Forum:KONY 2012

So, I don't care if this is corny or anything, but I was thinking. I recently watched this video. And I got too thinking, what better way to spread its message then by doing a little thing on the wiki? Nothing major like the Blackout for SOPA, but maybe add a header on the front page, a news blog about Joseph Kony and Invisible Children Inc., and maybe changing the Logo to have "KONY 2012" over it, just like "Stop Censorship". We could do it for just a day, a week, a month, whatever you guys want. We are a pretty high traffic site, we could make just that much of a difference. 03:21, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

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Well.....In my opinion, we could do that, seeing how we did it for SOPA, so why not this one? 03:26, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

We need to do that. Also, y u no wait for Bovell to create a blog about this? 03:49, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cause I dont recall Bovell saying he would make one. 03:51, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

This must be done. I will not allow us to do nothing. Shotrocket6 03:59, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea. Per all. 04:26, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I'm already starting something in real life, doing this on the wiki will just add to what I can do to help. I'm all in. And, it's not corny at all. 04:43, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

It seems like a good idea but this whole thing seems like another Somalia for me

We should definitely do this. 12:20, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Whilst I agree something should be brought up on the wiki, as it doesn't have such a direct impact on the wiki as a whole I don't think we need to advertise it as much as SOPA. 13:31, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

We've been given the opportunity to help. Let's take the opportunity on. 18:32, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

We should do what we can. TheDocRichtofen (  Talk  ) 18:38, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

(sigh) The anti-SOPA legacy again... JK, it seems like a great idea. Sgt. S.S. 18:57, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just realised this has nothing to do with SOPA. Mock me if you must. Sgt. S.S. 19:01, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Until I saw this forum, I was considering making one myself about Kony 2012. We must do this. 18:59, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Skeptical at first, but there's no reason not to do this... Changed my mind. I'm not supporting this. 19:18, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Let's do this, because fuck Kony. 19:33, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * ^ 19:38, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think this a beautiful way to inform people on Kony, we have to do this to help spread the word as best as we can!21:02, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Per all, lets do this. 22:28, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I don't really see why, or why not. It shouldn't be as drastic as our SOPA movement, but maybe a blog or logo change for a week would do. We shouldn't have a STOP KONY blocking our web page though (imo) as Kony doesn't threaten us like SOPA did. 02:40, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with SPNKR, you raise a good point, but of course we don't plan on such a mass movement like we did with the SOPA protest. 02:45, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * But SOPA didn't kidnap 30,000 African children. Shotrocket6 03:02, March 8, 2012 (UTC
 * I know ima sound like a complete dick for this, but Kony doesn't have anything to do with us in any way. I know he is a horrible excuse for a human being and he should be convicted, but the only reason we protested SOPA in the first place was because it threatened our very existence. I am still in favor of putting up a Kony 2012 logo and blog of sorts, but it need not be as drastic as our SOPA blackout was. 03:07, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. Shotrocket6 03:08, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * My thoughts exactly.   Zombiedeath   Talk    Edits    Mortal Kombat    21:56,3/8/2012 21:56, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and Kony isn't threatening free speech or threatening the internet 22:06, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Great, we're the CoD wiki and now we're getting involved with causes. It's not our job to be a facebook repost. 04:48, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * You may also note that the majority of people here are human beings, and that means we have a responsibility to try and help get rid of evil in anyway we can. TheDocRichtofen  (  Talk  ) 07:30, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the last time I checked. this site is not just an encyclopedia. This site is much more than that, we have a community. Our community is here to build the wiki, support each other and make decisions like this. This wiki is not known just for the encylcopedia part, but for our achievments as a community as well. The SOPA protest is a great example of this. We were mentioned on sites entirely dedicated to SOPA, we made sure we played our part in the protest, and we did. While you may not like the community so much, we're here to stay and make our decisions like one. Now there have always been communities in real life that could use help, and these communities in Uganada are. This is our chance to help many other communities, we should take it. 14:07, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * We got involved so much in SOPA because it was a direct threat to the wiki itself, as SPNKR and I stated earlier, this does not effect 'us' as much, while I'm not against the wiki doing something, we need to remember that. 14:41, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * In fairness, we are a website that has a global user base. TheDocRichtofen  (  Talk  ) 15:36, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Per Poketape 22:06, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to just come out and say it: It's not our job to start protesting injustices in the world especially when they have absolutely nothing to do with us. This isn't a repeat of SOPA, that would have directly affected us, this does not. I'm all for making a blog if someone so chooses to but I personally don't think this, or any other protest or injustice that has no affect on us deserve anymore of our wiki's dedication. It's not fair to all the other injustices that have 0 impact on us, why does KONY all of a sudden get special treatment? And anything thing, who honestly thinks our readerbase truly cares enough to do anything besides make angry comments on a blog anyway?

And before anyone even bothers, I do care. I'm just not going to lie to myself by saying making angry comments on blogs/facebook/youtube/reddit/wherever is actually helping those people.

We are the Call of Duty wiki, our job is Call of Duty and anything remotely relevant to that. Not to soapbox any issue that has no bearing on Call of Duty that we have a serious issue with and shove it in our readers faces. Carb 0 17:45, March 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just to point it out, your last paragraph is completely contradictory to your first paragraph. If we are the Call of Duty Wiki, then why did we have a blog that went on for two or more months protesting SOPA, and ANOTHER blog protesting ACTA, and a Full-on 24-hour Javascript Blackout of the Wiki? We are the Call of Duty Wiki, so why should we care if the government blacks the internet out? 20:54, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Uh, maybe because that internet is mildly important to us what with this wiki being on it and all. Kony does not impact this wiki in the slightest whereas SOPA/ACTA would have. Carb 0 21:47, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

lol kony 17:53, March 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * also read this 19:24, March 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * [citation needed] 21:01, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

After thinking about this again, I don't think we need to/should do anything, as it's not in our place to shove an Internet campaign down people's throats. I won't get into semantics but as Carbonite_0 said why does Kony get special treatment? 17:57, March 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * ....it's as if people have already forgotten about the whole SOPA deal. 20:58, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

SPNKR raised a good point. This campaign isn't linked to the CoD Wiki in any way. There isn't a single thing linking this website and the KONY 2012 campaign, so let's keep the CoD Wiki central to CoD. While some of you may feel strongly about the subject matter of KONY 2012, it's not the CoD Wiki's job to raise awareness of it, at all. If you want to raise awareness, there's plenty of other ways to do so. Not only that, but there are many who are oppossed to the KONY 2012 campaign. We can't just force one opinion upon an entire community. And to be perfectly honest, the charity organising the whole thing don't have a brilliant track record. For all we know, this could be a scam. Best stay away from it, in my opinion. 18:22, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. I just saw the video in my comp and lit class, and i think a kony 2012 banner and maybe a blog post would be good for support. But i also agree with spnkr in the fact that we cant let it be as serious as the sopa campaign, due to the fact that it doesnt affect us as directly as sopa did... (talk to this nub) 18:39, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, now that I think about it, I agree with Poketape and 1337 SPNKR. This isn't relevant to either CoD or to the wiki, and I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea of the wiki getting involved in real-world politics, as it isn't our position to do so. Sgt. S.S. 20:21, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just want to add that my opinion's been reinforced by N7's Pastebin post. I now firmly oppose any Kony-related action on this wiki. Sgt. S.S. 20:24, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

I reckon we just shove the video on the weekly news and call it a day. No need to get wrapped up in this, we can just put it out there and let people do with it what they will. 20:33, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

If we do that, how about we also do a campaign about Kim-Jong Un, Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe), the Castro family, the government of Afghanistan, al-Zawahiri (Current Al-Qaeda leader), Mohammed Omar (Current Taliban leader), Khaled Mashaaf (Current Hamas leader) too? Just because something is receiving mainstream media attention it doesn't mean that it is the only evil out there in the world. There are probably thousands of dictators and terrorist leaders out there, why should KONY receive extra attention? Because of a video? Alright, let me make a video about the rest too, lets see what happens. Also, per N7. PotatOS Wanna Test?My Own Test Chambers 20:42, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

http://pastebin.com/R6feM8rg A quickie conversation I had on IRC, which pretty much sums up my feelings on this matter now. 20:45, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Nooooo. Awareness of this is fine as it is. We only covered SOPA because it was directly against our interests as a Wiki. 20:57, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Per this and this. 1358 (Talk)  21:03, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

You know, when the whole anti-SOPA thing started (which was pretty much based on Hysteria and rumor), no one said "we need solid evidence that this will pass". Instead, we got a bunch of BS based on "Since the government thinks Pizza is a vegetable, they have to pass SOPA". And yet, we built a Long-running blog, another blog, and a blackout supported by all the admins, excluding Poketape.

Now, you are using logic that completely contradicts your own during the SOPA protests: "If it doesn't have to do with Call of Duty, then we shouldn't give any publicity to it." and also "Since there seems to be differing opinions on this, we shouldn't shove one opinion down our userbase's throats."

Also, N7's essay on why KONY is bullshit has many things that could have a Citation Needed banner over it. So, we can't support a "shady" company that has been doing this for 9 years now, and yet, we had a link to an equally shady organization for  over a month  because it was trying to stop SOPA?

Also, about the Willy Wonka image Xd1358 just posted, 25 years ago, the internet didn't exist. And this KONY campaign isn't new, either. Back in 2004, the same company that made this video released a documentary film on KONY, and 5,000,000 people saw it. 21:24, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm going to be very blunt here. Did you even read the SOPA Blackout forum? 21:29, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I forgot that this wiki is hosted on the internet and that Kony may totally cause mass censorship of this wiki. PotatOS Wanna Test?My Own Test Chambers 21:33, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, I'm really tired of seeing this Kony 2012 thing posted on every fucking webpage I look. We do not need, nor is it in our interests, to cover a subject when every single commentator on YouTube has already spammed my inbox about it. Also, this. 21:39, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Metlman, there is a difference. SOPA and PROTECT IP were/are serious threats to us, because they would mean nothing but Very Bad Things for us if they were passed. As such, a protest against that was relevant to us, if not to CoD as a whole. However, we can't say the same thing about Kony. Sgt. S.S. 21:41, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Also, about the Willy Wonka image Xd1358 just posted, 25 years ago, the internet didn't exist." First of all, [post "you don't say" image here], second of all, this doesn't affects us...at all. If you want to help those kids (and this goes with everything), you go talk it to your politicians, not sitting on a chair with the click of a mouse. One last thing, 30/35 years ago, there wasn't no internet as you mentioned, yet the media found a way to end the Vietnam war. If they can do that, they could've easily denounce a guy who puts kids on the frontlines. That they cared, is another matter.-21:54, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then  explain  why the bill was a threat to the wiki. There have been hundreds like it, that were shot down by the Supreme Court, and all of a sudden, this is supposed to be a threat to our freedom? There were never any good explanations for it other than "The Gov't believes Pizza is a veggie, so why wouldn't they pass this?" or, "180 corporations support this, so why wouldn't the gov't. I read the Blackout Blog  over and over , and each time, it still sounded like Hysteria horsecrap brought up by a few cynical 4chan users, that expanded into a much larger movement with "intellectuals" supporting it left and right. There was  NEVER ANY CONCRETE EVIDENCE  that it would have passed, and people still protested it anyways. 21:58, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * We aren't an activist group, we are an encyclopedia. I agree with PotatOS, Smuff, and Poketape. 22:06, March 8, 2012 (UTC)