Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops

Classified
Does anyone have any ideas what the "CLASSIFIED" weapons could be (keep in mind timeline)?

gamemasta424 Talk

i would think it was so people couldnt see weapons that treyarch want to keep secret i mean they need to keep some stuff secret dont they :))

if u go to shaun0728's channel on youtube and veiw part three of his wager match trailer pause at 1:31 and look in the upper right hand corner in his party it says add a controller for split screen. DOES THIS MEAN 2 PLAYER ONLINE ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????///!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Needs Minor Updating
After the recent MP reveal event, a lot has been confirmed to be in the game, and what's not in the game. I think this page needs some updating.

Also, the statement about Treyarch highly considering a multiplayer beta is false. At the recent event, the Lead MP designer stated that they have not been considering a beta, and instead have been doing extensive internal beta testing with different companies under Activision. I see that this was actually reprotected today, but I do not see the purpose behind keeping the main article about the game void of the latest, CONFIRMED info about the game. Zoahinx 16:20, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Reprotected
You guys did great adding new stuff, but now speculation is starting to come back in, so its time to protect the page again. Darkman 4 06:26, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Awww... Omnicube1 15:44, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should include magazines in reserve along with magazine size.
Here is the weapon info that I found from looking at various videos.

Weapon...............Magazine/Reserve

Python Multiple Attachments.....6/48 SPAS...................................... 8/64 Stakeout...................................4/32 MP5K....................................30/240 AK74u...................................30/240 M14.......................................20/160 M16.......................................30/240 Famas...................................30/240 AUG......................................30/240 HK21.....................................30/240 M60.....................................100/300 L96A1........................................5/40 WA2000....................................6/48 Grim Reaper..............................4/12 M72 LAW....................................1/1 China Lake..................................2/2 Crossbow Explosive Tip................1/4 Ballistic Knife...............................1/1 MAC11 Dual Wield..............20 20/320 Famas Extended Mags............45/360 PM63......................................20/160 Skorpion..................................20/160
 * Makarov Dual Wield.............8 8/128
 * Skorpion Dual Wield..........20 20/320
 * HS-10B....................................4/32
 * Famas Flamethrower..............30/90
 * Python Dual Wield...................6 6/56


 * In the cases of Dual Wield guns, divide the reserve magazine amount by 2 to get the reserve magazine amount for the regular version.


 * This is called the HS-10B because of the folding carrying handle, as shown here:

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh26-e.htm

General_Awesomo 16:04, September 3, 2010 (UTC)General_Awesomo
 * Originally, the Famas with no attachment has 30/240. I guess putting the Flamethrower attachment on the Famas takes away 150 rounds from your reserve for balance. Maybe all Assault Rifles will be like this, or maybe the Famas is the only exception.


 * No, that's the max ammo carried. Max ammo is given to you when you get a gun in the Gun Game. The FAMAS flamethrower's ammo count is the starting ammo count. 19:34, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? I don't recall ever hearing that you get max ammo in the Gun Game. General_Awesomo 20:24, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * You do. That's far too high for starting ammo, and why would an attachment lower your ammo count? The Commando in the multiplayer reveal had 30 rounds with 90 in reserve, without any attachments. 11:40, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the AK-47 in COD4 or MW2 had this thing where if you put the grenade launcher on, it would increase your ammo supply. General_Awesomo 21:17, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia
"In the multiplayer trailers, on most maps a number "2" was shown on most of the place. The number "2" might be a reference to Modern Warfare 2 (since the style is similar) or the fact that Call of Duty: Black Ops is a sequel to Call of Duty: World at War ." - I think this is stupid. BRX 08:05, September 3, 2010 (UTC)BRX

I think he means the number at the bottom left. That denotes what place you are in.AdvancedRookie 08:08, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I...I...you have have to be kidding me. That is the dumbest trivia I've ever seen on this wiki, and I've seen a lot. Darkman 4 08:11, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think my eyes threw up. 19:33, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

........I have no comment.

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hahaha Ash, and dittos Dark! Yea this what happens when most grade and middle school kids find a wiki. They can't help but add the most ridiculous ideas you can imagine. --LOST-The Cartographer 15:48, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

New SMG (or at least not posted), PM63 seen at 1:37:

http://g4tv.com/videos/48452/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-Wager-Match-Gameplay-Video/

Ferrariguy1000 03:05, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

^From me: PM63 SMG is confirmed. Also MPL SMG's weapon model(akimbo) and its killfeed icon is visible. So it's confirmed.

http://g4tv.com/videos/48466/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-Multiplayer-Maps/

^Valkyrie rockets - you have two of them. Camos on shotguns(in this case Spas(but it's old ) Flamethrower vs Second chance:D New map: CRACKED Also some rocket taking SPy plane down...Imo it's Sam KS.

http://g4tv.com/videos/48464/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-Customization-Commentary-/ ^create-a-class with commentary ^all perks (Hackers is new bombsquad now) ^all lethal (grenade, semtex and tomahawk)and tactical grenades(willy*1 - smoke, nova gas*2 - "impair movement, blur vision and cause damage over time", flahbang*2 - blinds and deafs target + stuns equipment and turrets/ Concussion*2 - "slow and disorient target + stuns equip. and turrets" and DECOY*2 (simulate gunfire and radar indicators) ^equipment ^ks + commentary(Rolling Thunder - carpet bomber) ^some emblems and more.

Also some questions: anybody have "other than AR and Pistol" weapon screen form C-a-C? I think that G11 is SMG in-game(because it's shown, it's not "classified" Also : What about Strela? Morihaus 13:22, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

So nobody has seen the other weapon's screens, that is good. I was worried we would only have three LMG's and three Snipers. Very relieving DizzyTornado

Amount of player profiles
I know I already asked this, but now with the new information of september 1st, maybe I can get a more accurate answer, instead of a thought. Does anyone know if you'll be able to have more then one profile? Like in CoD 4 and WaW? And not one like MW2? I think it will be one, cause of steam, but still! PS: Anyone knows a link to the multiplayer reveil? Jupitus 14:52, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Maps gameplay
G4TV is showing the 5 maps in action, it also shows the G11 and Flamethrower attachment in action. And a custom red dot. <3 http://g4tv.com/videos/48466/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-Multiplayer-Maps/ XDEATHMAN4aP90x 14:56, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

ASP shown, more Dragunov and Olympia.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/multiplayer-event-call-of/703995?type=flv

ASP pistol shown in the beginning. 7 round magazine, 56 rounds in reserve.

More footage of the Dragunov. Looks like it can't OHK in the stomach.

Footage of the Olympia shotgun. 2 shells, 18 shells in reserve.

General_Awesomo 18:12, September 3, 2010 (UTC) General_Awesomo

Btw, this is my second time using this wiki. Am I doing something wrong? Am I incorrectly using the signature? Please let me know. General_Awesomo 19:52, September 3, 2010 (UTC)General_Awesomo

Questions. Answer needed(:D)
1st. Where is Strela. I know it was said somewhere(liveblog?) that's in the game. 2st. The classified AR = G11 (common sense) BUT.... Why they said it's classified and top secret and all and they show it to ...idk exactly...gamestop? It's very similar to P90(terms of Rof, Shape, Big Magazine and so on.

My idea: It's SMG(similar way to AK74u is AR in real world and in-game is SMG) What's your opinions? Also : Anybody has video/screenshot/anything about other weapons "confirmed" in create-a-class menu? Like Launchers/SRs/SMGs etc. It could be helpful.

EDIT: See the videos in the "Trivia" section on Discussion page - more info for sb to write it down and call it a history.:DMorihaus 18:35, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * The G11 is burst fire, so it's very likely to be an AR. Darkman 4 18:42, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * the G11 is huge, and it works with compressed air. its more similar to ARs than to SMGs Alex dlc 18:57, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ok. But in the ARs Section is one "classified" position so this last Ar "shouldn't" be show for us(as a name suggests) But G11 is clearly visible. So what's the point of "classifying it" if we can see it. I'd need "SMG Create-a-Class Lobby" Screenshot/liveblog/video would be a proof for me:D I don't wanna be any heretic, It's only my logic:dMorihaus 19:00, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Strela is in Russian (and most Slavic countries) Arrow, so it could be a sniper. BRX 19:19, September 3, 2010 (UTC)BRX

Strela Land-to-Air Rocket Launcher, to be precise:d Morihaus 19:31, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oh... :D BRX 19:49, September 3, 2010 (UTC)BRX

Bad Perks linking
In the perks section, perk Ghost is linked to Simon Ghost Riley and Warlord is linked to some dude's callsign. It's not a big thing, although it should be edited.

mpl, ithaca, camos...
lets see, theres a few things i wanted to say. the MPL should be confirmed even if all we saw was a killfeed icon. the Ithaca shotgun is way past confirmed. its been seen in several videos already, so i dont know why its been taken off. then, you could add the list of gun camos that was provided my MorganJEast on twitter. she went to the black ops event and wrote it all down. and has anyone noticed you can revive players? and the smoke nade is called willy pete, this should be added in the article Alex dlc 18:49, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * The ithaca is called the Stakeout in-game. YuriKaslov 19:08, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I don;y want to be a selfish bastard but I have some akimbo MPL in action(^btw. ty Alex, it wasn't Tec9 deriative:d) and more in Trivia Article(some mess:/)on Disc. page. Shotgun camo/Flamethrower/C-a-C w/ a Commentary and so on and so on... . Also thanks to Ferrariguy for PM63 confirmation.:d

Ithaca's name in-game it's Ithaca or Stakeout? 'coz I saw both(http://g4tv.com/videos/48438/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-Wager-Match-Trailer/ - "Ithaca" at )0:37(8)...weird...

What about Strela? Was it sighted?Morihaus 19:06, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

the ithaca is called stakeout in game? then how come we saw "ithaca" in the game? Alex dlc 19:20, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * We've seen both. I think the must have called it one, recorded it, then decided to change the name. We'll see on the 11th. NZ Richtofen.png Doc.   Richtofen  19:21, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * alright then. the pm63 is deffinatly confirmed. can some one tell me where the rumored mpl icon apears? thanx Alex dlc 19:30, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

^Alex, I showed you it before:J But for now : http://g4tv.com/videos/48452/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-Wager-Match-Gameplay-Video/ ~2:09-2:14(with akimbo) I hope I've helped:d Morihaus 19:39, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

yeah sorry, its just hard to find with so many videos. im 100% sure the icon is a mpl, the pic i posted of a real mpl looks exactly the same Alex dlc 21:07, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Recap
Not sure if this has already been posted but here is a good recap that covers most things:

Part 1:http://www.codblackopsnews.com/2010/09/02/multiplayer-reveal-recap-part-1-cod-points-combat-training-and-wager-matches/ Part 2:http://www.codblackopsnews.com/2010/09/02/multiplayer-reveal-recap-part-2-weapons-killstreaks-and-perks/

19:34, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

LMG's and Snipers
Has anyone actually seen the LMG or Sniper page in the Create a Class? because it will make me kinda sad if there is only three weapons in both of those categories.

well thts all thts been found, as soon as we find more, theyll get added BTW sign ur postsJoey07141 20:13, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Split screen online confirmed


19:47, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

This will be good, as i love playing online (Who doesn't?), but i can't go online when i am playing with my neighbors, unless we are playing Warhawk. Bumblebeeprime09(Talk) 22:52, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

So will the black ops split screen be like the one in mw2 or cod4 and 5 or what?

Sth about Tac.Insertion. Possible proof./Strela confirmation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUgneJy7QEA Watch from 2:35 to 2:38. Spawnpoint ir TI?

also: http://twitter.com/II_F0XH0UND_II/status/22767916018 ^Strela confirmation? Morihaus 19:59, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

whats the strela? was that a launcher? or is the strela the mpl? http://www.warboats.org/mst2Bremmer/images/stonerjpg/walther_mpl_r.jpg Alex dlc 20:09, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

yeh definitely a tactical insertion, you can see the red flashing pack on the floor. jesus now they are even harder to see..... Ashwilson12 00:13, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

add the MPL
http://www.warboats.org/mst2Bremmer/images/stonerjpg/walther_mpl_r.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5110/picture35f.png

Alex dlc 20:12, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

New Faction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94SolEtpnc

~4:58 or so

"Tropas" Faction Confirmed. Their emblem is a scorpion with star under it with crossed ARs behind. Cuba? South America? Africa? IDK Morihaus 20:28, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing Cuba, since it was confirmed as a location. Looks like we'll be fighting Castro and Co. (I'm secretly hoping we'll be hunting Pablo Escobar, for whatever reason.) Chief z 05:30, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

There is also a "Black Ops" faction (their emblem is a planet with OPS over it showed often in multiplayer teaser). What are these dudes. Some kind of this game's superheroes? BRX 20:49, September 3, 2010 (UTC)BRX

Makes me wonder if it is GKNOVA6. Ferrariguy1000 02:04, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Up to level 50
You can rank up to level 50 and you will start off with 5 custom classes while you can unlock an additional 5 from prestige 1-5.

http://blackops.digitalwarfare247.com/news/mp-reveal-info-round-up

Duckcall00 21:16, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * We already know. YuriKaslov 21:16, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Wager System
Does the wager system replace the normal unlocking system.

Ithaca shotgun.
I saw a part of the wager preview where the player takes out a gun right after killing someone with the Spas,it says "Ithaca" so I quickly did a research and found that there is in fact a weapon maker called Ithaca,and the shotgun might jut be the Ithaca Model 37,and it was used in Vietnam war,so I would like to propose a page being made for this gun ,despite no visual confirmation of the gun is available there is still the name appearing,it would be most appreciated. Poop copter 21:36, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ithaca. There. YuriKaslov 21:43, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * the ithaca was already discussed, i added it to the article but it got taken off since its now believed to be the same as the stakeout. for some reason we have seen the same shotgun with 2 names. oh, and i have seen actual ithaca gameplay. Alex dlc 22:14, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * i would really like if it was just named ithaca,cause it was seen in gameplay and its clearly the ithaca,unlike the "galil or ak47" articles this one is not blurry,so please lets agree on the same side man,you saw it or yourself and we have hard evidence that it is called the ithaca. Poop copter 22:25, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * well yeah, but maybe they had to change the name. it dosnt really matter what its called, but im pretty sure its the same shotgun. Alex dlc 22:50, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * well yeah, but maybe they had to change the name. it dosnt really matter what its called, but im pretty sure its the same shotgun. Alex dlc 22:50, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Killstreak/Video
I'm not trying to be rude but what kind of idiot put a private video on the page? Its the video on Create-a-Class. Also,attack dogs will return! UNLEASH THE DOGS! General Geers 05:48, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was probably made private after it was uploaded. Darkman 4 06:46, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

PM-63
Are you people sure that there will be a PM-63, or that its just a mistaken Spectre M4 kill icon? I'd like to see it myself. Darkman 4 06:46, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure:d btw. We have videos of "in-game view" of PM63, Spectre M4 and MPL with their killfeed icons. The're all different. btw. I will post a link to C-a-C SMG Screen. It shows that Rapid Fire is confirmed for SMGs aswell as Silencers and "improved iron sights" for Colt M1911. Morihaus 08:41, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: This. http://www.viddler.com/explore/gamertagradio/videos/246/ ~7:00 Full SMG C-a-C. 7:03 MP5k Attachments. Morihaus 08:52, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Tokyo Game Show
Black Ops will be showcased at the Tokyo Game Show between September 16 and 19. The game will be developed by Treyarch and also in Japan by Square Enix. 07:27, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

New Classified SMG !!! *PROOF
http://www.viddler.com/explore/gamertagradio/videos/246/ ~7:00 Screen from SMG C-a-C MP5k, Skorpion, MAC11, AK74u, Uzi(not Mini-Uzi), PM63, MPL, Spectre and..."classified" What's your types? Morihaus 08:50, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Calico M960?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_M960

That's my best Guess. :D

Ferrariguy1000 17:35, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Camos
http://www.viddler.com/explore/gamertagradio/videos/246/ ~7:04 and so on. 16 camos:d some reticles later. None Dusty Ice Red Olive Nevada Sahara ERDL Tiger Berlin Warsaw (this one and below...found there: http://www.callofduty.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=269656&sid=0ahpa6t0hpu6j98mn29rck69i3_ Siberia Yukon Woodland Flora Classified (I will post source later

http://www.morganjeast.com/2010/09/camouflages.html

Morihaus 08:57, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Strela-3 confirmation
http://www.morganjeast.com/2010/09/even-more-weapons-info.html

^As above. Morihaus 09:14, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Better HS-10 in-game video
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/wager-match-call-of/703938?type=flv Morihaus 09:22, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: Classified Sidearm? http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2010/09/03/call-of-duty-black-ops-multiplayer-guide-unlocks-weapons-perks-killstreaks/3/ Morihaus 09:23, September 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * There is a classified Assault Rifle as well. 11:37, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * The classified assault rifle is the g11, jus sayin Ashwilson12 11:42, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * The classified assault rifle is the g11, jus sayin Ashwilson12 11:42, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Great Info(source for citations)
http://www.callofduty.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=269180&p=3212530&hilit=yukon&sid=2so7i4lvg1mc4eq30ln4vattk7#p3212530 Morihaus 09:26, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

RPK in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg_8mPoloBo ^RPK with Thermal Scope and w/ RDS and Aug with Thermal Scope Morihaus 09:56, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Edit possibilty
I wanted to add some info to "Hacker Perk" page but I couldn't. Do I need a permission from someone? Also what if I want to edit sthe else? I'm not some kid with unconfirmed info, you now me:d Morihaus 10:01, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

COD POINTS
Can you only earn these things thru wajah match?

NO!!! Capt  Mac Tavish 12:10, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Capt  Mac Tavish 12:10, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

You earn them from a percentage of XP you gain from any match. Wager match is just where you can go to bet your CP and possibly earn more. DizzyTornado 10:06, September 4, 2010 (ET)

wajah? Alex dlc 14:16, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

You get some everytime you play, as stated by someone. Specialist Grundy 17:35, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Why do people not understand,
YOU RANK UP TO UNLOCK WEAPONS, AND THEN HAVE TO PURCHASE THEM. Everyone thinks you get all weapons from rank 1. XDEATHMAN4aP90x 14:17, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

name
"WE HAVE TO STOP SPELLING IT BO CALL IT﻿ COD7 BO HA BODYODER"

- Youtube user

I don't think we should call it BO. 11:37, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lmfao, that guy just fails. Who's he to command everyone? BO BO BO! BO BO BO BO BO BO BO, there i said it :D Sgt.Frank Woods 16:22, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

New factions
In this video around 4:49 factions Black Ops, Spetsnaz and Tropas are shown (at center bottom the name of the team of the shown character model is shown). BRX 17:39, September 4, 2010 (UTC)BRX
 * Spetsnaz? Did you mean Soviet Armed Forces?
 * No, Spetsnaz. And I think you are not fighting Soviet Armed Forces in the game. BRX 19:09, September 4, 2010 (UTC)BRX

AWESOMENESS
18:19, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

whats the last weapon he used

More tac info,
the tactical insertion appears to beep and glow in Black Ops. XDEATHMAN4aP90x 18:53, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

To end all speculations on the weapons and equipments.
Watch this then fix everything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=driGwndNyXU&feature=sub .Poop copter 19:23, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * The game is not out yet. None of that is finalized. YuriKaslov 19:25, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's the best we've got right now,so I got no problem with it. Poop copter 19:28, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdFTtBCNM0&feature=sub. Poop copter 19:29, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

No beta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vmULVosVOo&feature=sub he says no open beta.80.195.30.96 21:07, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

NVA
I believe that we should move Vietname People's Army to NVA or North Vietnamese Army (i kno theyre the same) cuz in a multiplayr i vid i saw it just said NVA Omnicube1 22:05, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Archive Page (again)
I know it’s only been two days but with all the new info we have been overwhelmed in this talk page has gotten very big. It should be ok to archive it as most of the information has been covered and put into the article. 22:57, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Gun camo's
Do we have a list of gun camo's? -- IDave Ja VuTalkcontribs 01:24, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

The only confirmed camos are Woodland and Arctic if you want to call that a list. Slowrider7 01:27, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * well actually there not in it at all -- IDave Ja VuTalkcontribs 01:29, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Woodland and Arctic? Are you kidding me? Have you seen ANY videos from the game? Slowrider7 01:31, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Woodland and Arctic? Are you kidding me? Have you seen ANY videos from the game? Slowrider7 01:31, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah i have a screen shot with all the camo's, and they all cost 250 CoD points to unlock. (maybe you mean Ice and Olive?) -- IDave Ja VuTalkcontribs 01:33, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay. You young'ins go by different names these days... I need to get with the times. Slowrider7 01:36, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

i may be young but here look :) -- IDave Ja VuTalkcontribs 01:38, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't doubt you. Now follow the policies, Private. Slowrider7 01:46, September 5, 2010 (UTC)



so what policy have i not followed now...? -- IDave Ja VuTalkcontribs 01:51, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ahhh more camo's guess woodlands there :P -- IDave Ja VuTalkcontribs 02:14, September 5, 2010 (UTC)