Forum:Image maintenance project

Hello all,

I want to propose for us to kick off an image renaming project. It's as simple as that, a project for users to take part in which consists of simply renaming any misnamed files you can find.

This is going to be over several months, so there is no rush or deadline that we need to be "finished" by.

Why should we do this? There are thousands of files with improper names. Renaming them would greatly improve the organization of our many images.

Currently only admins and custodians can move images (and suppress the redirects, which is important). So any user who is very interested in helping and has a reasonable amount of experience will be given the custodian rights if they do not have them already. We could also make one or two awards for users who contribute greatly to this project. Users can also be added to Sactage's IRC bot's privilege list so that they can use the bot to move/delete images if needed.

So do people want to do this? I think it would be a good group effort which would have noticeable results.

Discuss below please!

00:56, April 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: For the users who currently do not have custodian, and wish to help, add   on the page (The idea was KATANAGOD's). If we decide to go through with this (probably will), this way you can say you have experience when you request custodian rights for the project.  04:31, April 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: If any unused templates are found, please slap sdelete on them. Thanks! 01:11, April 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * hint -- 01:49, April 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: Add sdelete to any unused, low quality, or duplicate images you find as well. 18:02, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'm defiantly doing this. 00:58, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'm also on board. 00:59, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Will do. 01:00, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

I've doing this for the past month, so count me in. 01:07, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Per Kat and Samaloo. 01:09, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

I already do this so ya, i'm cool with it. 01:42, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Even though I'm a nub with codes, I'm in. 01:45, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

A reason to spam recent changes again! start editing again! 01:57, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Would also appreciate if users added speedy delete templates to ALL the unused pages (i.e. templates) so I or somebody else could go through them faster and delete what needs to be deleted. -- 02:07, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hm, do we have any requirement for ppl who join. I wanted too, but I only have one small problem (below 50 MS edits) 02:18, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * There's no edit requirement to help out. 05:24, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

I would like to join pls. If i seem inexperienced and untrustworthy, i will ask any of the other custodians for help. 02:32, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Something I'd like to add. When we're doing this can we ensure 'pages come first'? By this I mean I'm aware some users upload images and put it on their own page, should this be an issue we should worry about the images respected page first, and any sandbox pages after. I was having this issue with some perk images that were uploaded with a bad name, but the sandbox had like 200 images on it, and I didn't want to spend my time updating both the perks page and some users sandbox page after each rename. 04:57, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

I can help out. Spring Break, YES! 06:09, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Count me in. I'll more be able to help on summer holiday, when I don't have anything better to do http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty4s/images/1/19/Untitled-1.png (except a one-month trip to UK, but I'll take my laptop with me). 09:11, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Just so I know, why is it important to suppress redirects when you're moving images? Sgt. S.S. 09:41, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's because the redirect could prevent someone from uploading an image with that name. 09:43, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'll join if you're willing to have me, I know this stuff tbh. 12:29, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yes sir! I think that the amount of images that are named 12345 is ridiculous. Rampantlion513 Wanna Talk? 17:16, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

I wanna help out, so I put my proposal on the TIG requests page, or here? 17:30, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

As a custodian, it would be a bit odd of me not to want to contribute to this project. 17:32, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, AJ'll help. I've already started posting   templates on files. -- 11:20, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

It appears there is a lot of work to do. Great we've finally started doing something with these images. 01:56, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Helping. 17:29, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'll likely be nub and delete a few images in the process by accident, but I'll give it a shot anyway. I need Custodian though.
 * If you need custodian, put your name down below. 23:29, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

A proposition
Assuming we're doing this (since at least I've started already with a few images), I think custodians should be able to edit all pages to be able to replace the filename on blogs, archives and comments. There are plenty of those images, and I think it'd be better to not only let admins take care of them.

The problem some may see is that it'd be too much power. However, a solution could be to take that ability away after the project is considered done, or that custodians must not use the ability to do anything else than replace filenames. What do you think? 10:45, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Since Custodians are supposed to be trusted user, I doubt any of us would try to edit something other than an image on a Blog. To be safe however, is it possible to make an Abuse filter to prevent changing the text, but not the images? It sounds complex I know. 12:33, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know how Wikia would react if we asked them to modify the user group right temporarily. 13:28, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see why they would have any issue with it. 14:14, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * This would be extremely helpful. 15:56, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * There are also some commands on IRC that automatically moves the image, surpresses the redirect, and replaces the image. 16:40, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Sactage and his sexy Cynder. Very simple and saves a great deal of time when renaming. I also support custodians having the power to edit blogs purely for image renames. 17:32, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Idea for additional Project
I had an idea recently of a complete image overhaul project. Similar to other Overhaul Projects we have had previously, it would be a focused effort to clean up the Filespace in numerous ways:


 * 1) Correctly naming and categorising all images.
 * 2) Deleting unused images
 * 3) Correctly naming all videos

Obviously some tasks would need to be done by an administrator (#2), or custodian, but the whole wiki could help in some way. The usual ribbons/awards could be made up and distributed accordingly. Thoughts? 18:37, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm currently doing quite a bit on Deleting unused images, I currently have bot flags assigned and I'm up to 2279 deletions (I'm doing these myself as some images can be saved, they were just lost to time). I'd like to know who is helping in that area as unused images caches at 1000 images a day, so when I load it up and see less than 1000 images I can't tell if it's come down to the last batch or another user has been doing some deletions. I'm also doing some work on 1 and 3 in my off time when I'm not deleting, I think some names we need to nail down, such as all the CoD4 images up are called X pickup game.png as they can have different killfeed icons that will appear on HUD and as such killfeed icons should be called HUD as opposed to pickups. Same with images in galleries, I feel a picture of the first person gun with no attachments is called X game.png whilst the gun in the infobox is something like X menu icon game.png or something similar. 23:07, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm helping with the deletions. 23:52, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * On a side note I feel we should look at the naming on COD:IMAGE I feel it should go like this:
 * [Weapon] [Attachment/SOPMOD, Grenadier, etc.] [Action] [Camo] [3rd person/pick up/HUD/Menu icon] [Game].[file extention]
 * Per some examples:
 * G36C Red Dot Sight MW3.png
 * G36C Red Tiger CoD4.png
 * G36C Iron Sights Red Tiger CoD4.png
 * G36C Dual Mags reload MW3.png
 * G36C Red Dot Sight pickup MW2.png
 * G36C Red Dot Sight Blue Tiger 3rd person MW2.png
 * L86 LSW Grenadier pickup MW2.png
 * If we keep a hierachy like this it should help with keeping a uniform naming across all the images (The names are for example purposes only). 23:17, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I support this hierarchy, as an updated uniform style is needed for COD:IMAGE, which I believe needs an overhaul.

23:37, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * how about same guns and attachments in different games? 23:44, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Accidently left it out, but game abbreviation goes at the end, I'll update it now. 23:49, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hierarchy is perfect. 01:11, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * How soon can we implement it? It'd help if we do it earlier so that it's before most guns are getting renamed. 01:17, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

I also favor this system. Shotrocket6 01:55, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

What about unused templates? D:< -- 23:47, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Tempates =/= Filespace. 23:49, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yet the same problem - we have googles of unused templates, of which most are unnecessary (or could be moved to make stuff look neat). -- 01:51, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * googols. <3 02:05, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

How about we start a general wiki overhaul project? That would please everyone. 10:10, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * This doesn't sound like such a bad idea. 15:48, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * So this is basically being bunged into the Improvement Drive? 16:58, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not really, it's an image project or as elmo stated, another overhaul project. 19:09, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've looked though unused templates, and they're miniscle in comparison to unused and poorly named images. For this reasoning I think we should run two seperate projects, one for templates, one for Filespace, not bung them into together. 21:48, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Also, for people who want to help out, go crazy. 19:09, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

With all this talk of unused templates, I agree with Sam on this one, we should keep this a image related project, the unused templates of this wiki are few and far between, because most of these templates are used, just not being used at the moment. :| 23:04, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just so people know the scale, there are currently 289 unused templates, 62 are old FA templates, which we're keeping for archive reasons, and many others are users old sigs and templates we are not using at the moment. Currently I have deleted 2279 unused images, between 2 other users they have amassed around 1000, and we still have unused images filling up the unused files page and every MW3 page the menu icon image still has it's CoD:ELITE name. For this reason I feel these should be running seperately rather than together as images have a far greater amount than the templates, if you're cleaning 10000 and 100 rugs you'd rather have more attention on getting the windows done than the building done. 23:18, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * That settles that it seems. 00:18, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Compilation
Okay, so now that this has all been discussed, I think we need to do more with images than just renaming, we need to also make sure they are properly licensed, and make sure all unused/unneeded files are removed. Redundant images should be tagged for deletion and removed as well - this includes images such as several images for the cocking of a single gun.

So to make this easier, Crazy sam came up with an image hierarchy which we will be using to rename weapon images. The hierarchy goes like so:


 * [Weapon] [Attachment/SOPMOD, Grenadier, etc.] [Action being depicted] [Camo] [3rd person/pick up/HUD/Menu icon] [Game].[file extention]
 * Per some examples:
 * G36C Red Dot Sight MW3.png
 * G36C Red Tiger CoD4.png
 * G36C Iron Sights Red Tiger CoD4.png
 * G36C Dual Mags reload MW3.png
 * G36C Red Dot Sight pickup MW2.png
 * G36C Red Dot Sight Blue Tiger 3rd person MW2.png
 * L86 LSW Grenadier pickup MW2.png

Please note however that the priority is to rename images with improper names, mark unused/unnecessary images for deletion, and make sure things are properly licensed.

Sactage's bot is currently ready to help in image maintenance. It has a few commands which do things to images. A documentation of the commands is found here.

Please post your name below if you plan on helping out with this project and you need custodian rights. They will be added over the coming days.

03:06, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Users who need custodian rights
SXe Fiend

Yardhog

Smilular

Twilight Maxxis

DarkMetroid567

1337 SPNKR

ParagonX7

Users who need access to Cynder
As of now, I ask Nyx to copy-paste the commands I write for him, and when he's not there...it gets difficult. 03:27, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Any further discussion
I want to add we should be looking for redundant images as well, we don't need 3 images of a gun cocking with different attachements if the animation is the same. 03:13, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Added 03:46, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Another side-note, for the infobox images, we should ensure we're keeping it uniform. I've seen both CaC and Menu icon used. I feel Menu icon fits better so we should try to keep to that, unless anyone else can think of a reason why it should not be called that. 02:59, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Custodian Rights
Are we simply giving out custodian to users who request them to move and delete files on-wiki? 16:16, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Provided they have some experience of editing, yes... 17:47, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Temporarily or perm? I just don't see myself having the rights for anytime after the project :/ 23:49, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Also, what about the "edit all pages" thing above? 17:50, April 11, 2012 (UTC)