Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops/Archive 16

Has this gun been identified yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOAAWWjfG_g At around 0:20, what is that? the gamesradar logo is in the way. it is NOT the galil, as that has a carying handle on it's left side, as seen in leaked footage. my money is on the stoner 63. Play2often 00:05, September 9, 2010 (UTC) play2often


 * Looks to be HK21 -- Good editing! Darthkenobi0(talk) 00:15, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * An observation done by Morihaus says it may be a Stoner63. (Cheers Morihaus :D) EDIT: Aya! forgot to sign. Ferrariguy1000 01:12, September 9, 2010 (UTC)



I agree. it is almost definitely a Stoner LMG. which makes sense because they were used extensively by SEALS and other special ops units. and if I remember correctly it can be configured as either a light support weapon or an assault rifle. Jewfrohero 01:15, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

It looks like a modernized BAR to me. But variety is very nice. Ferrariguy1000 01:16, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * weve identified ALL of the assualts, so either it is one of them and just looks nothing like it, or it just isnt an assualt rifle. who knows. Fn Fal perhaps looololo --Ashwilson12 07:17, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yup. Definetly a Stoner 63. . 09:47, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Ferrariguy:d btw.some Ninja-Tricks are a must for good-gun-spotter:d Morihaus 14:35, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

thanks for the comparative picture morihaus. is this enought evidence to warrant the creation of a wiki page? i mean it came from actual gameplay, so what else is really needed? won't hurt to try. worst they'll do is delete it. Play2often 01:27, September 10, 2010 (UTC) play2often

IDK I'm hoping it's the Stoner 63, but I think it might be the IMI Galil? Halopete2552 1309 EST, 13 September 2010

Yes. It's actually a Stoner 63, Why did not put in the confirmed weapons list? JoeRamirez

It must be a stoner 63 I don't know why it isn't on the confirmed list yet

Vc Bookie?
http://www.google.co.uk/url?url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1632479/&rct=j&sa=X&ei=vYiGTNL8Bom74Abz-szSBA&ved=0CCMQzgQoATAA&q=IMDB+Black+Ops&usg=AFQjCNENuldZauD93hC3Tskxn6LoDhCY1g Look at the voice acting section. Kevin Trang voices Vc Bookie? 18:49, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

could be a fill in title for all VC's or NVA's Omnicube1 16:41, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

list of weapon appearences
in what videos does the HS-10 appear? and where does the olympia appear? im trying to make a list. please help me Alex dlc 21:01, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Olympia is in this vid near the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOAAWWjfG_g

classified SMG?
Ignore the big red circle, I see that there is a classified SMG on the very bottom. I know it's kinda early and we are probably not gonna know what it is until the game is released, but any guesses? My best bet is either that Calico SMG or a P90 Prototype (yea, the P90 in the 60s is retarded, but they got the FAMAS G2 Felin in which was made in 2001).

http://blackops.digitalwarfare247.com/images/weapons/sub-machine-guns/pm63/pm63-create-a-class-large.jpg

Ferrariguy1000 04:22, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Uzi, MAC-10, limitless possibilites. Not a P90 though. KillerKing17 04:24, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yea, my P90 Idea was retarded XD. But The Calico seems like it is possible. Ferrariguy1000 04:27, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

MAC-10? we already confirmed it was a MAC-11.Sgt Sprinkles 11:38, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

It might be a Mp-40, which was used by the Viet Cong.--98.27.180.142 23:08, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * A lot of things were used by the Viet Cong, and I doubt they'd put the MP-40 in there. MAT-49, MAS-38, PPSh-41, PPS-42 among others were much more common SMGs used by the Viet Cong. Even then, knowing the general style of the weaponry in the game (prototype modern weaponry), it'd most likely be something else. Japan_Flag_Bordered.png SSD  愛と平和！ 23:14, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

if its a marine weopon, which there is a possibility, that it could be a grease Gun. It was used by the United States Forces in Vietnam.--98.27.180.142 23:19, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * A Thompson would be more likely than an M3 Grease Gun, but, as I said, they'd probably go for another prototype modern weapon. Japan_Flag_Bordered.png SSD  愛と平和！ 23:26, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * May I add that the M3 was used by the US military (Especially among the special forces) all the way up to the early 80's where it was replaced by the MP5. To not have it in this game would be rather odd considering its extensive use in Vietnam. --LOST-The Cartographer 23:34, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, it's a possibility, but if this weapon is so "classified", I wouldn't see why it'd be a WWII-era weapon, unless it's not supposed to be a super-duper high tech weapon and just supposed to be something special for players. Japan_Flag_Bordered.png SSD  愛と平和！ 23:38, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

The Thompson was out of service by Vietnam, so..., i'd say that would most likely be a M3 Grease Gun. It would be more accurate than a Thompson. Hey, it's a game. ANYTHING could happen.--98.27.180.142 00:24, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Point taken. SSD 愛と平和！ 09:57, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I've heard it's an OTs-02 Kiparis, which is a Soviet SMG. But they may just say it's the MPL, as they look similar. Harv9001 10:12, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

PPsh-41 FTW A Lonely Nomad 13:39, September 11, 2010 (UTC)



Death Machine
I'm pretty sure a gatling is not what you call a light machine gun. General Geers 08:01, September 9, 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah i thought it was a killstreak

You can only get the Death Machine randomly in a care packeage. That one interview video showed it. And i guess it could be a light machine gun since he's carrying it, but it's not a primary. 69.209.199.75 20:35, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

And in sharpshooter.Sgt Sprinkles 21:02, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's technically called an HMG in real life, but they usually can't be helt while firing. But of course you won't create an article about HMGs right? 99.34.226.238 00:22, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

It could be moved to "Other", though. BRX 15:52, September 10, 2010 (UTC)BRX

wco op
I think that combat training is the only co op we get other than the zombie maps included in the collectors editions. Lamia had been saying that co op in BO was very laid back, and this would fit the bill. And sorry for the imperfect grammar; im using my Droid 2 right now. Imrlybord7 09:34, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, gamesradar seems to have good intel that we will be getting Commie Zombies (lawl). So never mind. Imrlybord7 18:02, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you have a link to the GamesRadar article? I'd like to read it for myself. Japan_Flag_Bordered.png SSD  愛と平和！ 20:18, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this is it: http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/call-of-duty-black-ops/news/new-evidence-of-zombies-in-call-of-duty-black-ops-but-why-are-they-still-not-confirmed/a-20100903104536895071/g-20100430155437473001
 * Ferrariguy1000 01:18, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ferrariguy1000 01:18, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, thanks a lot. Japan_Flag_Bordered.png SSD  愛と平和！ 02:04, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was thinking that BO would have a full campain, everything we've seen supports that. Dolten 1164610-433px usmc logo svg large.png  Let's Talk  20:40, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * It'd be likely. They made a pretty big deal about the co-op campaign for World at War before it came out, and I found it to be a neat feature, though limited. In each of their games (other than Big Red One), Treyarch has made some interesting co-op/splitscreen options. I wouldn't be surprised to see that return. Japan_Flag_Bordered.png SSD  愛と平和！ 20:46, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Zombies would be crap in BO's anyway, they have took gore out haven't they? So yeah zombies that cant be dismembered isn't going to work. -- IDave Ja VuTalkcontribs 10:53, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * When did they say they took out gore? Japan_Flag_Bordered.png SSD  愛と平和！ 10:59, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I cant remember where, but its been reduced to jelly blood and no dismemberment... i specifically remember someone saying "Great jelly blood again". Also have you seen the videos? they just fall over like MW2 -- IDave Ja VuTalkcontribs 11:08, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you seen the E3 trailer? When Lamia shot with the Python at the VietCong soldier he dismembered him. And *****the floor was full with....Leg.Sgt.Frank Woods 11:20, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

I now have to find this video saying that gores isn't as bad as WaW now don't I? Give us a few... -- IDave Ja VuTalkcontribs 11:43, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * My mistake, no gore in multiplayer Clicky -- IDave Ja VuTalkcontribs 11:46, September 10, 2010 (UTC) P.S. - Why do i keep adding images as well?
 * I think they said that you could turn gore on or off and i played nazi zombies with no gore its exactly the same.Sgt Sprinkles 20:33, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it's the same experience. Blowing off the head of a zombie or shooting its legs off was always a major selling point when it came to the visuals and feeling of Nazi Zombies. I can't imagine it without gore. Japan_Flag_Bordered.png SSD  愛と平和！ 22:50, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

A good sense of what "Berlin" camouflage looks like

 * Link
 * Link 2
 * Link 3

Sorry for the long coding, ghey Google images. . 10:04, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

It looks pretty good. We'll just have to wait to see what it's like in Black Ops. 12:06, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Nice. I wanna see if there will be a clown facepaint. Unce unce. 12:08, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

hmmm... looks like some kinda block pattern used to confuse enemies by makeing distance judgeing hard.

i actually thinks it looks exactly like digital camo right?


 * IMA STEALTH CLOWN! Maj. Boner 13:55, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, A BIT different. BRX 11:22, September 11, 2010 (UTC)BRX
 * I believe he was refering to the colors, and lmao that is what my blanket looks like as far as the GenCain sig.jpg<font color="Gold"> T <font color="Crimson"> C <font color="Gold"> E  <font color="Crimson"> B 14:01, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe he was refering to the colors, and lmao that is what my blanket looks like as far as the GenCain sig.jpg<font color="Gold"> T <font color="Crimson"> C <font color="Gold"> E  <font color="Crimson"> B 14:01, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

More Weapons
Jd-2020 tweeter that there are about 40 unique weapons in black ops. Unless I misscounted, we have 40 weapons listed. Therefore there are pobsbly only 1 or 2 weapons in Bo thatvwe font know about yet.

Quote
"We live in a world where seeing is not believing." — Frank Woods in the world premier trailer

It's not Frank Woods but Jason Hudson who say this memorable words. How do I know this? Because it's obviously the voice of Ed Harris.

???????
y isnt the m240 sub machine gun not confirmed????? no negative comment plz i havent been following this in a while but it is in the wager trailer

/facepalm/ A Lonely Nomad 16:39, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

/facedesk/, and then /facewall/ Sgt.Frank Woods 18:14, September 11, 2010 (UTC) :/facepalm/, directed at you two guys. --Callofduty4 (Talk) 18:21, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * /faceturtle/ M249iwi.png gamemasta424 TalkM249iwi.png
 * /facerabbit/ Suck on that, Gamemasta, Rabbit eats and molests the turtle. Anyway, S.S.D.D., Okay, I get your a newbie, And Welcome to the TF 141, It's not a SMG if you didn't know, it's a Light Machine gun, as you can tell by Game masta's userbar, that's the M240, I get your your a newb again, everyone makes mistakes, Life threating to small, your mistake is small, no biggy. But I don't think it is comfirmed is, mates? Isn't it like the M60 comfirmed? But I think you saw the M4 Spectre SMG and thought of that, or, your thinking of the HK21, maybe even a small other gun. But, I'd laugh at myself if your oddly correct if it a gun in BO apears as M240 SMG, I'd laugh so hard at my self I'd 'drop' a knife and cut my laptop open, but, It's not comfirmed YET, the M240 Light Machine Gun S.A.W. was made during that time period. yet, We have no proof. This is not a negative comment, just a heads up. and remeber Gamemaster424, RABBIT WILL EAT YOUR TURTLE!!! (Not a threat) Love and love hard, I mean hard, Trayvin 01:28, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * /faceChuckNorris/ And, by the way, this is an M249 SAW, not an M240. M249iwi.png gamemasta424 TalkM249iwi.png

LOOOOOOOOL
http://twitpic.com/2mxwxw BRX 17:09, September 11, 2010 (UTC)BRX


 * Win. --Callofduty4 (Talk) 18:21, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

If this is finalized in the game, I'm gonna lol so hard. . 18:55, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Whoever made this wins Treyarch! Doc.Richtofen (  Talk  ) 12:45, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

That would be Mr. David Vonderhaar :P Sgt.Frank Woods 17:36, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

A scoped variant of the M14
Looks like an M14 DMR made on 2001, however, it's 1968, not 2001.

The M21? Also, sign your posts.


 * No, it was an M14 ACOG. --Callofduty4 (Talk) 18:21, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I got it!! A Galil!

M14E2(A1) - Select-fire variant of the M14 designed for SAW use. Equipped with with a pistol-grip and first issued in 1963. See what you did? You made me go imfdb on your a$$. Chief z 09:00, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

New Secondary Attachment??
Hi :p I'm fairly new to this but anyways... In this vid, there's an "attachment" called Upgraded Iron Sights (0:07). I don't think its in the article or the attachment section, (unless I'm blind). K, thx! Nomats3
 * Also note at 0:48 on "Community: (community) Browse the world's Films, Clips, Screenshots and 'Custom Game :Modes'", I wonder what Custom game modes are. Ferrariguy1000 01:29, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * /Facerabbit-turtle-thing/ Custom game modes are gonna be like Private match 2.0, easy with friends,every one with a friend is prolly gonna do it, and the Secondary attachment is a Tier 2 perk is it? The upgraded sights are in a vid, I think it's on a M1911 .45 in this vid, where it has the upgraded sights, it's gonna be cooler, faster probally, maybe even more sturdy, It's gonna be like, built from inside out. Like they did with CoD 4: MW for CoD 6: MW2.
 * The oddly stangely that you may get it the wrong way in the first part, Love, love and love hard, Trayvin 01:37, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

B+Oclan
Starting clan for black ops B+O (black+ops)

how to join:post comment on this saying ur gt and i will sen u an invite

that is the only way besides finding profile and sending me a msg

u will tryout on mw2 until black ops comes out

must use ump45 on mw2


 * must use ump45 - seriously? Are you trying to make a clan of noobs? Anyways, not the place for this, take it to the forums. And sign your posts. Japan_Flag_Bordered.png <font style="color:firebrick">SSD  <font style="color:black">愛と平和！ 01:06, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Plus, dude, alot of people have booked up on a clan, mostly on the wii. And like SSD said, this is NOT the place for it. therefor, Just have alot of fun disco-ing to the forum and have a dance party clan there. The Wii and Ps3 fan, Love, I mean Love hard, Trayvin 01:43, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I bet no one will even join.Sgt Sprinkles 03:09, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Wrong, Sergeant, Everyone joins a clan, rather it is just a clan-tag from the Wii, to a hugely massive clan in Xbox 360 and Ps3, That's how MV$ started, Me and a friend made it up on the wii, and now it has over 5 different types, 2 for wii, 3 for other console. One on each gaming system. (Pc, Ps3, and and Xbox 360), Now You think this has to do nothing with it, but, I made a ad this clan once, and it boomed in a blink of a eye. And It was just a small Youtube video. The first one for wii has stopped, but the second is still booming, And I bet this clan will go to every console version, I bet this guy has atleast a big youtube video, So think again. Love, I mean Love hard, Trayvin 03:31, September 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Trayvin, you do not understand the hatred of the UMP from the majority of users here. Doc.Richtofen  (  Talk  ) 12:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Doc, You complety missed my point. My point is, newbies and Anons will join. Everyone who has atleast 20+-30+ edits hate the UMP.45, except a select few who needs to be fed some commen sences, But, I understand, Everyone hates the UMP.45, They just go mental when they get spawn-killed by it. Now, I used to have MW2, too, I hated it with my life, because guns were just, overpowered, it's unrealistic, Heck, I blew it up to Kingdom Come with abunch of Fircrackers, Then I bought COD 4, One of the main reasons the fragments haunt is due to the fact of the UMP.45. So do I not understand the hatred? The Scar? The Snipers? I'd like to disagree Love, I mean Love hard, Trayvin 13:17, September 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * what is this i don't even... Stbaksig.png StB_Flag.jpg 23:34, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Some New and Misinterpreted news
http://blackops.digitalwarfare247.com/news/various-new-and-misinterpreted-news

Talks about the playlists, issue of Tac Ins, and other news.

Booster hunting. Nice. Ferrariguy1000 03:02, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

The site is sexy, <3. Ratchel!! My ass itches! Love, I mean Love hard, Trayvin 03:34, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

RoF Frame by Frame
Commando (Gun Shown with many customized versions) Fire Rate: .085 Rate of Fire: 700 Shots to Kill: 5, however it may just be lag and only be 4. ADS Time: .25 (.2 RDS) Clip: 30 (90 Reserve, Unknown Max Reserve) Normal Reload Speed: 2.5 (1.9 Cancel) Empty Reload Speed: Unknown

FAMAS (Gun shown that looks like the FAMAS) Fire Rate: .06 Rate of Fire: 1000 Shots to Kill: 4 or 5, it's very hard to tell with the recoil. ADS Time: .25 Clip: 30 (Unknown Reserves, but at least 181 max) Normal Reload Speed: Unkown Empty Reload Speed: Unknown (2.2 Cancel)

Sniper (Only Sniper shown) Fire Rate: 1.2 Rate of Fire: 50 Shots to Kill 1 (headshot, upper chest?) Clip: 5 (15 Reserve, Unknown Max Reserve) Reload Speeds: Unknown (Clip Reload)

Ballistic Knife ADS Time: .15 (May just be a delay between shoting and firing, not ADS) Shots to Kill: 1 Clip: 1 (1 Reserve, Unknown Max Reserve) Reload Speed: ~1.6 (.45 Cancel)

Crossbow Explosive Tip Explosion Delay: 1.5 Shots to Kill: 1 ADS Time: .25 Clip 1 (1 Reserve, Unknown Max Reserve) Reload Speed: Unknown (2.45 Cancel) http&#58;//tinypic.com/r/2ag7140/7 14:01, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

taken from http://forums.digitalwarfare247.com/index.php?/topic/28815-official-black-ops-multiplayer-weapons-thread/


 * 1000 RpM? Are you bullshittin me? Hello MP40 v.2. Anyways, great find. Remember to sign your posts. Slowrider7 14:09, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't quote these as actual figures, because of unknown attachments/perks that may be in effect.[[Image:spock1.gif|30px]]<font color="green" size="2px">nlmgr [[Image:enterprise.jpg|50px]] 14:31, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * all assualt rifles have same base damage according to hutch who was at the beta.Sgt Sprinkles 14:35, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, he meant there ain't Stopping Power, FMJ, Juggernaut or anything that could increase/decrease weapon's damage (except Flak Jacket). BRX 17:31, September 12, 2010 (UTC)BRX
 * And I think it's impossible to Reload Cancel. FAMAS showed 30 ammo in the mag just when he pulled that thing (I forgot its name) at the side. Also, there is a video with G11 and he couldn't reload cancel too. And, WTF "only sniper shown" there was L96A1 in the MP teaser, Dragunov in Prestige Ed trailer and WA2000 in the Wager Match preview. BRX 17:36, September 12, 2010 (UTC)BRX

zombies
why is the zombies maps coming back they shouldn't because some people really enjoyed cod5's nazi zombies but now if they can't efford the hardened edition then they can't experiance the thrill they did in cod5

They'll probably bring out a DLC for it. Also, sign your posts.IIID Empire 12:58, Sep.12,10

I heard from a friend that for ALL editions there will be a special zombies map. And the Hardened/Prestige editions will have the 4 Nazi Zombies maps. <font size="5" color="aqua" face="Arial">xNightmare <a href="http://img215.imageshack.us/i/1476052.png/"><img src="http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5482/1476052.png" alt="1476052.png" /></a>

20:04, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

The hardened and prestige maps are just bonuses for whoever gets the better versions of the game and will likely be brought out as DLC later. Why would they release the old maps to only those who can pay for them and miss out on capitalizing on other people at some point too? and besides the hardened edition would be kinda crappy if all you got was an avatar outfit and a medal for £20 more than the normal edition, you need incentive to sell a product with multiple editions. Ouroboros Omega 15:33, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

All anyone needs to do is grab a used copy of COD5 in order to experience the thrill of Nazi Zombies. I'm sure used copies are pretty cheap, and will be even cheaper once Black Ops comes out. 99.97.4.56 06:24, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

call of duty :blackops
Does anyone know how much the hardened version of Black ops will be in Australia

I'm not sure but I had a look in JB-HI FI and there was an ad for Prestige for about $229 AUD. General Geers 07:28, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

New bonuses
there are new bonuses out for those who preorder from Amazon for the first 100,000 who preorder from Amazon customers will get a Black Ops desktop wallpaper and laser cell (idk wat it is) i think we shuld add this to retail editions or sumthing Omnicube1 04:48, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

plus they said a jeep will be a key vehicle in black ops plus a limited edition Black Ops jeep rubicon will be out on sale Omnicube1 21:47, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

New SMG?
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops#OTs-02_Kiparis

IDK. I was sceptical at first but now I'm just....eh....I would say it's confirmed.:? (I will search for this footage and compare both killfeeds)EDIT: Confirmed:d

^Note grip, sights, "there-should-be-stock" place and the front.

So what? I would say that there are 2 "classified SMGs":

^This and PPS-41 (Emblem screen) near M1911 one.

btw. There is also "Machete Emblem" presented in the same fashion as colt(conf.) and PPS-43(speculation)

It's also known that there is one classified sidearm....Machete?:D

Morihaus 17:01, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

It is possible that there may be more than one classified weapon in a category. In MW2, the multiplayer reveal showed only about 7 or 8 assault rifles, most of them classified. But the final game had 9 assault rifles. So there is a possibility, the Black ops we saw in the MP reveal is not the final game. Ferrariguy1000 22:37, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

How to Preorder
Stupid, I know, but my dad is planning on preordering the game (which comes out a few days near my birthday). The problem is that I'm not really sure how. . 10:09, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * What website do you plan on pre-ordering it from? Slowrider7 11:05, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Jeez, Anti-social much? I just went to my local Gamestop and preordered it. I bought it on the spot so I can just walk in and grab it on the 11. IIID Empire 07:02, Sep.15,10
 * Don't order it from Gamestop (@anyone who reads this) they will give you the (excuse me) fucking runaround until your so stressed out you don't even want the game. If you had to pre-order online, use Walmart or a generic store like that. Wal-mart and as far as I know Target have $1 overnight shipping, where the Gamestop overnight shipping is $10. Slowrider7 22:24, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Amazon.com iz da bomb, IMHO.[[Image:spock1.gif|30px]]<font color="green" size="2px">nlmgr [[Image:enterprise.jpg|50px]] 22:27, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't order it from Gamestop (@anyone who reads this) they will give you the (excuse me) fucking runaround until your so stressed out you don't even want the game. If you had to pre-order online, use Walmart or a generic store like that. Wal-mart and as far as I know Target have $1 overnight shipping, where the Gamestop overnight shipping is $10. Slowrider7 22:24, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Amazon.com iz da bomb, IMHO.[[Image:spock1.gif|30px]]<font color="green" size="2px">nlmgr [[Image:enterprise.jpg|50px]] 22:27, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

OK, so do I go to Walmart or Gamestop? At the store or by phone? Do you have to pick it up or is it mailed to you? Sorry for the seemingly-stupid questions. . 01:26, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Walmart. In the long run its cheaper. Online if you have a credit card/Paypal. It will be mailed to you on 9/9 or 9/10. Slowrider7 02:10, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

I used Best Buy, As they will tell me nothing about it, they tell me one time when it comes, and I LOVE THAT.

I use Amazon. The prices compared to other stores are the same but it has free shipping!!! although I got to wait 3-5 days for it to come, but at least it is cheaper GunsSwordsFlames 23:45, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

NO OVERKILL
Me sad, Treyarch hasn't said or released anything, which means most likely, no overkill :(< XDEATHMAN4aP90x 23:01, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. but it's possible, though unlikely that the pro effect of Warlord (or another perk) would be Overkill's effect.(the normal version of Warlord would have Bling pro's effect) If that actually happens, I would be going HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY.Lol.Sgt.Sandwich | Talk shop 02:08, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

create-a-class
will create-a-class only be available for online multiplayer like World At War or will you be able to do it in slitscreen as in MW2?

I better then MW2, also, sign your Sigs, I love my new one, And everyone would LOVE to see them. Trayvin talk 23:26, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Wierd Gun
I wasnt sure wat gun it is so i thot u guys could figure it out i thot it was a Galil or sumthing Omnicube1 01:16, September 16, 2010 (UTC)



Seems to me like a Galil. Nice find. . 01:21, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Is there a carrying handle on it, if there is its a LMG.TheAmazingFeedz 13:12, September 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * That must mean the Barrett M82 is an LMG. Gosh, never knew that. --Callofduty4 (Talk) 13:19, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * SMG? He said LMG, but does that also mean the M4 and M16 family of guns are LMG's? And how'd that be a LMG? It looks nothing like one! WaW Pickup Walther.png Trayvin  talk 16:42, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * barrel handles and carry handles are different, LMG’s have a barrel handle so it can be changed when it is overheated. Carry handles are just for transport. Thedeerhunter 04:03, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's Galil. 16:53, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ya i personally thought that the gun was a Galil or SG 552 Commando or something but the 552 isn't gonna be in here so i guess its a Galil Omnicube1 22:36, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Willy Pete
I just found out that the Willy Pete was a White Phosphorous Grenade, I didn't check the page, but I was lookin up the weapons page of the movie Platoon, and saw it was called a willy pete. Maj. Boner 01:26, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

We knew it was called that.IIID Empire 09:40, Sep.16,10

Platoon that old movie? Of course we knew it, as it was decided by the first two letters (W and P)

Black ops theme
When are we going to put on pages? I have it on my userpage. Its awesome.

Hi82.1.235.140 07:14, September 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi there --Callofduty4 (Talk) 11:14, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

We can't put it in without a forum topic. --Callofduty4 (Talk) 11:14, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Where is my UMP45??
I was looking over the weapons included in this game, and was very disappointed to find that the UMP45 is not listed anywhere. As you all know, the UMP45 is by far the most popular weapon from MW2 and therefore it was a mistake not to have it included. My 2 cents. 99.97.4.56 11:37, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've got a good suggestion as to where it is. >_> Burgerman 11:59, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

(grabs riot shield) It was horrendously overused and overpowered. A Lonely Nomad 11:38, September 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * are you for srs? -Stbaksig.png StB_Flag.jpg 11:39, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

The UMP is also by far the most hated weapon in MW2 and therefore it was a genius idea not to include it --Callofduty4 (Talk) 11:47, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Couldn't Treyarch have just tweaked its stats so that it wasn't so "overpowered" rather than not include it at all? 99.97.4.56 12:13, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Production of the Ump started in the '90s. To far ahead for inclusion A Lonely Nomad 12:17, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

^Felin - 2001.....:D178.36.18.226 12:53, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, but its a Famas prototype (composed of a G1 and a G2) which would\could have been around then. A Lonely Nomad 12:56, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

I also saw this on the CoD forums. This guy is just a troll. Slowrider7 13:00, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

While we're at it, why wasn't the ACR added? /rolls eyes. 14:32, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Do you not recognize this is the COLD WAR. It is not 2016, we have not produced all of the weapons in modern warfare 2 nor do I want to see all the weapons from it. What I would like to see is more Light Machine Guns but that roster is looking a little thin. We have enough ARs and SMGs, lets get a Browning in there again! 15:08, September 18, 2010 (UTC)DizzyTornado


 * Lmfao if you were responding to Maj Gage, then you should know he was being sarcastic. If you were responding to the anon, then the UMP was massed in the 1990s. It could've been used far before in Black Operations. User:CirChris 15:12, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Dude that's pure conjecture. H&K nor any other company is going to have a SMG in development for 30 years, and then decide to release it so much later. It's too expensive, and a waste of time on something so small. Look at the development of most weapons. Before the final product is released to the masses it's about a 10 year period of development from start to the release. --LOST-The Cartographer 16:27, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

OMG, this topic is becoming pointless. Anyway, UMP45 ain't included, some of us are happy, some of you aren't. Maybe they put it in... maybe yes, but surely not. There's nothing more to it. BRX 21:34, September 18, 2010 (UTC)BRX

The UMP45 existed during the cold war (I think), but anyways it definitely makes a lot more sense than some of the other things included in the game. For example, what about the remote controlled cars? Was that something that was ever used in any battlefield during the cold war? I doubt it. Also, the Sentry Gun is going to return in black ops as a killstreak reward, but the sentry gun is a complete work of science fiction. It doesn't exist in the real world even in our modern times, and while it may one day be created, it sure as hell didn't exist during the cold war era.

So the bottom line is if all this other fictional sci-fi crap can be included, then including a gun which actually exists and is real shouldn't be a problem. 99.97.4.56 13:24, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

IS THIS TOO DIFFICULT? - 13:30, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Real Life Article about a gun
Can I at least put the fact that the "AUG (Black Ops) can be an A1 variant with the Swarovski Scope attached and can also be a A2 variant when the Scope is not attached" or is it a RL article cuz it really doesn't have to matter if it is RL article since it looks like it in-game anyway. GunsSwordsFlames 23:40, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

no. Darkman 4 23:53, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think it should be pointed out. Even though AUG A1 and AUG A2 are real life, generaly, there are 2 different guns in the game under the name AUG (depending on whether it has a scope or not). Maybe it could be something like "If the Swarovski scope is attached, the rails are removed and the scope is attached directly to the gun" or "If the Swaroski scope is attached, the gun uses its A1 real life counterpart, while without it, it uses its A2 real life counterpart" BRX 00:17, September 19, 2010 (UTC)BRX

@ Darkman 4, no to what? GunsSwordsFlames 02:14, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * To your proposal. We treat the weapons as fictional. In the game's world, we have no idea if an AUG A1 or A2 or whatever exist because the game never states that. Darkman 4 07:16, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sequel
Should this game be considered a direct sequel and give itself along with WaW its own universe. The only reason I think this is because of Reznov being in both and this game having its own universe.Sniperteam82308 02:02, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

No gore in mp?
Well I get that that has to do with memory limitations (but for PCs that makes no sense), but why bother including it in campaign and co-op if it's not in the mp? 02:22, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Stupid indeed.Shotrocket6sig.png 02:29, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's so dumb. Gore can't take up that much space if you think about it.AdvancedRookie 07:10, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * The reason this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever is that gore was included in WaW, a game from 2008. If the consoles and computers of 2008 could handle gore, then why can't they handle it in 2010? That's bullshit. 99.97.4.56 13:27, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well the reason is that with all the new stuff in the game, they can't fit gore in MP.AdvancedRookie 13:29, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not because of memory constrictions. It's because they didn't want to put it in MP. I didn't really like gore in WaW MP, it made it slightly too serious. Gore in SP is good, though. --Callofduty4 (Talk) 13:33, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * They probably did it because alot of moms of8year olds complained. I know my neighbors mom did and alot of his freindss moms to.Sniperteam82308 13:35, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * They should have it as an option so that if you want Gore you can have it, but if you don't want it then you can turn it off. They should just do that and then everyone can be happy. But in my opinion, 8 year old kids shouldn't be playing games where the object is to kill other people, and that should hold true whether there is gore or not. Just because you don't have gore doesn't mean the game is kid friendly. The game is for adults (or at least teens), so what the hell? 8 year olds should be playing Disney games and the rest of us should be allowed to have our gore fests. 99.97.4.56 14:36, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea I know but what are you gunna do there will always be 1 liyyle brat that bitches to his mom in a store because he knows hell get it that way. And your right they had it in WaW and in Gears of War so why not Black Ops.Sniperteam82308 16:07, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea I know but what are you gunna do there will always be 1 liyyle brat that bitches to his mom in a store because he knows hell get it that way. And your right they had it in WaW and in Gears of War so why not Black Ops.Sniperteam82308 16:07, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Lenses?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IIX6CE5ieI&feature=related

Right in this video at 0:24 it shows the menu for customizing the weapon you have selected. Your options appear as primary, attachments, camo, reticle, reticle color, lens, clan tag, and emblem. My first speculation would be that you could tint the color of the lens on your rds/reflex but I am not really sure. Your thoughts on this? DizzyTornado 12:16, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can change the color, shape of the actual sight, and shape of the reticle. -Stbaksig.png StB_Flag.jpg 13:32, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Flak Jacket Pro and Hardened Pro?
I have a feeling that Flak Jacket Pro and Hardened Pro will be the equivalents of Juggernaut and Stopping power. Think about it - a flak jacket is very powerful to withstand explosions, and the latter perk increases bullet penetration, which would have to increase power in someway. What do you guys think? [[User:Professional Swan Diver|Professional Swan Diver, baby. 15:46, September 19, 2010 (UTC)]]

Flak Jacket Pro = Fireproof? Hardened Pro = MW2 Stopping Power Pro Effect?

quick hk-21 question
in what video can you see the hk-21 in the create a class screen? whoever finds it gets a surprise Alex dlc 16:07, September 19, 2010 (UTC)