Call of Duty Wiki:ATEFI

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Introduction
The Alliance to End firearm Ignorance (henceforth referred to as the ATEFI) is a group of users on this wiki, founded by me, SaintofLosAngelesXD(m), that cannot stand when people are stupid, misinformed, idiotic, and otherwise ignorant about firearms and firearm related subjects. We do not expect everyone to be as knowledgeable about firearms as we are, we simply expect that people have at least some basic knowledge, especially if one plays shooter video games. We have little problem with those who are aware of their lack of knowledge of firearms, though we will still correct them if they are wrong. Our biggest problem is with those who claim to be knowledgeable about firearms, but are in reality quite ignorant. If you are a member, please feel free to make additions to this page wherever you see fit!

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Examples of ignorance
Examples include, but are not limited to:
 * Misuse of terminology
 * ex. calling a "magazine" a "clip"
 * ex. calling a complete cartridge a bullet
 * Assuming every gun of a certain classification is a well-known example of that classification
 * ex. thinking every assault rifle is an AK-47, or "AK"
 * ex. thinking every submachine gun is an Uzi
 * ex. thinking every semi-automatic handgun is a Glock
 * Believing oneself to be knowledgeable about firearms only because one has played a shooter video game
 * Thinking that simply because a gun is short, it is a submachine gun
 * ex. the G36c
 * ex. the AKS-47u
 * Presuming that all guns of a certain classification share the same characteristics as all other guns of that classification
 * ex. thinking all shotguns make a "chk-chk" sound
 * General stupidity
 * ex. thinking the entire cartridge exits out the end of the barrel
 * ex. thinking an M134 minigun actually can fire infinitely as long as it doesn't overheat
 * ex. thinking all stealth missions have the soldiers using silenced MP5s

(We recognize that to create an enjoyable video game, it is sometimes necessary to skimp on details and accuracy, and therefore do not hold the developers in complete contempt for certain errors)

Members

 * SaintofLosAngelesXD(m) (founder)*
 * Maj.Gage (creative designer)*
 * Akyoyo*
 * Callofduty4*
 * Gen.Cain
 * Ghost Leader
 * J-money
 * Chantufan
 * Rasmus Nicholson
 * EightOhEight
 * EnemyOfMyEnemy
 * II Superlative
 * Peter Griffen Boy
 * Griever0311
 * CoD addict
 * Dbx25
 * Doc.Richtofen
 * AdvancedRookie
 * Casual T
 * Achronos-117
 * Shotty729
 * Cpl. Wilding
 * Poketape
 * DEathgod65
 * TNT LotLP
 * Tehpwnage22
 * xXFlyinCowXx
 * Mishulover69
 * Pvt.Peter Kendell
 * DevilWarrior112
 * Codfan
 * Decster97
 * Niel15
 * Mr. Pie
 * Razgriez
 * Shockwolf10
 * Steel Czar
 * Era of Anarchy
 * Yeshwa1
 * Redmax29
 * Resnov1997
 * Cheesytom
 * WhammyKing121
 * Alex Martin Rider
 * Predator B
 * Juan José Rodriguez
 * Warpanda13
 * Pvt. Reddenbawker
 * Calool
 * LITE992
 * Nickshooter23
 * Blemo
 * 7th Body
 * Brothertim
 * Armyguy277
 * Sidewinder82
 * Nelo Angelo97
 * Sactage
 * Novangel
 * KenLee318
 * Bartekko
 * Outlaw 2-5
 * Cpl. Dunn
 * Zaqq
 * Gen.Cain
 * Mikeh12
 * MerchantofDeath
 * Ak47anihilator
 * BayHarborButcher
 * Mad Miller
 * Dolten
 * Alex gunny walker
 * COOPERx223x
 * Test35965
 * Squelliot
 * Hk37
 * Captain Knutzen
 * Price25
 * Alexwalker
 * Dark Frager
 * SMS1996
 * Drjuki
 * Darthkenobi0
 * Helix Armada
 * Sith Venator
 * Smuff
 * Heatedpete
 * Chipgambino

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Actions taken and tactics used against the ignorant
Retaliation against ignorance by the members of the ATEFI include, but are not limited to:
 * Quizzing on technical and historical aspects of firearms
 * ex caliber, magazine size, variants, years of service, countries used by etc.
 * Insulting
 * Refusing to speak to
 * Public humiliation
 * Minimal blocking (i.e. for an hour or two) for major infractions
 * Various other payback

(Please understand that some of these punishments are not acceptable for use on the Call of Duty wiki, per our user treatment policy)

Experiences with the ignorant
Members, feel free to place examples of personal experiences with those ignorant about firearms in this section.

SaintofLosAngelesXD(m)

 * I was talking a guy who saw an rifle (Beretta RX4 Storm) and called it an AK-47. I proceeded to quiz him on the AK-47. When I asked him what "AK-47" stood for, he said "Awesome Karbine 47-bullet clip". When I asked him what caliber it was, and he said .50 BMG, which he referred to as "the bullet the Deagle shoots", and he also thought "BMG" stood for "big massive gun". I subsequently ordered him out of my house.


 * I was at my friend's house, and his son (my godson) was playing war with his friends. One of them was running around with an Airsoft model of an M1014. Every time he "fired" it, he would make a "chk-chk" sound. I pulled him aside and said, "I'm terribly sorry, but the M1014 does not make a 'chk-chk' sound," much to the amusement of my godson.


 * I was at a cafe with my girlfriend, and a little kid was talking to his friends about Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. He made an ignorant comment, and I proceeded to correct him. Here is a rough outline of the conversation that followed:
 * Kid: ...yeah, I just wished flashbangs existed in real life. Man, that would be friggin' sweet.


 * Me: Uh, kid? Flashbangs do exist.


 * Kid: *Kid stares blankly* No they don't.


 * Me: Yeah, they do. They're used pretty heavily by the S.A.S.


 * Kid: Dude, what are you talking about? The S.A.S. isn't real. Tryarch just made it up for Cod Mod 1.


 * Me: Uh, three things. First, the S.A.S. is definitely real. Second, Infinity Ward made CoD4, not Treyarch. Third, Cod Mod 1? Who the hell calls it that?


 * Kid: Oh, I guess now you're going to tell me that they actually make a full auto shottygun.


 * Me: Uh, yeah, they do. The AA-12 has been around since the '70's, actually.


 * Kid: Whatever man, you're fuckin' retarded.


 * Me: What are you, like eight years old? Don't swear at me. And I'm retarded? How about you try checking Wikipedia sometime?


 * Kid: Huh, I suppose Wikipedia told you that Predator missiles are real too.


 * My girlfriend: Okay, kid, you're obviously an idiot, so you can just shut up and have fun with the rest of your life. Let's go, Spencer. *We get up to leave*


 * Kid, to his friends as we're leaving: Holy shit, those guys were dumb. So, does anybody else think Ghost is Gaz? 'Cuz I've got a few theories... *I tense up in anger*


 * My girlfriend: Just let it go, sweety, just let it go.

Maj.Gage

 * My friend at school asked me "Did you strike the firing pin in the bullet?", and I replied "The firing pin is in the gun, not the bullet dumbass."

Akyoyo

 * I was talking to my "cousin" (his real relation to me is a little more complicated), and he was playing with some airsoft pistols. He was only about 7 years old, so, needless to say, he called the magazine a clip. I tried politely convincing him that it's called a magazine, but he swore left and right that it was called a clip, because of the sound the magazine made going into the magazine well. I told him with that logic, toast should be called "Errch", an onomatopoeia of the sound you make when you eat it. But he's seven, so it was no use.
 * Another little kid thought that my airsoft gun was an "AK". I was using a pistol.

J-money

 * I'm pretty sure this is a ATEFI worthy story since it is a NO BRAINER: So there's this guy that goes to my school, his name is Zach, but for this purpose we will refer to him as Sack. So we were playin some CoD4 one day and he was getting pissed cause he was sucking really bad, which he does all the time. So he said (sorry for the caps lock) "I JUST FIRED A WHOLE ROUND INTO THAT GUY AND IT DIDN'T KILL HIM." He was using an SMG or an assault rifle. I said "Dude I hope didn't take one round to kill him, I think you mean a magazine instead of round." And he started getting pissed again.

Peter Griffen Boy

 * People who think that they may be able to use any type of ammuntion with any type of gun. People think using .45 ammuniton in a M1911 is stupid and that we should use the most power ammuntion we can find and use it instead, it does get rather annoying when people do this, as they're just to stupid to know what a round and a bullet is when compared.
 * People who think Marines are trained to use two one-hundred and twenty shotguns to rush the enemy and kill them quickly, and when we need to pull the level, we spin it around our fingers. I mean for real, these shotguns are powerful in the game. But you get broken wrists from the re-coil and broken fingers from the spinning of the guns. I'd rather have to face a room full of terrorists with AKs with a M9, instead of with two shotguns.

Callofduty4

 * I was on a public transport bus, and the two kids behind me were talking about Modern Warfare 2. They almost gave me a brain hemorrhage. They couldn't have been more wrong. They actually thought that the US army still used Model 1887s and Double barreled shotguns. They also thought that it was possible to wield two Model 1887s, because they saw Arnold Swarzenegger do it. That was only the tip of the iceberg.

Rasmus Nicholson

 * I was in school class, the last class (yay!) well I was talking with my friend about the tommy gun then in recess we continued talking about it, untill 2 kids talking about UMP started saying: did you know that the 45 of the UMP is not of the caliber but is the year it was designed? then the other kid said: you´re dumb are you right? the 45 is for the clip size! Oh shit you can imagine the rest.


 * I was hanging out with friends on starbucks, just when I see a bunch of kids talking about MW2, then in a few seconds a kid says: you know what would be cool? that EOTech really have the reticule! Well I just calmly said: dude, EOTech technology uses the reticule. kid: of course not! its like saying that heartbeat exist´s! me: well, my dad serves service at Colombian army and he mounted an EOTech on his M4, even I have one in my home and it works perfectly. After that the kid maked silence, I just go back to my home.

Ghost Leader

 * (Random YouTube comment I read once)
 * "No, no, you got it all wrong! The M16A2 fires 3 round bursts and full auto, the M16A3 is a 7.62mm belt-fed version of the A2 designed as a heavy machine gun, there's no such thing as an M16A4, the M4 fires 2 round burst, 3 round burst, and full auto, and the M4A1 only fires full auto and has a quick-change barrel. Trust me, I'm a staff sergeant in the US Coast Guard!"


 * Needless to say, I laughed for days at this comment. XD

CoD addict

 * One of my friends at school (who lies alot) says that some guy got his arm blown off by shooting an M82 from the hip. He also says that the Barrett M82 cannot accept a suppressor.
 * Pretty much all of my friends think that the Intervention is a rifle: not so. It is the complete package, including the CheyTac M200, optics, and electronic range finder.
 * I always meet tards who don't know this (I don't care if you don't know some of this, but all my friends know is what is in-game, grrr....):
 * M16A1: Full auto, semi auto, safe. Full stock. (Retired).
 * XM177: 10 inch barrel variant of M16A1. (USAF, retired).
 * M16A2: Three round burst, semi, safe. Improvements over M16A1: Brass deflector added, better forward assists, heavier barrel, muzzle compensator, and retractable stock added. (Army, mostly retired, some USMC).
 * M16A3: Full, semi, safe (Navy model, only they use it as far as I know). All above improvements over M16A1, Full stock, removable carry handle. (Used by US Navy).
 * M16A4: Three round burst, semi, safe. Replaced M16A2. M16A2 plus more improvements: Rail system, modular full stock/crane stock, removable carry handle. (Standard rifle of the USMC, some Army).
 * M4 Carbine: Three round burst, semi, safe. Rail System, shorter barrel. Retractable stock. (Army, USAF).
 * M4A1: Full auto, semi, safe. Rail system, shorter barrel. Retractable stock. No improvements over M4, but full auto is included. (Army, USAF).
 * I once saw an edit that said "It seems, wwhen you reload an M4 in game, the player presses and indvisible button on the side of the gun". 3 spelling errors, 2 punctuation errors, 1 BIG FAT CASE OF FIREARM IGNORANCE!

Casual_T

 * After I bought my M14S, my dad refinished the stocks. When my sister saw it she said "OH MY GOD, is there a gun in that?"
 * NO! Its a stock idiot!


 * I was looking at pictures of guns on a school computer (after school) and a guy said "Why do you like guns?" I said "Why do you like Xbox 360?" He said "Cause it doesn't kill people." So this guy plays 360 for the specific reason that it WON'T kill anyone.


 * My friend was talking to a friend of his about MW2 the day after it came out, and I happened to overhear. He said "Dude, have you seen the new Call of Duty? There's a new M16 in the game, it's called the FAMOUS!". Obviously he thought that the FAMAS was an M16 because of the three-round burst.


 * My teacher on an M1 Garand "Is that a bolt action?"


 * I generally just get a lot of BS from my friends in German class about any gun in any CoD.
 * eg.
 * -The Steyr AUG is NOT an assault rifle they say. It clearly says LMG.
 * -The TAR-21 means Top Assault Rifle.
 * -The TAR-21 has actual tar to lubricate it as oil, hence the name.
 * -The whole M1 Garand ping sound and mid-clip reloading argument. Come on, don't argue with me, I own one.
 * -Them thinking that the Desert Eagle is general issue.
 * -All M16s are full auto.
 * -Clip/mag and cartridge/bullet arguments.
 * -"When they put the AK74U in CoD4, they spelled it wrong. It's supposed to be AK47U".
 * -Gewehr is pronounced as GOO-ER.

Poketape

 * I hate when people say they love the Model 1887s and how the army must still use them everywhere because of how powerful they are in the game.

Chantufan
OK, I have heard people call the listed guns the listed WRONG names.

FAMAS isn't a famous

FAL isn't a fall, fail

Gewehr isn't a goo-er

Thompson isn't a tommy gun, thompson (without silent H)

UMP isn't a ump, hump

SCAR isn't a scar (I usually don't care if SCAR is said this way as long as people know that it's a SCAR, not a scar.)

Desert Eagle isn't a deagle

Cheytac 200 isn't a Intervention (The Cheytac Intervention is actually a weapons system ,not a weapon for those not in ATEFI.

TNT LotLP
I saw a cellphone picture of one of my co-workers firing what looked like some kind of LMG, mainly due to the magazine of the weapon (hard to make out, it was very blurry) so I said. "Huh, don't know what you're firing there, but it's some kind of light machine gun/support weapon." to which he replied. "No dude, it's a MAG!" Bah, seriously?

II Superlative
Things that people have believed:

That the Barrett 50cal is actually called that, not the M82A1.

That the FAMAS is only capable of burst fire.

That you can actually fire a Barrett M82A1 or Cheytac Intervention accurately from the shoulder or hip.

That the recoil involved in dual wielding two heavy 120 year old lever action shotguns is actually controllable and that it wouldn't break your fingers when you try to spin-cock them.

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Cpl. Wilding
My friend's dad was listening to us talk about WWII bolt-action rifles, like the Springfield and Kar98k. He commented to us that we were wrong and that you could just keep pulling the trigger then pull the bolt back and reload. I told him that my grandfather has a Korean bolt-action rifle, and that he told me that to use it you need to rotate the bolt every time you fire. He kept insisting he was right. I told him that he doesn't understand the concept of "bolt-action" and to please locate and research the term on Wikipedia. He hasn't talked to me directly since.

Mr. Pie

 * A friend and I were online when we met some little kid (I can't remember his tag, but it had "jew" somewhere in it) who claimed to own an AK-47. Immediately, we called BS and proceeded to ask him what caliber "his gun" used. Right after we asked him, though, we heard him put his microphone down and, shortly after, the game started to lag, enough for us to claim that he was looking on Wikipedia for the answer when he came back. His response: "Why are you talking about something that has nothing to do with the game?" which was ironic because the game we were playing was Gears of War, making what we said as irrelevant to the game as irrelevant as anything he said. After a few more minutes of verbal abuse from us and the couple on our team (they sent us friend requests afterwards), the little snot quit.


 * The reason I don't read my local newspaper anymore: "They were seen firing rounds of cartridges"


 * In history class, we were watching a movie on the Civil War, and our teacher paused to explain bayonets and their use. My friends and I nearly fell out of our seats laughing after a student asked, "So, you put the bayonet on and you can shoot a knife from the gun?"


 * Team Deathmatch on Crossfire:

Ignoramus: What's everyone using?

Me: M14.

Ignoramus: M14 sucks dude, use an M16, it's the best gun.

Me: Shut your face. The M14 would have kept Ivan out of Korea and your little .223 BB-gun lost 3 wars.

Ignoramus: (shuts up for the rest of the game)


 * An employee of a local airsoft shop keeps an airsoft gun he uses on people who call machine pistols such as the MAC-10 "Uzis." I've seen it happen. Respect.


 * Zombie discussion with my friends in English class. A kid was talking about how the M1A1 Carbine, or "the gun on the cover of the Zombie Survival Guide" would be the best gun to have. I told him that one, not having a folding stock, the weapon is not an M1A1 but an M1, two, there is no all-around best weapon in a zombie invasion or otherwise, and, three, that the M1 Carbine is far from the best choice for rifles because .30 Carbine is quite rare (he thought it shot .30-'06). His reply: "Well, you'll still want me on your side because I get a lot of headshots in Combat Arms." Haven't taken him seriously since.

Razgriez

 * A big issue, is listening to anyone say "Well the 1994 U.S. Assault Weapons Ban prevents dangerous Machine guns from being made available to the public and criminals". This annoys me to no end for several reasons. 1. the AWB did NONE of that. Fully Automatic weapons have been banned/restricted from Civilian ownership since before World War II. It banned weapons by features or looks such as pistol grips, detachable magazines (any kind, even 5 or 10 shot rifle/pistol magazines) . One of the most ardent supporters wanted to ban barrel shrouds (for those that don't know, a barrel shroud is a vented metal or plastic device that surrounds the barrel to allow better aim/safer control of the gun, and to prevent burning you're hand on the hot barrel after prolonged firing, YES even Single shot, or semi auto guns can have their barrels heat up. I've seen someone burn their hand by touching a break action single shot 20 gauge shot gun after a good number of shots were fired from it). When asked what a Barrel shroud was, she replied "I actually don't know what a barrel shroud is... I believe it is a shoulder thing that goes up.". 2. Just because a weapon may be based on an assault rifle, does not make it an assault rifle. there are Civilian legal semi auto fire arms, like those based on the AR-15, popular for target shooting and hunters.
 * People who call Assault rifle or Semi Automatic rifle based on an Assault rifle, "Machine Guns". Semi Automatic Trigger, + 10-15 round magazines does not constitute "machine gun"

Redmax29
Just PM me for examples but I have too many examples! here's one there is no such thing as the best gun, every firearm has it's own specialty and is used for different reasons and full auto or lightning linked or high caliber doesn't make it "strong" i am also sick of people talking like rofl, lol, ppl, brb and other shit, learn to spell!

DevilWarrior112

 * Something in school. Last year, talking about World at War. I said to my mate that the PPSH-41 was a submachine-gun but he said it was a machine-gun. I was like "What?" and he kept saying it. My other mates kept saying it was a submachine-gun. Eventually he gave up and told me I was a bastard.
 * Before COD4 came out, I was talking about the Barrett .50 Cal with my dad. He said the B stood for bolt-action!!!!!

Doc.Richtofen

 * My Brother: What's a firearm?
 * My Brother: What's Firearm Ignorance?
 * My Brother: You could easily flip Akimbo Model 1887's!

Slowrider7
So me, my friend Michael, my neighbor Cody, and Codys friend Jamie were all firing my airsoft guns. Jamie was saying he would want to be a SWAT Team officer when he grows up. Here is the word for word:

Jamie: Yeah man, I would throw a Flash Grenade and then shoot my AK-47 'till all 100 bullets are gone.

(Me & Michael, already rolling on the floor laughing, say:)

Me: Oh yeah man? What is your side-arm?

Jamie: Akimbo Desert Eagles like I do in Call of Duty!

I statred crying, srsly.

Codfan
Once I went over to my friend's house and started playing the spec ops mission, Sniper Fi. He keeps saying to use my beretta, I'm like there's no M9's in this mission. I realize he means the Barrett .50 cal, I tell him it was a Barrett .50 cal. Then he tells me again to pick up my Beretta, I told him it was a Barret but he's like, no it says Beretta. I don't know if he either can't read, or he doesn't know what gun that is. My friend doesn't know what a cutts compensator is, he thinks it's the cocking handle for the Thomspon. -_- My friends think the SCAR-H is an assault rifle. The biggest problem is that the G18 isn't a G18, but a G17 with a modification(in the game). My friend thinks that the AA-12 doesn't exist. He thinks that the AK-47 is the most accurate gun in the world. My friends can't see the difference between the AKM and the AK-47. My friend think that the riot shield can block 5000 rounds from a minigun. My friend thinks that the M1 Garand is a bolt action rifle. -_- I have more stories than this, I just have to crack my head for it. Anyways, it's 12:15 here in SoCal and I gots to sleep. My friend thinks the AA-12 stands for Auto Assault Shotgun. They think the AUG is a LMG because it says so in the game.

Once, my friend has fake wooden springfield.

him: I'm gonna take my M1 Garand for my history report presentation. (holds up his fake springfield)

me: Dude, that's a springfield.

him: It's a garand

me: no it's a springfield, look at the bolt

him: ya it's a garand

me: that's a bolt action rifle!

him: ya garand was bolt action you idiot!

me: no the garand is semiautomatic

him: ya! look at the bolt! you cock that one time, then after the next shot you cock it again!

me: Oh ya. Then what does a bolt action do?

him: It fires as long as you pull the trigger after the next shot you dumbass! Don't you know anything about guns?

me: that's a bolt action springfield!

him: it's a semiautomatic garand!

me: sigh.

Sharky boi
(Me and my mate are playing the favela mission on MW2 when he walks past a Model 1887)

Me: Hey look, jeez they're goin back a bit with that gun.

My mate: What that shotgun?

Me: Yeah.

My mate: Its not real.

Me: Yes it is.

My mate: No its not, they did'nt have shotguns back in the 1800's, just pistol's.

(i give him a blank look, he pauses the game.)

My mate: What?

Me: Your an absolute idiot, the had muskets, pistols, stationary Machine guns and the Brit's the Lee Einfeld in the 1890's.

My mate: its FAKE! I'll prove it to you. I've done this mission, i've used this gun before.

(He unpauses the game and picks up the model 1887.)

My mate: look at the lever on the handle, all shotguns have them on the barrel and look, it has blue bullets, all bullets are red.

Me: Theyre meant to be blue SHELLS, not all shotguns are pump-action and ITS REAL!

My mate: No its not.

(i sit back in the chair and give him a blank look.)

My mate: i told you.

Me: (muttering) ohhhh for gods sake.

My brother actually thought that the AK-47 was a chinese assault rifle. grrrr.

see also User:Callofduty4/ATEFI

7th Body

My friend Collin comes over to play Nazi Zombies. He goes to the Random Box. He says:

"I'm gonna get the Desert Eagle!"

Me: "This is World War 2"

Collin: Yeah. Your point is?"

Me: Desert Eagle is modern idiot."

Collin: Is it really?"

Army guy 277
When pepole think the AUG HBAR is a Assualt rifle and the normal AUG is a light machine gun no the hbar stands for heavy barled atomatic rifle.witch makes it a LMG

and i think this was already said but now the deagle is not the desert eagle.

Another big thing is pepole Call the Stg-44 the MP-44 there was no such thingfirst it was the Mp-43 but when hitlier got to see the wepon he renamed it the storm wepon 44 or the STG-44

and the by far biggest thing is pepole who think that the PTRS-41 is a Fucking sniper rifle

Shockwolf10
In class, our history teacher was showing us political cartoons about gun control. There was one that had a hand in the shape of a gun pointing at a hand carrying what was clearly a machine pistol (Looked to be a Mini Uzi from where I was because of the shape and ironsights, but I'm nearsighted and sit kind of far from the board). She said "I think that's a semi-automatic pistol." I took a closer look and saw the extended mag. "No, that's a machine pistol, look at the extended mag." I realize that people can/do extend the mags of semi-autos, but this was a political cartoon, so it was probably meant to be a machine pistol.

LITE992*
Here's some examples of kids (or other people) and what they think. Failures.
 * Shotguns can only shoot as far as they can in CoD.
 * No-scoping makes the bullet go anywhere but straight.
 * The Model 1887 has the perfect range for a shotgun.
 * The Model 1887 was the first shogun ever made.
 * All sniper teams use M21s.
 * Pistols need to be held Tactical Knife-style.
 * It's not the CheyTac M200. It clearly says Intervention.
 * The M4A1 SOPMOD consists of a Red Dot Sight, Silencer, and Grenade Launcher. Nothing else.

daoneandonlyharry
I laughed when I heard that Washington State's government was proposing a ban on all guns with clips bigger than 10 rounds. It truly made me laugh. It's like, USP .45 has just been outlawed, but AA-12 and M82 haven't. It's just so ridiculously apparent that whoever wrote the bill has never seen, touched, or studied guns.

Zaqq

 * I laughed when read post where someone said that his grandpa hunting rifle is better than AA-12.
 * I laugh every time, when someone place TAR-21's MARS sight like that.

Brothertim
I understand this isn't directly corresponding to an ignorance story, but it makes me laugh after reading daoneandonlyharry's post, it reminded me about the firearm laws in america.

I find it very wierd that:


 * You CANNOT buy a full-auto handgun (even a .22lr), a suppressor, or put a front grip/retractable stock on a handgun (google the GSG5-PK for what I mean) without paying lots of tax, or registering it through BATFE


 * You CAN, however, walk into a gun shop and walk out with a .50 BMG rifle and a very nice scope (except california).

Gen.Cain
(Sorry for the spelling errors)

I know there are so many stories like this but i must share it. I was at a cousins house for the holidays and my Grandparents haveing no idea what they got me(it was an airsoft M16) I opened it and my cousin screamed how come [insert my name here] gets a terriorist gun and i get a lego. Upon which my grandpa goes why did i get you an AK-47 are you trying to join a terrorist group. Me and my dad (who plays and sucks at COD) were hysterical

One day for comunity service me and my friend were helping at a book fair. We were helping read to 1st graders, these three kids come up to me and my friend and go, read this page to us (its a picture). Then the kids take it back and start saying oh look at the U.S marines shooting their tommy guns. It was a pitcure of some terrorists with AK-47's you can imagine my expression.

Dolten
Ok, I was at school about 2 years ago, talking to this dude who's dad owns a gun shop.

Heres a little outline

Dude: *shows a pitcure of a "grease gun"* Take a look my dad just got me a MP-40

Me: Really? Thats not a MP-40 yo.

Dude: Bullshit

Me: For real, it's amarican made.

Dude: NO IT ISNT!!

Me: Ok look see that tiny "stock" the MP-40 has NO stock and even the ones that do have more than that wire.

Dude: You're full of shit man, and there is no such thing as a grease gun.

I break out my psp, get to the pitcure of a MP-40

Me:Ok look at that.

Pitcure of a grease gun.

Dude:......... there the same thing.

Me:Never-fucking-mind

Alright, you know how people think the AUG HBAR is a LMG and CANNOT be anything else? well I have a AUG A3 showed it to a friend of mine, he said "I didn't know you had a mechine gun!!!" enough said.

CODGOD really said "add ar15" at http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:XxATDxX/Modern_Warfare_3

Test35965
Bruce Willis calling an M4 a fully automatic UZI while on letterman.

SMS1996

 * A conversation with me, and three friends about MW2.

Ledj: Which would you guys prefer? SCAR-H or M16?

Cris: I would get the SCAR because it can get one shot kills above the neck.

Me: You know that's only in-game right?

Cris: No, it can do that, even when shot on the foot!

Me: *facepalm*

Cris: I'll show you! I can use it to get that tactical bomb thingy.

Me: *blank stare with mouth slightly open*


 * My sister calling the MP5k an MPk5. Epic fail.

Drjuki

 * Me and my friend live right next door to each other so we're hoppin the fence with my toy Uzi and this conversation appears.

My friend: dude, let's go get your Uzi out of your closet and play with it.

Me: Uh, I'm holdin' my Uzi

Friend: No your other one is a Uzi.

Me: You mean my Micro-Uzi?

Friend: No that's an Uzi, there is no Micro Uzi.

Me: Yeah there is, there's the Uzi, (shows him toy Uzi) Uzi Carbine, Mini Uzi, and Micro Uzi.

Friend: No! theres only the Uzi!

Me: Then whats this (shows him Uzi).

Friend: (Blank stare)

Friend: (10 Seconds later) I don't know, I just know it's not an Uzi!

Me: come with me

(I brought him to my house and show him the IMFDB page for Uzis)

Me: There.

Friend: (Reads) That's the Internet It's just fake.

Me: Whatever.

we got into a big blowout if the Single atcion army is called the peacekeeper or the peacemaker. I kept telling him it's the latter but he wouldn't give. 3 weeks later I showed him the IMFDB page for the SAA and he finally gave in.
 * At school theres this kid who disagrees with evrything I say, to give you an example he still thinks Cod 7 Is gonna be MW3, and one time

HeatedPete

 * while i was talking to some friends at school (on a friday morning) i noticed outside some idiotic year 7s having an argument. my div tutor told me to walk outside and ask what's going on, so i did. i walked outside, and guess what. it was an argument about CoD 6. one year 7 was arguing that the SCAR-H was completely and utterly accurate in CoD 6 and that all armies use it. another was arguing that the British army uses the TAR-21 because it's the most beastly of all guns. i walk up to them and ask what's going on, and i get the story. i look back inside and my div tutor is signalling me to get on with it, so i do. To the kid who said all armies use the SCAR, i show him a picture of my cousin, who's in the [British] Army, holding a L85A2 (or SA80). i ask him: 'is this a SCAR?' He says: 'well of course it is! u've got the Magazine, the trigger and the ACOG sight' (points Magazine, trigger and SUSAT scope out. i say: 'that's a SUSAT scope, the SCAR's magazine is in front of the trigger and isn't this shape, and you're wrong.' Guy who says that the British Army uses the TAR (TAR guy) says: 'Well, that's obviously a TAR-21 with ACOG sight' I resist urge to unch him in the face, and show him picture of TAR-21. TAR guy backs off. SCAR guy says: 'that's a picture of a SCAR you're holding.' He quickly went to see the school nurse afterwards.
 * My 'friend' (well, he thinks I'm his friend), who claims to know the most about Call of Duty 'in the world', said that the TMP was an UZI with a forward grip attached.
 * A year 8 called the AK-47 the 'American Killer with 47 bullets.' i then proceeded to ask him about the 47 bullets and what calibre they were. he said 'the bullets are in the Awesome calibre' and that the whole bullet (casing and all) exits the barrel and homes in on the nearest American, because he saw that on MW2

Darthkenobi0
I hear guys talking about CoD constantly at school. So many of these guys are like "dood get the uzi its better than any other weapon dood." those same guys do pot. Many of them also think that the intervention sucks monkey balls just because it's awesome XD (but really some guy didn't like it because of its sway). I knew a guy that thought the Kar98K was a full, long-barrelled rifle. Many people at school think that every weapon is just like it is in CoD. They think you can just shoot down helicopters with rifles. (Considering a chopper can kill you fast and move fast, it's pretty hard.) I know this guy who seriously thought that Makarov couldn't have killed Allen because he used an M9. (Shooting a person in the face will generally make them bleed out or do some damage to the brain region smartypants.)
 * I was watching the news, needless to say I was quite angry when some general (who had retired before the M16 had become the standard issue rifle) stated that the 5.56x45NATO round or .223 calibre as he called it (which is technically incorrect as they are SLIGHTLY different, see: 5.56x45 NATO vs .223 Remington) was an inferior round compared to the 7.62x39mm round fired by the AK-47 simply because it was smaller and "packs less of a punch". He had obviously never heard of hydro-static shock (tumbling) and obviously had no idea what the fuck he was talking about. Sure he was a general, but it is the general consensus that the 5.56 NATO is a superior round (Why the hell have we been using it for half a century, and why the hell is it an official NATO round if it isn't?) and that the AK-47, while a competent rifle, isn't QUITE the best.
 * Before I got MW2, this kid alex (no I won't capitalize that shithead's name) told me about it. He had determined that every weapon in-game was real. Except the SCAR. When I told him it was completely real he called me stupid. I'd also like to add (although it has little to do with firearms, but shows how stupidity can spread beyond firearms knowledge) that he thought that all Germans that joined the Wehrmacht (which he didn't know how to spell) the Luftwaffe (which he also didn't know how to spell) or the Kriegsmarine (which he didn't even know existed) was a Nazi, because they didn't fight the overwhelming Nazi forces. ALSO when I looked up MW2 weaponry, I found the Vector and the ACR, which are not very well known, so how the hell did he think they were real and not the SCAR which I've been dreaming about for a decade? (Yes since I was 6)
 * Who in the army decided the Beretta M9 really was superior to the M1911? Do we trade clip size for stopping power? Why don't we leave that up to individual troops?
 * Before I was educated, they had me convinced that the M16 used the 7.62x51, and that the Ak-47 did too. They also had me convinced (until I was about 10) that the M4 was the M16 with M203 attached.
 * History teacher says that the major inventions of the Great War (WWI) were:
 * Submarines (they weren't used as widely as battleships until WWII, but he thought the Germans were U-Boat crazy even then)
 * Barbed wire (not an invention, just innovatively utilized with trenches)
 * Gatling guns (NO THE F**KING MAXIM GUN WAS THE NEW ONE)
 * Airplanes (he thought that forward mounted guns would just shoot the props off like a buzz saw)
 * I've seen so many people call the FAL a medium assault rifle. It uses the 7.62x51 NATO which makes it a battle rifle. I've heard the same about the M4A1 which is a carbine (short-barreled assault-rifle in layman's terms).
 * In the MW series why do the M4A1, M16A4, ACR, FAMAS, L86, M249, TAR21 and F2000 not share ammunition? They are all STANAG standard or compatible. Major issues with this I have.
 * I've heard so many dumbasses in school talk about guns, saying the M9 is better than the M4 because it's smaller, but is just as accurate (not at range loser). That same alex kid thinks that the FAL is the best because you can get one-shot kills and head-shots with it. (Head's up mother fuckers you can do that with ANY weapon.)
 * Mythbusters think that all cartridges are equal. They pay no heed to muzzle velocity, stopping power, or the differences between the .30-06 and the 7.62x51. They also completely ignore the fact that a skilled shooter will stiffen his arm to aim with the entire arm, and aim with their wrists. They used an MP5 to try to replicate the results of the Underworld scene (I've never seen it) where (I don't know, the girl) uses a pair of modified M92's (well undefined weapons, likely fully automatic M93 modified) to shoot through a floor. They used wood instead of tile in the replica set, which affects results, they also paid no heed to the fact that the MP5 has a longer barrel and muzzle velocity than an actual pistol. When they tried shooting locks off they did not take into account that you fire at the bolt itself, at a forty-five degree angle, and instead fired at a thirty degree angle straight into the keyhole.
 * My mother and one of my best friends think that guns are evil -.-
 * Guns don't kill people. I kill people ~ some random t-shirt

 "Master Kenobi Good editing. 00:52, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

alexwalker
a guy i know keeps calling a magazine a round,

i heard a couple of people saying that a barratt is a sniper rifle that is very easy to manouver with. i told em it was an anti material rifle and it was a bugger to move around expecaly with a suppresser and carrying a load of ammo, they looked at me like i had sprouted wings and was dive bombing them with shit.