Talk:Joseph Allen

Alexei Borodin
A lot of pages link here, even if they already have a link to PFC Joseph Allen. (Example: No Russian) Bunnokazooie 22:19, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Quick Question?
Shouldn't the page on Sasha be merged with this one? Because in the good version of the level No Russian, the name on both loading screens and on the bottom-left hand corner in the beginning show the character as Private Joseph Allen. Since Sasha was what was originally the believed name/alias of the CIA operative in No Russian, I was just wondering if we were to merge the two articles together. The Gamer 13 00:08, November 1, 2009 (UTC)The Gamer 13The Gamer 13 00:08, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Sasha is a nonentity. His cover name is Alexei Borodin. But regardless, they should be merged. Mechanical 42 00:45, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Beat you guys to it. Got the relevant info up, sasha page should be deleted. OmgHAX! 01:19, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Copyright violation? Oh, give me a BREAK.Mechanical 42 00:45, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Activision has already had one of our articles from the leaks removed. We are going to be safe-- 00:46, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, put the spilled milk back in the carton. Guess they have to justify legal somehow.Mechanical 42 00:49, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

It's true, leaking info about a game that hasn't been released yet can be considered a copyright violation, with appropriate action taken. Why do you think youtube has been doing the same with any MW2 videos?. WouldYouKindly 05:32, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Birth Date
How do you know that he was born in 1994 ? --NooBiBoy
 * One of the loading screens lists his age as 22 and his hometown as Ithaca, NY. Likely the source. Mechanical 42 04:35, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Nice xD Im older than him, BUT he kicks my ass for sure -NooBiBoy

Not anymore he dosen't. Doc.Richtofen 18:13, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Actually he could be born in 1993 as well... maybe he has birthday in augaust and the game is set in january.. just an example

lol he was born the age of the people who played him- shocker if he was actually born in 1993.

This is taking place in 2016. so it makes sense that he is 22 at that time

American accent
In all the entire CIA and Special forces they couldn't get one guy who is actually Russian. Y'know, since Russians tend to actually sound like Russians. Major plot failure (but I haven't played yet, so if there's an excellent reason why it had to be this guy, do tell). --203.219.135.1 07:29, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

To your question about if there is a good reason, there is, in a sense: {SPOILER}

In the end of the game, you find out that Shepard was actually working, for a time being, with Makarov, though for his own reasons. Since it is implied that he also told Makarov about Allen's identity, it could be reasoned that he choose someone without an accent to make it easier to recognize the undercover. It could also be said that Shepard did not tell Makarov about the undercover, and instead choose someone without an accent so that he could come to the conclusion on his own. The Gamer 13 05:36, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Well, Allen was taken from TF141 for this mission, he was re-assigned then sent on the mission. Secondly, If Allen was not to be sent on the mission, it is likely that Allen would have been the main character and not 'Roach'. Doc.Richtofen 18:21, November 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * In addition, we don't hear Allen speak during No Russian, or his tenure as a "terrorist". It's entirely possible that he put on a fake accent...Russian isn't that difficult an accent to falsify, and some people (Myself included) are good enough at it to fool people. Maybe not from the country, but with a dialect coach, and maybe some surgery to the voice box, who knows.

In Museum?
And which one is that supposed to be? The one Makarov grabs in the short animation, the one standing next to him? Or who? 92.229.183.64 23:35, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * I always thought it was the one Makarov grabs in the animation, but there is no definitive proof. Moozipan Cheese 00:16, November 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you guys think you could pull an image of Allen from the Museum? --


 * I'm fairly sure Allen does not appear in the Museum - the tattoos don't match 04:36, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * According to the Museum article, its actually Kiril, not Allen. Moozipan Cheese 21:48, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

picture
hey is that picture on his page actually real? can anyone confirm this?-- 01:04, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Yep. It's seen in a cutscene. 01:10, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Rangers?
Joseph Allen was in the C.I.A and later TF141, also the Ranger. I think he should be under C.I.A faction. Doc.Richtofen 18:26, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

The Chest
The pic we have of him kinda creeps me out...when I want to see a character I don't want to see their bare chest staring back at me...shudder

Random Man 0213 22:30, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Hahah lol, yah, same with me I'd rather see a face 22:33, November 19, 2009 (UTC) Unfortunetly, in first person shooters you don't see the faces.

i found a picture of his face from a no clip cheat do you guys want me to put it on????

I would like to see some proof of it before you put it on the article. Cpl. Wilding 00:30, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

No one can ever figure out the faces of the playable characters, with the exception of Soap. Say even if one uses the noclip cheat to look at Roach during Loose Ends, he is headless, because they only used visible body parts for the death scene.

( EvErLoyaLEagLE Talk 01:17, August 7, 2010 (UTC))

Trivia
On Allen being one of the playable characters that speaks. There are not only four characters that speak in the nazi zombie game mode. Dempsey, Nikolai, Takeo, Richtofen and the four matines in verruckt. Doc.Richtofen 16:23, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Allen speaks before a mission?
Which mission actually, I checked all mission before he dies, and I didn't find him talking.

Okay, nevermind, he speak before Cliffhanger

--Anon 09:05, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

he speaks in the no russian dialouge read again.

Questions
Which cutscene/level does he talk in and which cutscene shows his chest? . 04:14, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

The cutscene before Cliffhanger. 04:16, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Allen's body
How exaclty is that his body? There's no armor, it's nowhere near where he died and no one moved him and 'he' is laying next to a pair of dead civvies.

I've been curious about this as well. He died in a place no where near dead civilians.IIID Empire 21:55, Dec.02, 09

Yeah, I don't think that's his body. Should be removed. Moozipan Cheese 10:53, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Agreed.IIID Empire 09:55, Dec.03, 09

His face
On Soap's page it says you can see Private Allen's face. Can someone confirm this? Cpl. Wilding 22:22, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

At one point, it was stated on Allen's page that his face can be seen in the museum. That is now known to be a mistake. It looks like someone recently removed the reference to Allen from Soap's page. --Ant423 18:23, December 15, 2009 (UTC)Ant423

In Machinima's new "No Russian" video, it shows "Allen" as Makarov shoots him, but I'm not sure how reliable that is.

I don't think it is reliable. Looks fan-made.IIID Empire 00:07, March 11, 10.

In the No Russian Machinima I think it is Viktor or it's actually Allen but I doubt it's Allen.PFC Soap Of course that can't be Allen in the museum. The only faces you see there are the NPCs. And Allen is certainly a Playable character.Project Harbinger 16:22, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I watched it an in the end, it says that it was published by Activision. - (Lisle202)71.202.109.45 05:47, June 15, 2010 (UTC)]

CoD4 Picture
I have no idea why anyone would put a picture of Pvt. Allen from Modern Warfare 1 on this page, as Joseph Allenn would have been only 17 at the time, and it is illegal to join and serve in the armed forces if you are under the age of 18. Can anybody comment on this for me? Agree/Disagree? PShizzzzle 01:27, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's been removed, seeing as how they're not the same individual. Mechanical 42 19:52, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

They need a picture of his face. So many people are wondering...Cpl. Dunn 23:22, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

His face was never showed, thus it's impossible to have a picture of his face. CujoTwoOne 23:39, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Announcer?
Who the heck is the announcer for the Army Rangers in multiplayer? According to this page, it's Allen. However, another page states that it's Colonel Marshall (From Whiskey Hotel), and Dunn's page says it's him. How can 3 people be the announcer at the same time? Is there any proof that it's either of them? --Ant423 16:45, December 22, 2009 (UTC)Ant423

It's Allen. The announcer has the same voice actor as Allen. -- Batman Rider 16:55, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much for clarifying. Is there any place where I can see the list of voice actors? Ant423 17:11, January 24, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

Well, actually now I'm starting to doubt myself on that subject. Let me ask some one else. -- Batman Rider 19:14, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that the multiplayer announcer always yells his lines, which is something Allen never does in singleplayer (His only dialogue is spoken in a calm voice) so it's hard to tell if the voice is the same. It's definitely not Colonel Marshall; I replayed Whiskey Hotel recently and Marshall sounds nothing like the multiplayer announcer. That's why I've always assumed it's Dunn, as the voice seems closest to him. Also, Dunn is a prominent character in the Rangers' singleplayer storyline and he's a corporal (assuming the rangers you control in MP are privates, he has some authority over them) so plotwise, it makes most sense for it to be Dunn. Ant423 19:28, January 24, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

It's definately NOT Dunn. I've been playing multiplayer since Novemeber (xbox and PC) and I also extracted ALL voice files (Just to have all the things Dunn says) from the PC version and the Rangers announcer is not Dunn. I can't say which of the others it is however. Also I'd like to point out that I'm a HUGE fan of Barry Pepper and I can easily tell his voice when I hear it. -- AidaAtoli 12:05, February 19, 2010 (UTC)AidaAtoli

CoD: 1 Reference
That's a really vague reference... --  T    C    E   09:10, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

PFC?
Sorry but does PFC stand for private first class?66.169.184.159 01:45, April 7, 2010 (UTC)John Soap

Yes it does.  Lt. Dunn  Talk  01:46, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

No Russian
Why did Shepard send a private first class or a PFC because I thought since he was a lower class he wouldn't care.

PFC Soap 02:17, April 7, 2010 (UTC) PFC SOAP

He didnt care about him, and he could just say oh, he went rogue or he died during a firefight since he wasnt very important not alot of people would notice his gone. he saw him in combat and saw he would be useful

69.242.198.61 00:27, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Found out what allen(and roach) looked like
Just watch this video, it shows Allen in no russian camo, and Roach watching the no russian vid, with actual in game models.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmt9Xk-PIGE&feature=related

First of all sign your posts second that wasn't Roach.PFC Soap

Those aren't Allen and Roach. The're just in-game models used as a step-in for them. Roach's model especially would most likely be a TF141 model.

EvErLoyaLEagLE (5/19/2010) 1:25pmPST/CA,U.S.A.

Russian Tattoos
Does anybody else notice that there is a major plot hole here?

Shephard's plan was to have Allen shot, and the Russians find his body as an American. Of course, Allen couldn't just walk in and say "Oh, hi Makarov! Can I join your terrorist organization?" So, Allen was put in a Russian Gulag/Prison (from what I assume), and this is why he has the tattoo on his chest, because as the main page says... "Each steeple represents each sentence." But here's where the plot starts getting muddy. When Makarov went in using American weapons/speaking in English, they wanted them to make the Russian gov't think that the Americans were attacking. After Allen was shot and left for dead, the Russian FSB agent runs up and notices that he's an American. Here's my question:

'''How was Allen found as an American if he had Russian tattoos on his chest? '''

It just doesn't make any sense to me. Discuss please. Frohman  ( Brony )   ( For )   ( Life )  08:03, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

His full body is seen in MW3 flashback
I believe I saw five terrorists in Yuri's flashback and one of them is actually Allen. Getting a good screenshot of his body would require some noclip cheats, which I'm not capable of doing. Could someone provide this screenshot so it can be used as article's main photo? Xeoxer 21:21, November 15, 2011 (UTC)