, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Rumors
http://www.codblackopsnews.com/2010/06/13/black-ops-multiplayer-rumors/

So, these rumors came out a while ago and some people were skeptical. However, the recent Airsoft board image has both a Skorpion and an MAC10 on them, both of which are listed as weapons on that page. Would you say that that partially confirms those rumors? Darkman 4 19:24, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Great point. I actually wouldn't doubt the PSG-1 being in-game. And another thing: the ballistic knife was also listed on that page, and I think it was confirmed, right? . 23:07, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's Brushfire. I cba to login. But I also thought this after the new guns were confirmed; I don't think it's fair to say it's definite but they are very plausible now. Seems likely. 81.153.72.151 01:18, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's Brushfire. I cba to login. But I also thought this after the new guns were confirmed; I don't think it's fair to say it's definite but they are very plausible now. Seems likely. 81.153.72.151 01:18, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sonny Puzikas in-game?
OK, in the new footage, Mark Lamia said the Sonny Puzikas would have his own character model (I will include that in the Trivia) and he "makes an appearance in the game". Wonder if he could be an antagonist? . 23:25, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * $10 says he'll be a random troop head model on the Russian side. Darkman 4 02:35, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

^ Probably. 00:50, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Makarov PM or TT-33?
My bet is that the TT-33 will appear as the NVA on Viet Cong sidearm and the Makarov PM would appear for the Soviet forces. Thoughts? . 05:20, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

IT SEEMS BELIEVABLE ENOUGHTheManOfIron

Game winning kill?
Does anybody know if the slo-mo game winning kill will return in BO? i really liked that in S&D

Nope. At least not me.  Munchable901 |TaLk?   01:57, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

No idea...but it should return. Conqueror of all Zombies 02:02, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it should return. Bumblebeeprime09 07:02, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

they should make the game winning bullet

Good Info
This video has alot of information about things like Create-A-Class and single-player. I found it on their Facebook page. Absorr - Just Because 17:58, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Already known.

Background noise
I was watching that "Call of Duty:Black Ops INSIGHT" video for about the millionth time but I noticed something. At around 1:28 in the video, I heard the electricity sound from Verruckt and Der Riese in the background while Josh Olin was talking. You might not be able to hear it with normal speakers but I heard it using earbuds. It's just kind of a small little easter egg in the video I guess. -- Ya I heard the same, but I think it's just edited later because the title of "Josh Olin Community Manager" (look at the electricity at the left).(Ever121 06:44, July 26, 2010 (UTC))

So, what's the stealth going to be like? And Reznov
I've been waiting for legit stealth in COD for a really long time. What I'd really like for it to be is for a stealth indicator to be included (something like in Fallout 3, if you've played it). It would be really awesome. I'd also like for there to be a LOT of stealth missions. Not just a few. So basically what i'm saying is better stealth mechanics and more opportunities to use it. (P.S. Sorry, Alex. I had to remove your signature because it wouldn't let me put the cursor after it.) And, maybe since Reznov is supposed to play a big part in it, maybe a part for Dimitri as well (or at least a freaking cameo), because Dimitri was my favorite soldier you could play as in WaW. Anyone agree?
 * Stealth is okay if its optional, like Metro 2033. I think it would be a bit silly for the game to give you cool stuff like the AUG, but then penalize you for actually using it because you were supposed to be stealthy or whatever. Darkman 4 01:34, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I mean you'd get stealthy weapons like the crossbow, the knife, etc. and have to go through a whole level trying not to alert enemies, and for there to be an equal amount of stealth missions and shooter missions.HoboHunter28 15:45, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Or- even better, multiple approachs to missions. you can choose a assault layout to go in loud or choose more stealthy weapons and try to sneak around. woudl be awesome and make replayability go way up! hope they implement this Ohno21212 23:27, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Crossbow
In the weapon list,shouldn't the crossbow be in 'Other' and not have it's own catagory? It seems a bit pointless. General Geers 00:22, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

No it is possible that there might be more crossbows in the game.Sgt Sprinkles 12:10, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's better that we make its own section when/if another crossbow/bow is confirmed. I mean, we ain't putting knife in cold weaponry BRX 15:44, July 27, 2010 (UTC)BRX
 * You have a point.Sgt Sprinkles 18:03, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * By that logic, shouldn't the flamethrower have it's own section in case there's more than one type of flamethrower? General Geers 06:33, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * There are many flamethowers, but only one is used. This logic same goes to the crossbow as well. GunsSwordsFlames 20:17, July 30, 2010 (UTC)GunsSwordsFlames
 * There are many flamethowers, but only one is used. This logic same goes to the crossbow as well. GunsSwordsFlames 20:17, July 30, 2010 (UTC)GunsSwordsFlames

Militia captain?
On the Black Ops IMDB page, there is a person who is voicing a miltia captain. Chance for any Vietnamese MIlitia? 11:57, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Nintendo DS
A recent IGN article confirms that there will be a stand alone DS tie in that is being developed by n-Space

source: http://ds.ign.com/articles/110/1108711p1.html

(JayPeezey 23:15, July 27, 2010 (UTC))

Very interesting find. With the pics, can we confirm the PPSh-41, PPS-42, & Hush Puppy pistol as comfirmed weapons (at least for the DS)? . 08:03, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Giggity
For any That 70's Show out there, IMDB states that Topher Grace will voice Harris. :D. 08:10, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yay! I love that 70's show! Freekkiller7 10:20, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

M16A1
At the photo it says "M16A1 in Black Ops" but that's probably just some "level" where they put dudes with some moves (like getting off the X). BRX 12:43, July 28, 2010 (UTC)BRX


 * Actually, I'm maybe wrong. BRX 15:24, July 28, 2010 (UTC)BRX

getting off the X?
is there any picture or video of it anywhere? Warpanda13 13:42, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Black Ops DS Confirmed
http://uk.ds.ign.com/articles/110/1108711p1.html

Added info to article. 19:14, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

First Mission of Black Ops?
At the cutscene which starts in 2:20 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IvvmtQ_FVgFrank Woods is telling him about the MAC-V SoG and how it got born which means Mason could be new on the SoG. + There is some kind of landing, as you can see there are tons of troopers getting out of helicopters on the background (Attack on Vietnam?) Sgt.Frank Woods 23:53, July 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Might well be the case, but because it's only speculation at the moment it can't be added to the article. I think you may be correct though, Treyarch don't do "training missions". 00:15, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Saint Lo has some training in it CoD4. No disrespect meant.
 * That video was sweet. the military dude can stand on his head and hes old!!! Warpanda13 16:24, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well they didn't do one for WaW, which was their most recent game. 18:15, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well they didn't do one for WaW, which was their most recent game. 18:15, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

M18 Smoke Grenade
Here is the M18 Smoke Grenade I have discovered..= I have increased the image levels using Adobe Photoshop to see whats hiding in there and just got this...

Green Smoke?nlmgr 15:35, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe..

well i think there is a possibitity it wont be used. Because i think it was in Modern Warfare 2 on a characters body you can see green smoke grenades but you cant use them. Warpanda13 16:23, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Reznov
Hey, I think Reznov is probably going to betray the SOG. Why would a patriot like him join the US, to fight Russians. He is probably working with Kravtencko or whatever his anme is. He is probably going to kill Woods or a main character somewhere in the series. What do you think? Cpt. RileyLet's Talk 17:52, July 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Seems too obvious and "expected" to me. I feel something deeper will happen. 18:15, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who knows. Maybe Reznov is gonna still be a hero and not a betrayer since he is a Treyarch fan favorite GunsSwordsFlamesGunsSwordsFlames 18:20, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * For all we know he could be killed just like roach and ghost.Sgt Sprinkles 19:44, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Black Ops iPod app
I've downloaded the Black Ops iPod application and looked up on the characters section. It includes Woods, Mason, Hudson, Weaver, Swift, Harris, Brooks and Kravtchenko. Turns out that the picture used on Kravtchenko's page is a picture of him!! 20:39, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

The app is not official, is it? If Treyarch made it it wouldn't say "More apps by Jason Bender" at the side. Jason Bender doesn't appear to be an employee of Treyarch. -- 06:43, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

The app is official. 07:48, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * It says the company is "Jason Bender" and if it was official it would say "Treyarch" or "Activision". I wouldn't be surprised if he got all his info (including pictures) from here. 12:58, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

SAS Campaign
It says at the bottom of the page that the "players will be allowed to play as a member of the SAS in a close-quarters mission based off 'Prince's Gate', the terrorist attack on the Iranian embassy in the 1980s." Shouldn't we put the SAS as a faction? Call of Duty games have traditionally had more than one campaign. 2:24, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * It hasn't been confirmed yet so that's why the SAS aren't in the faction section, and London isn't in locations. Hopefully we'll get some solid info soon. --LOST-The Cartographer 06:35, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * a guy at my church was one of the sas in the embassy siege, hes so damn hard --Ashwilso12 08:04, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * If i remeber there were 6 terrorists at the siege so wouldnt this mission be pretty short I know it took a while to get in but after they got in it was over fast.Sgt Sprinkles 12:17, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * The level is probably going to feature a more tactical style of gameplay rather than a run and gun style that we see in most Call of Duty games. 16:42, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's pretty friggin sweet, Ash.--LOST-The Cartographer 01:19, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Juggernaut returning. Who likes this idea?
Honestly I don't like the idea. It seems too over-protecting a bit. At least with Stopping Power, it helps destroy aircrafts and helps with silenced weapons retain it's own damage. GunsSwordsFlames 19:29, July 30, 2010 (UTC)GunsSwordsFlames

Reznov- playable character?
It's odd, and I assume most of you agree, why a very very very patriotic Russian would work for the SOG, an American organization which kills his fellow countryman!

Just my own theory but I suspet they may do a all ghillied up esque mission where the player take control of Reznov and it reveals what happens PaPa SmUrF 10:18, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not hard for someone to change their views about their own country and defect from it. 13:00, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * We get to play with a bald old man who is fighting against his own kind, the same guy who leaded them during the World War 2 era. That sounds sweat!!! GunsSwordsFlames 17:24, July 30, 2010 (UTC)GunsSwordsFlames
 * It's not Reznoz it's Reznov!
 * It's not Reznoz it's Reznov!

Remember he talked about the glorious mother Russia as a whole, not the Communist ideal. --LOST-The Cartographer 01:24, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not odd at all. Many Russians turned against the Soviet government before and after WWII.  Living under a Communistic totalitarian government ain't fun.  I would assume that he got wised up or had some personal bad experience, and joined up with SOG to bring down the Communists.

More Puzzles
http://www.codblackopsnews.com/2010/07/30/treyarch-releases-cryptic-intel/ 20:35, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Prestige and Hardened Editions
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1109455p1.html

We all knew they were coming. Anywho, any thoughts of what the P edition will come with? How can you top night-vision goggles? Chief z 00:00, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * $149 USD for the Prestige edition? ahahaha fuck off. Darkman 4 00:01, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Crazy, isn't it? I should have put "Or justify spending $150." Chief z 00:08, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Akimbo Returning and More than 2 weapons
In the cover, he is holding Akimbo M1911s. On his back, he has two M16A1s on his back. Is it possible to have more than two weapons? Is Akimbo returning? Can assault rifles be Akimbo? So many questions! Please put this on Trivia! Cpt. RileyLet's Talk 06:18, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * its just promo art. They probably did that just to look cool. Darkman 4 06:20, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm agreeing with Darkman here, it's not like MW2 let you hold an M16 one handed, but the poster they had had a guy doing just that. CAW4 06:21, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could akimbo be a perk in black ops instead being an attachment.Sgt Sprinkles 13:44, July 31, 2010 (UTC)