Call of Duty Wiki:ATEFI

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Introduction
The Alliance to End firearm Ignorance (henceforth referred to as the ATEFI) is a group of users on this wiki, founded by me, SaintofLosAngelesXD(m), that cannot stand when people are stupid, misinformed, idiotic, and otherwise ignorant about firearms and firearm related subjects. We do not expect everyone to be as knowledgeable about firearms as we are, we simply expect that people have at least some basic knowledge, especially if one plays shooter video games. We have little problem with those who are aware of their lack of knowledge of firearms, though we will still correct them if they are wrong. Our biggest problem is with those who claim to be knowledgeable about firearms, but are in reality quite ignorant. If you are a member, please feel free to make additions to this page wherever you see fit!

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Examples of ignorance
Examples include include, but are not limited to:
 * Misuse of terminology
 * ex. calling a "magazine" a "clip"
 * ex. calling a complete cartridge a bullet
 * Assuming every gun of a certain classification is a well-known example of that classification
 * ex. thinking every assault rifle is an AK-47, or "AK"
 * ex. thinking every submachine gun is an Uzi
 * ex. thinking every semi-automatic handgun is a Glock
 * Believing oneself to be knowledgeable about firearms only because one has played a shooter video game
 * Thinking that simply because a gun is short, it is a submachine gun
 * ex. the G36c
 * ex. the AKS-47u
 * Presuming that all guns of a certain classification share the same characteristics as all other guns of that classification
 * ex. thinking all shotguns make a "chk-chk" sound
 * General stupidity
 * ex. thinking the entire cartridge exits out the end of the barrel
 * ex. thinking an M134 minigun actually can fire infinitely as long as it doesn't overheat
 * ex. thinking all stealth missions have the soldiers using silenced MP5s

(We recognize that to create an enjoyable video game, it is sometimes necessary to skimp on details and accuracy, and therefore do not hold the developers in complete contempt for certain errors)

Members

 * SaintofLosAngelesXD(m) (founder)
 * Maj.Gage (creative designer)
 * Akyoyo
 * Callofduty4
 * Ghost Leader
 * J-money
 * Chantufan
 * Rasmus Nicholson
 * EightOhEight
 * EnemyOfMyEnemy
 * II Superlative
 * Peter Griffen Boy
 * Griever0311
 * CoD addict
 * Dbx25
 * Doc.Richtofen
 * AdvancedRookie
 * Casual T
 * Achronos-117
 * Shotty729
 * Cpl. Wilding
 * Poketape
 * DEathgod65
 * TNT LotLP
 * Tehpwnage22
 * xXFlyinCowXx
 * Mishulover69
 * Pvt.Peter Kendell
 * DevilWarrior112
 * Codfan
 * Decster97
 * Niel15
 * Mr. Pie
 * Razgriez

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Actions taken and tactics used against the ignorant
Retaliation against ignorance by the members of the ATEFI include, but are not limited to:
 * Quizzing on technical and historical aspects of firearms
 * ex caliber, magazine size, variants, years of service, countries used by etc.
 * Insulting
 * Refusing to speak to
 * Public humiliation
 * Minimal blocking (i.e. for an hour or two) for major infractions
 * Various other payback

(Please understand that some of these punishments are not acceptable for use on the Call of Duty wiki, per our user treatment policy.

Experiences with the ignorant
Members, feel free to place examples of personal experiences with those ignorant about firearms in this section.

SaintofLosAngelesXD(m)

 * I was talking a guy who saw an rifle (Beretta RX4 Storm) and called it an AK-47. I proceeded to quiz him on the AK-47. When I asked him what "AK-47" stood for, he said "Awesome Karbine 47-bullet clip". When I asked him what caliber it was, and he said .50 BMG, which he referred to as "the bullet the Deagle shoots", and he also thought "BMG" stood for "big massive gun". I subsequently ordered him out of my house.


 * I was at my friend's house, and his son (my godson) was playing war with his friends. One of them was running around with an Airsoft model of an M1014. Every time he "fired" it, he would make a "chk-chk" sound. I pulled him aside and said, "I'm terribly sorry, but the M1014 does not make a 'chk-chk' sound," much to the amusement of my godson.


 * I was at a cafe with my girlfriend, and a little kid was talking to his friends about Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. He made an ignorant comment, and I proceeded to correct him. Here is a rough outline of the conversation that followed:
 * Kid: ...yeah, I just wished flashbangs existed in real life. Man, that would be friggin' sweet.


 * Me: Uh, kid? Flashbangs do exist.


 * Kid: *Kid stares blankly* No they don't.


 * Me: Yeah, they do. They're used pretty heavily by the S.A.S.


 * Kid: Dude, what are you talking about? The S.A.S. isn't real. Tryarch just made it up for Cod Mod 1.


 * Me: Uh, three things. First, the S.A.S. is definitely real. Second, Infinity Ward made CoD4, not Treyarch. Third, Cod Mod 1? Who the hell calls it that?


 * Kid: Oh, I guess now you're going to tell me that they actually make a full auto shottygun.


 * Me: Uh, yeah, they do. The AA-12 has been around since the '70's, actually.


 * Kid: Whatever man, you're fuckin' retarded.


 * Me: What are you, like eight years old? Don't swear at me. And I'm retarded? How about you try checking Wikipedia sometime?


 * Kid: Huh, I suppose Wikipedia told you that Predator missiles are real too.


 * My girlfriend: Okay, kid, you're obviously an idiot, so you can just shut up and have fun with the rest of your life. Let's go, Spencer. *We get up to leave*


 * Kid, to his friends as we're leaving: Holy shit, those guys were dumb. So, does anybody else think Ghost is Gaz? 'Cuz I've got a few theories... *I tense up in anger*


 * My girlfriend: Just let it go, sweety, just let it go.

Maj.Gage

 * My friend at school asked me "Did you strike the firing pin in the bullet?", and I replied "The firing pin is in the gun, not the bullet dumbass."

Akyoyo

 * I was talking to my "cousin" (his real relation to me is a little more complicated), and he was playing with some airsoft pistols. He was only about 7 years old, so, needless to say, he called the magazine a clip. I tried politely convincing him that it's called a magazine, but he swore left and right that it was called a clip, because of the sound the magazine made going into the magazine well. I told him with that logic, toast should be called "Errch", an onomatopoeia of the sound you make when you eat it. But he's seven, so it was no use.
 * Another little kid thought that my airsoft gun was an "AK". I was using a pistol.

J-money

 * I'm pretty sure this is a ATEFI worthy story since it is a NO BRAINER: So there's this guy that goes to my school, his name is Zach, but for this purpose we will refer to him as Sack. So we were playin some CoD4 one day and he was getting pissed cause he was sucking really bad, which he does all the time. So he said (sorry for the caps lock) "I JUST FIRED A WHOLE ROUND INTO THAT GUY AND IT DIDN'T KILL HIM." He was using an SMG or an assault rifle. I said "Dude I hope didn't take one round to kill him, I think you mean a magazine instead of round." And he started getting pissed again.

Eight0hEight

 * I completed a training course down where I live in 3 seconds under the best time, set by a retired Army Lieutenant 12 years ago. Used a Bizon PP19. (Not really firearm ignorance, just some bragging rights)


 * Last night, I was playing with a kid who was calling flashbangs "light grenades"

Peter Griffen Boy

 * I was in Marine training and someone's M9 jammed up. I looked at the gun, couldn't find a reason for it not to work, then I looked at his magazine and he modified his magazine to allow .357 magnum ammo in. I asked him why he did it and he wanted it to be powerful. Few hours later he was nearly blinded by a flash bang. I recently found out he got injured and discharged for using the wrong ammo in his M9 and it blew up on him. No wonder in the three years he served, he never got promoted.

Callofduty4

 * I was on a public transport bus, and the two kids behind me were talking about Modern Warfare 2. They almost gave me a brain hemorrhage. They couldn't have been more wrong. They actually thought that the US army still used Model 1887s and Double barreled shotguns. They also thought that it was possible to wield two Model 1887s, because they saw Arnold Swarzenegger do it. That was only the tip of the iceberg.

Rasmus Nicholson

 * I was in school class, the last class (yay!) well I was talking with my friend about the tommy gun then in recess we continued talking about it, untill 2 kids talking about UMP started saying: did you know that the 45 of the UMP is not of the caliber but is the year it was designed? then the other kid said: you´re dumb are you right? the 45 is for the clip size! Oh shit you can imagine the rest.


 * I was hanging out with friends on starbucks, just when I see a bunch of kids talking about MW2, then in a few seconds a kid says: you know what would be cool? that EOTech really have the reticule! Well I just calmly said: dude, EOTech technology uses the reticule. kid: of course not! its like saying that heartbeat exist´s! me: well, my dad serves service at Colombian army and he mounted an EOTech on his M4, even I have one in my home and it works perfectly. After that the kid maked silence, I just go back to my home.

Ghost Leader

 * (Random YouTube comment I read once)
 * "No, no, you got it all wrong! The M16A2 fires 3 round bursts and full auto, the M16A3 is a 7.62mm belt-fed version of the A2 designed as a heavy machine gun, there's no such thing as an M16A4, the M4 fires 2 round burst, 3 round burst, and full auto, and the M4A1 only fires full auto and has a quick-change barrel. Trust me, I'm a staff sergeant in the US Coast Guard!"


 * Needless to say, I laughed for days at this comment. XD

Casual_T

 * After I bought my M14S, my dad refinished the stocks. When my sister saw it she said "OH MY GOD, is there a gun in that?"
 * NO! Its a stock idiot!


 * I was looking at pictures of guns on a school computer (after school) and a guy said "Why do you like guns?" I said "Why do you like Xbox 360?" He said "Cause it doesn't kill people." So this guy plays 360 for the specific reason that it WON'T kill anyone.


 * My friend was talking to a friend of his about MW2 the day after it came out, and I happened to overhear. He said "Dude, have you seen the new Call of Duty? There's a new M16 in the game, it's called the FAMOUS!". Obviously he thought that the FAMAS was an M16 because of the three-round burst.


 * My teacher on an M1 Garand "Is that a bolt action?"


 * I generally just get a lot of BS from my friends in German class about any gun in any CoD.
 * eg.
 * -The Steyr AUG is NOT an assault rifle they say. It clearly says LMG.
 * -The TAR-21 means Top Assault Rifle.
 * -The TAR-21 has actual tar to lubricate it as oil, hence the name.
 * -The whole M1 Garand ping sound and mid-clip reloading argument. Come on, don't argue with me, I own one.
 * -Them thinking that the Desert Eagle is general issue.
 * -All M16s are full auto.
 * -Clip/mag and cartridge/bullet arguments.
 * -"When they put the AK74U in CoD4, they spelled it wrong. It's supposed to be AK47U".
 * -Gewehr is pronounced as GOO-ER.

Poketape

 * I hate when people say they love the Model 1887s and how the army must still use them everywhere because of how powerful they are in the game.

Chantufan
OK, I have heard people call the listed guns the listed WRONG names.

FAMAS isn't a famous

FAL isn't a fall, fail

Gewehr isn't a goo-er

Thompson isn't a tommy gun, thompson (without silent H)

UMP isn't a ump, hump

SCAR isn't a scar (I usually don't care if SCAR is said this way as long as people know that it's a SCAR, not a scar.)

Desert Eagle isn't a deagle

Cheytac 200 isn't a Intervention (The Cheytac Intervention is actually a weapons system ,not a weapon for those not in ATEFI.

TNT LotLP
I saw a cellphone picture of one of my co-workers firing what looked like some kind of LMG, mainly due to the magazine of the weapon (hard to make out, it was very blurry) so I said. "Huh, don't know what you're firing there, but it's some kind of light machine gun/support weapon." to which he replied. "No dude, it's a MAG!" Bah, seriously?

II Superlative
Things that people have believed:

That the Barrett 50cal is actually called that, not the M82A1.

That the FAMAS is only capable of burst fire.

That you can actually fire a Barrett M82A1 or Cheytac Intervention accurately from the shoulder or hip.

That the recoil involved in dual wielding two heavy 120 year old lever action shotguns is actually controllable and that it wouldn't break your fingers when you try to spin-cock them.

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Cpl. Wilding
My friend's dad was listening to us talk about WWII bolt-action rifles, like the Springfield and Kar98k. He commented to us that we were wrong and that you could just keep pulling the trigger then pull the bolt back and reload. I told him that my grandfather has a Korean bolt-action rifle, and that he told me that to use it you need to rotate the bolt every time you fire. He kept insisting he was right. I told him that he doesn't understand the concept of "bolt-action" and to please locate and research the term on Wikipedia. He hasn't talked to me directly since.