Forum:Porn links on IRC

Tonight a user came on to IRC and was asking "Request permission to do a joke. If I get blocked, I warned ya all. Permission allowed?" I asked him what kind of joke. He said "it has been made before". I asked him if it violates any policies. He said "not that I know of, its dirty though." I told him that obscenity is not allowed. He then said "Well, if I get blocked, I'm gonna kill you all as I warned you, so". he then posted a link that takes you to a video that portrays two men engaging in gay sex. I have looked all over for any policy covering pornography and pornography links and have not found anything. the Vulgarity policy is vague when it comes to violations and penalties. That brings up the question, what is the proper penalty for posting pornography and pornographic links on IRC?  Talk 06:18, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I suggest that if people post porno links, ban them for a a week or two. --Tbsoldier sig.pngSoldier 08:15, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Some measure has to be implemented, perhaps a 2-3 day ban? 08:42, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * He sounds like he needs banning for threatning to kill us! It depends, pornography, lets face it, we've all watched it or seen pictures of it and perhaps some of it could be used as a joke you know, I don't think posting it deserves banning but if someone said its too vulgar take it down or one of the other editors takes it down! I don't think it's wrth banning! PaPa SmUrF 08:48, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Smurf: It was on IRC. You can't remove it. The only thing you can really do is +b (read: BAN) or +q (Read: MUTE) him. Whiskey: I think the proper penalty is +b on IRC for about 5 days, and a short, around 12 hour ban on the wiki. Sactage   DILLAGAF?  Editcount  Contribs    Want a sig?  11:30, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * PORN? That person is out of control. Which user is he?

If a violator of such a policy is going to be blocked from the wiki as well, it needs to be made clear that wiki policy is meant to followed on IRC. That includes user treatment and, as some are still obstinate about, having their nick reflect their wiki username. 11:38, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Just kick, and block his ass on IRC and the wiki. A 2 week ban seems needed. Dolten  Lets Talk  17:12, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Don't "kick his ass", just tell him not to do what he's doing as a warning or just block him. Simple.

By "kick" I mean kick off the IRC channel, theres no warning for something the big. Dolten  Lets Talk  17:18, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Regular porn is fine, but if its dumb gross-out shit like Goatse or Lemonparty then ban the asshat that posted it. I like a good Goatseing as much as your average troll, but we need limits. Darkman 4 17:20, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * No I think all porn should be banned. PGB did the same thing a short while ago and was lucky we didn't have him arrested for showing pornographic images to minors. US Army OF-2.png Rambo362  US Army OF-2.png 17:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I totally agree with you Rambo. Everything which has anything to do with porn, nudity or whatever which is suitable for people who are 18+, should be banned. Especially if we have minors in this Wiki... imagine if they accidentaly click on a link which re-directs them to whatever type of pornography... it will corrupt their minds :O --Tbsoldier sig.pngSoldier 18:01, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh come on. We aren't the moral police. I mean honestly, is there anyone that really cares about "protecting the children"? Its just a ploy to make yourself seem like some sort of moral defender. Besides, we're talking about IRC, not the actual wiki. Porn would be automatically deleted on site if it appeared here.
 * I agree with Darkman, were not exactly the biggest wiki on morals. Dolten 1164610-433px usmc logo svg large.png  Lets Talk  21:46, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't give a flying fladoodle what any individual watches while they're alone or with friends. It doesn't matter how old users are—posting pornographic links is extremely inappropriate, offensive, and threatening to others' computers. I find it rediculous that we even need to discuss whether or not posting links to pornographic websites should be tolerated. 04:00, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well said Chia. [[File:20755-Clipart-Illustration-Of-A-Happy-Boy-In-Uniform-Holding-A-Basketball-On-His-Hip.jpg|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Happy_Boy]] Happy Boy T M   E 04:08, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Chia, no matter what age, pornagraphy is innapropriate. 03:31, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * You all seem to forget that you should be 17 to play the games (in teh U.S. at least). And saying to a minor "click this if you want to look at porn, not as if you haven't done so already" isn't a crime. -- CoD addict · (talk) 07:33, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

I would like to note I am 13 and he posted the link to everyone, effectively showing a minor a porn. I say he broke a law, technically, and I think 5 days would be fitting for a pervert like that. TheManOfIron 19:01, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. All porn should be banned, even if the user who sees it is of age. There are also users who are minors who will see and there may also be others who could be watching the user on IRC. LITE992 13:15, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also agree. There should be zero tolerance on pornography on this website. It's a professional website, not owned by any of us. Pornography has no place here. We all know that kids are going to be kids and will probably see porn long before they are 18 anyways, but that doesn't mean it needs to be on the wiki. I personally don't mind porn, but this isn't the place for it. Brothertim 15:37, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal
I would like to propose the following:

Penalties for posting pornography or pornographic links on either the CoD Wiki or #wikia-cod is prohibited. Any user violating this policy will be penalized as follows: Penalties are not negotiable. Please place your comments BELOW the Discussion line.
 * 1) First Offense: Stern Warning
 * 2) Second Offense: 1 day block on CoD Wiki and IRC #wikia-cod
 * 3) Third Offense: 3 day block on CoD Wiki and IRC #wikia-cod
 * 4) Fourth Offense 1 week block on CoD Wiki and IRC #wikia-cod

Discussion
I'd prefer it go Stern Warning, 3-day block, 1-week block, 2-week block.

Anybody who doesn't heed the warning is obviously trying to act funny or whatever. Chief z 12:06, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Anyone who posts links to pornographic sites obviously knows what he or she is doing, which leads me to believe an immediate block on IRC and the wiki should start at the first offense. This is not something we are going to tolerate, and the resulting punishment must reflect that. 12:51, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, first offence should be at least 2 days if not 4, in my opinion. Dolten 1164610-433px usmc logo svg large.png  Lets Talk  15:53, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Im okay with Whiskey's proposal... but I think that the first offense should be changed into a 2 hour block instead of a stern warning, as like what Bovell says, it's not tolerated. --Soldier 13:07, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, 2 hours doesn't cut it. I say we go 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, and if they still continue after that, there's a major problem and much more severe action will be taken. Not everybody who uses IRC is over 18, and providing indecent images/videos to minors is a major offense, and it could land all of us in trouble. 13:13, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Per Bovell. We shouldn't be nice to the people who do this, because they obviously intended to do that. That said, we need the make the consequences much harsher than the above so people won't even try. LITE992 13:45, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

There shouldn't be any warnings, just go straight to a 3-day block. As Bovell said, this shouldn't be tolerated. 13:57, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Bovell and Callofduty4. 15:48, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal "B"
Penalties for posting pornography or pornographic links on either the CoD Wiki or #wikia-cod is prohibited. Any user violating this policy will be penalized as follows: Penalties are not negotiable. Please place your comments BELOW the Discussion line.
 * 1) First Offense: 3 day block on CoD Wiki and IRC #wikia-cod
 * 2) Second Offense: 1 week block on CoD Wiki and IRC #wikia-cod
 * 3) Third Offense: 2 week block on CoD Wiki and IRC #wikia-cod
 * 4) Fourth Offense: 1month block on CoD Wiki and IRC #wikia-cod  Perma-ban.

Discussion
If a user did it a third time, they obviously aren't going to learn, and more severe action should be taken.

Once they've done it more than a third time, they obviously aren't going to stop, a longer block should be issued for the fourth offense. 00:52, August 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with it, although the 4th offence should be somewhat longer. But I don't see everyone changing it on my behalf. Dolten 1164610-433px usmc logo svg large.png  Lets Talk  00:54, August 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with this proposal more than the first one, though a one-month block for the third offense seems better. 14:16, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, could we change that? Dolten 1164610-433px usmc logo svg large.png  Lets Talk  15:38, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like this one, But shouldn't we have a limit when it comes to what pornography was used? Either way, This ones a home run Bravoalphasix.png 14:21, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I also agree with this proposal. This Proposal is also more acceptable and per CoD4, yeah the 3rd offense should be a 1 month block. --Soldier 14:23, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

These proposals are useless. No one will do a fourth offense, for two reasons: they're not that much of a perv (hopefully) and they've been warned enough, and more importantly, there should be an infinite ban or longer ban on the second or third offense. This is serious and despite our users being over 13, or even over 18, they're not all perverts and they don't all want to see this. The first offense should be a lot longer, I suggest around a week on the wiki and IRC (or 5 days), the second offense should be longer and the third offense should be the last one as they should be blocked infinitely or for a very long time. -- Tigernose    Chat   •  Edits   13:49, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, but I think the second offense should be much harsher compared to the first. When a user does it the second time after learning that we don't tolerate porn, then they are deliberately breaking a rule that was made clear to them. LITE992 21:01, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

I like this proposal the most, but I feel that 4 offenses is too many before a perma-ban. Obviously, If they don't learn after two times, they don't belong here. Brothertim 15:55, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure how much my opinion is worth, but I too agree with this proposal. I also agree that 4 offenses is too many. 1-2-3 strikes you're out!  DjuNgle B  16:12, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think this draft should be made more strict, like this: Just to show them that porn of any kind is not and never will be tolerated and that we won't take their crap. 18:44, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * First Offense - 1 week block on the wiki and IRC
 * Second Offense - 2 week block on the wiki and IRC
 * Third Offense - 1 month block on the wiki and IRC
 * Fourth Offense - A permanent block on the wiki and IRC.


 * How about:


 * First Offense: 1 Day block (more like a warning)


 * Second Offense: 1 Month (reasonable for a second offense for unacceptable behaviour)


 * Third Offense: Perma-Ban (no more excuses)


 * This way it gives a slap on the wrist to first-time offenders, and a hard penalty for those who are habitual. Brothertim 19:38, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * How about:
 * How about:


 * First offense- 1 day block


 * Second offense- 1 week block


 * Third offense- 1 month block


 * Fourth offense- 1 year block


 * 5th offense- banned from editing this wiki


 * Does anyone agree with my Ideas? Talk 20:55, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal "C"
I think, users should be warned this way:
 * Simple porn image or video: +b for 5-10 minutes at first, then +b for a day and +b for 3 days.
 * Porn like goatsex: +b for a day, then for 3 days, then for week.
 * Links containing viruses (with or without porn): at first warning 1 week +b, then permaban.

Discuss below.

-- 14:03, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion
Put your opinion here. 14:03, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

I like proposal B better. 15:52, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal B is more intresting IMO --Soldier 16:06, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Porn is porn no matter how you look at it. I don't think we should be trying to distinguish what kind of porn it is.  Talk 18:38, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

^^^ TheManOfIron  19:39, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think that this forum should be a warning enough. TheManOfIron 19:41, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sure most newbies will not know about this forum. But to most experienced editors, yes, this should suffice Brothertim 19:44, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

I like proposal B better. 20:05, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

It disgusts me that we even have to deal with things like "goatsex viruses", that being said, I am in favor of Proposal B, perhaps with a few small amendments. Sgt.Maj. Delta 4-7  05:59, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Keep it with proposal B. Dolten   Let's Talk  21:28, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

I say that viruses should be an instant permaban regardless. If the users gives you a link with a virus he is obiviously out there with a malicious intent and shouldn't be allowed on the wiki. TheManOfIron 02:11, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal "D"
I am proposing that the punishments would be:

First offense: 1 week block on Wiki and IRC.

Second offense: 1 month block on Wiki and IRC.

'''Thrid offense: Permanent block on Wiki and IRC

Uses the three strike system. Tell me what you think. LITE992 14:52, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Final Draft for Approval
After looking through all the discusions put forth in the previous propsals and talk I nominate this as the final draft. I think this will satisfy most of the users involved. The following is the policy and penalties:

No user shall post pornograghic images or links of any kind on the CoD wiki or it's IRC channel. Any user violating this will be subject to the following penalties:
1st violation: 3 day block on the Wiki and the IRC channel

2nd violation : 2 week block on the Wiki and the IRC channel

3rd violation: 1 month block on the Wiki and the IRC channel

4th violation: Permanent block on the Wiki and the IRC channel

Support:

 * 1) --Tbsoldier sig.pngSoldier 05:11, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) 20PX_SIG.gif  Talk 05:13, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Hk37 Need help? Contact me here! 05:16, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)   Blinzy  [45]  ]] 05:35, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose:

 * 1) -- 14:32, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  14:35, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Brothertim 14:49, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) per all Price25 15:52, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5)  Dolten 1164610-433px usmc logo svg large.png  Let's Talk  21:04, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Comments:
<font color="Green"> Talk 02:31, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Per CodExperts proposal
'''No user shall post pornograghic images or links of any kind on the CoD wiki or it's IRC channel. Any user violating this will be subject to the following penalties:'''

First offense - 1 week block from the Wiki and IRC channel

Second offense - 1 month block from the Wiki and IRC channel

Third offense - 1 year block 'from the Wiki and IRC channel

Fourth offense - Permanently blocked from the Wiki and IRC channel