Forum:Image problem

hi

See:
 * Forum:Banning_pony_images_from_being_uploaded_to_the_wiki
 * Forum:Personal_Images
 * Forum:Eliminating_the_upload_of_Pimp_My_Gun_Images.
 * Call of Duty Wiki:War Room/Archive1

So, after a recent argument in chat over the upload of Pimp My Gun images and pony images - an agreement was reached that both are not useful - which is why the problem is that we only banned one of them. And after that, we started focusing on renaming images in order to keep other images. Why would we do that?


 * As an encyclopedia, the images are far from useful. They do nothing but make our files an absolute mess, they're completely random, and they do absolutely nothing for the encyclopedia - and are unnecessary.
 * As a community site, the images can easily be uploaded somewhere else, such as an actual image database. We are not entitled to host these images and there is no reason they should be uploaded here for personal use.

So, it's fairly obvious that we have some sort of issue here with these images. Which is why we can either do two of these options:


 * 1) Unban PMG images from being uploaded to the wiki
 * As we banned them awhile ago due to them being useless and being an issue to rename, we left countless other categories of personal images that are also useless - and we've started image renaming projects that help us deal with this sort of thing. We're pretty much going against our own reason for removing them by still allowing all other personal images.
 * 1) Completely disallow all personal images from being uploaded to the wiki.
 * Notice "uploaded to the wiki". This won't be entirely removing them and disallowing them from the wiki, as a lot of people have made the assumption in previous forums involving this topic (see a few of the links above). The point is: we're an encyclopedia, there is absolutely no reason these images should still be uploaded here if they aren't going to benefit the wiki as an encyclopedia but will only be used for personal reasons. As for the argument "we have unlimited storage space", there is absolutely no reason we should keep these images purely because they have some use. This is exactly the same reason we removed COD:G - because there are some articles that are not beneficial to the wiki and are pretty much just extra stuff. -- 03:55, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Sometime back we banned the uploading of PMGs seen here. The main reason of this was because they were not being licensed correctly, now that we have an image project in full swing, and most users are fully behind this I feel it's time to lift the ban, given the main reason behind the last forum was licensing, I don't see any other reasons why not to lift this ban at this time. 03:55, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

tldr That we've had this issue for a long time, and in the past we've failed to reach an actual solution. So I figure we should use either of the options above in order to finally solve it. -- 03:47, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
No, we are not an image hosting site. I and several other users just had a long discussion about this. Instead of lifting the ban on PMG's, all personal images should be uploaded elsewhere and than posted here. They should not be uploaded to CoD Wiki. 03:28, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's going to be much harder to mediate. 03:34, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * In what way? *Not trying to sound rude sorry* 03:39, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Admins will need to look out for every image that may be used for personal use, most other wikis allow personal images. Also, you may be interested in these two forums a previous attempt at removing them and The allowance of them in the first place. 03:42, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * For moderation, any images that benefit the wiki and are still used for some sort of infobox or w/e are still beneficial - and in most cases are just duplicates of an existing image. It wouldn't be that difficult to moderate. -- 03:55, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm mainly refering to every admin having to delete and warn every user about the uploading of an image that's clearly not for a mainspace page. 04:04, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * That could be just a short-term issue though, right? If we were to advertise any new changes through the sitenotice/community corner I'm sure that new/other users will get the picture over time. -- 04:08, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

PMG's aren't helping the wiki at all. When they were allowed, more and more were getting uploaded everyday. It got to the point where more PMG's where getting uploaded then pictures for mainspace articles. Just look at the forum that got them banned for reasons why they shouldn't return. Conqueror of all Zombies 03:37, June 29, 2012 (UTC) Since we're talking about allowing PMG's or not allowing all personal images, I'd go for allowing PMG's. Per what I said on the banning PMG's forum and Crazy Sam. Conqueror of all Zombies 04:06, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * At one point in time the same could be said about MLP images, the only difference is MLPs forum for banning didn't go though. Given the ammount of time that's passed, I don't think PMGs are going to be uploaded en masse as soon as this forum closes. 03:48, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I feel like PMG might have just been a fad. I wouldn't be opposed to allowing them again, but if it gets out of hand, we'll have to ban them again. Joe Copp 03:45, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * But what separates PMG from other images that are "just a fad" that may get out of hand? Banning only certain types of images is ridiculous. -- 03:58, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I say ban immages form being uploaded here anyway as we're an encyclopedia not an image database just upload them to like imgur or such Actually just allow PMG's though it's going to be a eye sore for me might as well

I've always been an advocate of keeping wikis clear of personal images. On Crysis Wiki, I developed a policy forbidding anything not related to Crysis (or anything the wiki needed, such as File:Replacement filing cabinet.svg; personal images are allowed, they just need to be hotlinked. While it would indeed take a long time to delete all personal images, I believe it would be to our advantage as an encyclopedia. Joe Copp 04:26, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Deleting all of them is an option, but it may take a long time to do so - so I don't know if everybody will be on-board with that. -- 04:30, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Joe Copp. A wiki with no personal images is a wiki that can be more easily maintained. 04:26, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Arby took the words right out of my mouth. Qw3rty! 04:38, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd just like to say, in response to you and Arby, that deleting all of them that are here now is only an option if we are to disallow all personal images. They would still be uploaded to external sites, can be posted here, and will function the exact same way as now - but we won't have to deal with them anymore after that. -- 04:41, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Disallow personal images. It's not very hard to use imgur posting sites and personal images just leads to more maintenance overall. Deleting images could be a problem, as only administrators have the ability to do so. That is, unless, we created a new user right, but we can just simply disallow the uploading of personal images. 05:21, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not necessary to delete all currently used personal images - it's merely another option if we are to go ahead and disallow them from being uploaded onto the site. -- 07:35, June 29, 2012 (UTC)