Forum:Desysoping Imrlybord7

Recently, Imrlybord7 has been acting unprofessional and unbefitting an admin. There is evidence that he provoked PGB as well as TMOI. He's been rude with some users, he's brought an issue from another wiki onto this wiki. He abused his power by deleting several pages without any discussion. Evidence will be posted below.
 * 1) Discussion, URLs to other evidence can be found here.
 * 2) Rude to PGB, flame and/or provocation.
 * 3) Harassment
 * 4) Harassment
 * 5) Harassment
 * 6) Blatant unilateral deletions, power abuse
 * 7) Harassment and provocation (view the following sections as well)
 * 8) Defense of prior actions (see above), should be noted
 * 9) Explanation of actions, should be noted.
 * 10) Defense of actions.
 * 11) Brought issue from another wiki, and continued to harass Darth.
 * 12) Intimidating and rude behavior

Many users, including myself, have a great deal or respect for Imrlybord7, and many of us are his friend, however the actions shown above are too much. He was trusted with sysop tools, but has shown that he cannot resist insulting and harassing other users. While his contributions cannot be ignored, his actions as an administrator have led me and others to believe that he is no longer fit to be a sysop of our wiki, while he can continue to contribute as a regular user.

There is other evidence of him provoking the user, TMOI, but said blogs have since been deleted for the reactions to said provocation. TMOI took the punishment for that incident in stride, apologizing, promising to improve, and has since improved, Bord has instead acted rudely against another user.

Because of the above listed evidence, it is my firm belief that Imrlybord7 should be desysoped to stem this behavior. There has been discussion of taking this action on IRC, and several others users are of this belief, we mean no offense to Bord, but this behavior is unacceptable.

Discussion below:

Support - per above.

Support - Bord, you are my friend, but adminsa re supposed to be role-models to wikians and maintain a professional attitude. Don't hate me for this Bord but you have not been doing so. And per Darthkenobi0 above. --CodExpert 02:25, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Blah/Support-I could not think of what to call this, but I agree something i wacko and Bord needs a talking to and the power has gone to his head, so Bord you have been a good friend but This has gone to far,

p.s. Guys be sure to keep this discussion on wiki, so we do not have any repeat incedents  T  C  E   B 02:27, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Off-wiki discussion was about whether to post this or not.


 * Ok ok GenCain sig.jpg T  C  E   B 02:32, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

NeutralI don't know. I really don't know. I don't know enough of the situation to make an informed decision and I feel almost as if this was done hastily. I see no support from admins (all you claim are "several users" on IRC and who knows who they could be) and seeing that you yourself are part of the evidence, I don't think you're truly unbiased ,which is what we need in this situation. Note that the URLS to PGB are from ''February. ''Why bring up old cases if they no longer have any real relevance? Imrlybord7 did what all of us do at one point: he overreacted and let him emotions get the better of him. I need to know more of the situation before I can even begin to support something like this. Cpl. Wilding 02:28, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Done in haste? No, this is very thought out. 02:38, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Bord, you should serioiusly be reading this. This is not a jack-ass troll plan. I completely agree with the facts that you are a great editor, you had many GREAT, no, even AMAZING contributions, but in my eyes, this is complete power abuse. You should have discussed things. You should have kept your head calm. You should have not gotten power hungry. I still see you as an amazing edit, but an amazing editor without being trusted admin powers. I am sorry.  Commander W567123daniel Wanna Talk? 02:33, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I'm in agreement, too much provoking arguments, harassment, ect. I have believed Bord to be a friend to me, he still is, although this is just too far. 02:24, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support : Drop the B& Hammer (ok, Sysop hammer) in full swing

Support- Most of you may be thinking to yourselves right now "Oh it is TMOI, he will support", but in all fairness he DID take the time to read my apology and revoke my ban outof the bottom of his heart. Yes he was provoking me, and asking my to defend my ideals which NOBODY should EVER have to do, and I cannot forgive him for that, but I will think of it. --TMOI 02:51, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - I'm away for two days and this happens? Yes, Bord's made mistakes, yes, he can be short tempered. Does he deserve a de-sysopping? Absolutely not. Most of the evidence you brought up is stuff from several months ago (namely the PGB stuff) and is no longer relevant, a lot has happened back then. The TMOI incident is of some concern, but you have to remember that only two admins have been de-sysopped in the history of this wiki. One was a corrupt bureaucrat who had had a LONG history of incidents (we're talking nearly a year) and the other was a guy who was de-sysopped for stupid reasons by said corrupt bureaucrat, and left soon afterward so we never got the chance to reinstate him. My point is, it takes A LOT to merit a de-sysopping. A few childish grudges are not enough. I'm not saying he's completely innocent, he needs to learn to keep his temper in check, but I have complete faith in him as a sysop and if he learns to do that, he'd be an even better one.--WouldYouKindly 03:13, June 10, 2010(UTC)
 * It isn't his place to delete the pages, in no way can he take that decision upon himself. And how in the hell is this "a few childish grudges"? Trivializing the matter and attacking our point as some sort of immature grudge is ridiculous. Time does not make it any less relevant.

Comment - No. With all due respect, WYK, the injustice in this Wiki has been going on FAR to long. This all started since the "My face" blogs started up. I STRONGLY urge you to rethink you vote, WYK. --TMOI 03:21, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - @ WYK, he may do more for this wiki than almost anyone, but this is too much. As of the last month hes created more problems then almost any user makes in years. 03:25, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - More than me? lulz --TMOI 03:26, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment I don't mind giving him a few days to cool down, but perma blocking him is ridiculous. Darkman 4 03:29, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't about blocking him in any manner. It's simply about removing his sysop flag. 23:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose -Per WYK. Has anyone even considered Bord's beneficial and constructive edits? Sure he takes his finalizes his ideas with other users' consents, but de-sysoping? Maybe he should have to ask for permission from other admins about his actions. If anyone should be de-sysoped, it would be ME. Maj.Gage Talk. 03:30, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * You people don't seem to be reading, I specifically said he's a great editor, but I don't trust him with the powers anymore, he can continue to aid the wiki without them. And don't try to change the subject, this is about his actions, past and present.
 * The only edits he would not be able to make as a non-admin that he can make now are edits to fully protected pages. Keeping his administrative rights on the basis that he makes good edits has little behind it. 23:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Speaking of this, what is to be done about CallofDuty4? He vandalized by usergroup, and his intent was more than obvious, and he has definetly showed defiance of power before. --TMOI 03:31, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * This doen't belong here. Make another blog or forum about it. [[File:Anim-ac-130 emblem.gif]] Commander W567123daniel Wanna Talk? 03:32, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - He did delete a few articles and pages i was following without telling anyone and he tryed going off on me for telling him something. I wanted to say something nasty back but I didn't want to get blocked.  Diante  grassstain     03:38, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose- Per WYK and Maj.Gage. Like what WYK said, he made a few mistakes but he never did anything to me whatsoever. And plus, I think the Desysoping thing is too harsh. --Soldier 05:29, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support- Per Darth. I think he's been abusing his power.Moiz1224 05:38, June 10, 2010 (UTC) User lacks required mainspace edits to vote. Imrlybord7 10:29, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I think that rather than trying to desysop or decrat an admin, the Wiki as a whole needs to come up with, and pass into policy clear cut rules that an admin or 'crat cannot do. For instance admins and crats cannot swear at all to other users irregardless of circumstance. Once you swear at a user an admins creditability comes in to question. Issues about flamebaiting and trolling no matter what the circumstance is prohibited. Etc, etc.etc. and going with the AEAE policy, should an admin break said rules he/she will be blocked accordingly. I sincerely hope that this is all water under the bridge as I do like all parties concerned and I would like to see all conflicts resolved in a friendly manner.  Talk 05:46, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I like Whiskey35's solution. Instead of de-sysopping two good admins, we need to do something that can prevent admins from overstepping their boundaries (intentionally or unintentionally) in the future. First and foremost, what needs to happen, is that we need some kind of policy in place that clearly states that major policy changes and/or overhauls like the Blogging Restrictions and the RL article deletions cannot be put into place until the community comes up with a solution that works best for everyone. That means no more under-the-table discussions on other wikis, and no more sudden springing of major policy changes on the community, the community needs to know about something that major from the start. As much as we try to enforce AEAE, it seems to take a backseat all too often in the name of getting the job done quickly. This cannot happen anymore, it's what's causing all this conflict.

EDIT: Actually, come to think of it, all of this could easily be worked into AEAE, I'm going to bed now but I'll likely start a War Room discussion on it tomorrow--WouldYouKindly 05:58, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per WYK and Gage. I'd give my input, but I just can't seem to focus now. Chief z 06:04, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - If Darkman is still a crat and Cod4 is still a sysop, then there is no way I will be desysoped for any of this behavior. But now let's do a quick run through to "destroy" at least some of the "evidence" posted against me. Links 1, 2, and 3 all occurred before I was made an administrator and as such have no bearing on the discussion. Link 5 was not an act of harassment in any way, shape, or form. The only mistake I made in Link 11 was not keeping it on the Battlefield Wiki. Other than that, Darth, the blame was all on your side of the table. As for the article deletions, well, those were all easily undone and I never would have considered just going ahead with them if that wasn't the case, and as Scottie was quick to point out (thanks in advance), the decision was not nearly as unilateral as it was made out to be. And I think I did, pardon my french (since apparently we can't handle swear words anymore without some kind of warning), a damn good job defending my actions. And in response to link 12, I really did think he was spamming the wiki. So that's over half of the evidence nice and out the window (well, some of it is debatable, but links 1, 2, 3, 5, and 11 are indisputably irrelevant). As for the rest of it, well, it isn't nearly enough to get anyone desysoped. It seems like most of you are just going with the flow here. "Hmmmm... I disagree with some of Bord's actions recently, so even though I don't know what kind of behavior warrants a desysoping I'll go ahead and support it without first checking to see if the evidence brought up against him is even legitimate in the slightest." I'm disappointed in all of you. I am fully aware that none of you are doing this just to spite me, which I appreciate, but you are making a few mountains out of a few molehills, and some of the molehills aren't actually there. Imrlybord7 07:02, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Whoops, I forgot that three of those links were me defending or explaining myself, not evidence. So that means that of the nine pieces of evidence, five are definitely impertinent and two more are debatable. Imrlybord7 07:09, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know I respect you, but past actions and your defense show us about your behavioral patterns. I was honestly in favor of the temporary removal of your powers, because you've only shown any tendency to abuse them recently, and you're a great guy, but your recent behavior has been ridiculous and unacceptable; if it were up to me, I'd go with Darkman's plan. Bord, you're probably one of the most respected users on a wiki that I've ever met and had the pleasure of talking to, but you seemed to be a bit of a "prick" when you started here, and you seem to be that way once more, it's a shame but I and others believe that the only way to stem this is the removal of your powers, we think you've grown too self-sure. You're my bro and I think this is best for not only the wiki, but I think this would be best to help you realize that you need to learn to treat users better. And I thank you for realizing this was not made out of some grudge, it's strictly professional. I really hope you realize what I'm trying to say and respond, I've left you several messages recently, but I never received any sort of response, you say you wished I'd talked to you personally first, I tried. I hope there are no hard feelings, as I said, strictly business.


 * Link five is a textbook example of harassment. He asked you to "stop it" and you continued. That is harassment.
 * If you actually thought Sstark was spamming, then I really doubt you know what spam is. This is spam. This is a legitimate content edit. The two are extremely different. 23:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - All of my full explanation was edited but just dissaperared so I'm going to make this short. Now, I agree with Darkman on blocking Bord for a few days. 08:25, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The TMOI incident: Bord replied to TMOI in an imaturely way.
 * The "War" Between PGB and Bord: Plainly, Bord was just being very rude to PGB, who finally decided to leave for a while.


 * PGB was blocked for a year. He didn't decide to leave. Imrlybord7 07:27, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying he should be banned; he just needs his powers removed for a week or so to cool off for a bit. Darkman 4 07:49, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment: I don't mean to tread on anyone's toes here, but what makes you think this will actually make any difference whatsoever? 10:13, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Could you be more specific, Raven? Imrlybord7 10:15, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Per what I said about Darkman. He has made some big mistakes, but I don't feel that's grounds for having his sysop powers removed. 17:58, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Just some quick announcements


 * 1) Actually vote. That is directed specifically at Whiskey and KillerKing, who have both verbalized (typed) their view that I should not be desysopped, but it also goes for anyone else who has abstained, whether they support or oppose.
 * 2) Check the facts. I have already refuted quite a bit of the evidence presented against me, which is kind of a big deal.
 * 3) Bear in mind that I am not a 'crat getting decratted. If I was a 'crat then I would agree that I would deserve decratting, as decratting is not that big a deal and 'crats should basically be perfectly behaved. However, desysopping is an extremely harsh punishment, as WYK explained above. Imrlybord7 10:30, June 10, 2010 (UT


 * Actually, WYK said specifically it isn't a punishment, and it isn't. I'm not sure if you saw my paragraph, but I'm really all for a temporary desysoping, you've been a bit abusive recently, but not for a very long time in the past.

Change to undecided-While Bord was wrong he handled this whole blog very maturely. I feel a better proposal needs to put fourth, so I will say this: He should a) have to issue a public apologie, and b) I feel if he is de-admined then I should not be forever and it should be for more than a few days, So like a week before B.O come out he can have his poweres back  T  C  E   B 10:31, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose- I guess I didn't hit save last time, sorry Bord. I think this is VERY harsh. I could point out that Darth made some comments about TMOI as well, but none were "very" extreme. KillerKing17 10:34, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - My vacation starts soon, I haven't logged on for a few days, and this happens? Per WYK. -- 10:38, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I would have more respect for your votes if you showed that you actually read all of what has been said above. "and this happens?" Details more of "I saw the title and oppose because either A) I feel like appeasing an admin B)I like him so I'd like to keep a friend in a high place or C) Good admin IMO, oppose desysoping him". Some actual input and/or rebuttal like Bord's given would be nice, this is a serious decision and so many people seem to be taking it so likely. Do any of you honestly think I LIKED posting this? Bord is a fucking amazing guy and a great friend, writing what I wrote tore me up, but it had to be written.
 * Comment I feel that Mr. Bord should be de-admined untill B.O. comes out, or mabey a week before hand GenCain sig.jpg T <font color="Crimson"> C <font color="Gold"> E  <font color="Crimson"> B 10:56, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I feel that Mr. Bord should be de-admined untill B.O. comes out, or mabey a week before hand GenCain sig.jpg<font color="Gold"> T <font color="Crimson"> C <font color="Gold"> E  <font color="Crimson"> B 10:56, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Darth, you were the one who put this forward. If you feel that I should temporarily desysoped, than that is the proposed punishment. If anyone thinks I should be permanently desysoped then they can make a separate discussion. Imrlybord7 10:59, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I put the issue of your desysopment up as a topic, I didn't intend for the voting to begin so soon, I was forced to put up the voting template after several were cast... As it says above the little line, discussion below. I would have had this run much more as a discussion with a possible vote, honestly. You still haven't addressed the points I've brought up pertaining to your apparent relapse to your early patterns of user treatment, and you wish for me to talk to you personally, yet unwillingness to respond to my most recent messages.


 * I forgot to mention that I put this forward as a representative as a group of some of this wiki's senior users (those being, Chiafriend12, Dolten, W567123daniel, CodExpert, primarily) that as a whole, had not decided whether the topic would be a permanent or temporary desysoping. As I told you in my message, I felt that it would be best coming from a friend.


 * Your messages were pretty vague. You never mentioned anything about putting me up for losing adminship. And what do you mean I haven't addressed them? I proved that the majority of your "evidence" against me was completely irrelevant. What else do I have to say? That people are way too sensitive? That you are taking several isolated incidents of user treatment and using them to portray me in an unrealistic way? Well then, there we go. Imrlybord7 11:09, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll be blunt, I've looked at old logs, when you came to the wiki you were very obviously an asshole, and your recent behavior seems to be mirroring it exactly. The PGB incident was ongoing, not isolated, the TMOI incident was very recent, the older posts were to show context, what I'm saying (again) is that you seem to be losing your finesse, you've been quite rude to some recently, and the very post I'm responding to, isn't actually addressing what I asked you to address in the message that was a response to. My messages may not have been filled with links or evidence, but I made it clear I thought you were going over the line, it wasn't until yesterday afternoon that I proposed that this very topic be brought up, it isn't like we've been plotting this, we had a simple discussion regarding this about half an hour before I posted this WR topic.

Neutral, Leaning towards Support - Well, I can't decide. Bord normally is a nice guy, but around now, he's been an asshole. Bord, I'm sorry, and Darth, I'm sorry. I'll have more to say when I get home from school. <font style="background:darkred">  404 Error   File Not Found  Please Try Again 11:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - @Darth The evidence pertaining to PGB is old, to the point where Bord wasn't even an admin. That's not relevant enough to desysop him. He was, however, involved in the TMOI incident, and I feel he (from what I saw) acted responsibly and (no offense) TMOI blew the entire thing out of proportion. -- 11:24, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you read through EVERYTHING I listed? A lot of what was posted was during the recent "Wiki War" in which I posted evidence against PGB. And if you're reading what I'm saying, I said he seems to be repeating his old ways. Don't rebuke something I've said until you read the rest of what I said, thank you.

Firstly, you are forgetting the kind of human being that PGB is, and please bear in mind that you don't know anything about how the dynamics of my relationship with him work (our friendship, if you will). The only people who are qualified to judge any of my dealings with PGB are EightOhEight and Griever (no, I am not blaming you for not understanding my relationship with PGB, only pointing out that you do not). Secondly, that means that the only reasons you are proposing this are for my arguments with TMOI, my message to stark, and the mass deletions. My first argument with TMOI was accidentally started by me and elevated by both of us, so I will definitely take some blame for that. My second "argument" with TMOI was not my fault in the slightest. All I did was block him after reading through some comments that he posted. I had nothing to do with TMOI posting those comments that time (i.e. no provocation or involvement on my part); I only responded to accusations that he made, all of which was done in a fairly civil manner. The only thing even remotely bad that I did there was call him "insane," which was pretty excusable given what he had been saying. Then, as for the message to stark, like I said, I thought he was a vandal/spammer/troll. Saying "what the fuck" to someone isn't exactly a big deal, at least not a big enough deal to get someone desysoped. And lastly, I already addressed the deletions. The decision was not as unilateral as it was made out to be and I would not have done it if it couldn't have been easily undone. I have explained all of this at one point or another, so I don't see how I have dodged any questions. Imrlybord7 11:34, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Let's start then, enlighten us as to how your relationship with PGB works, if we do not understand, help us to.


 * We are friends who insult each other constantly. That's pretty much all there is to it. But once again, pointing out PGB incidents only serves to demonstrate old behavior, it cannot be used as a reason to desysop me. So the reasons are down to saying "what the fuck," accidentally provoking TMOI and then elevating the incident, calling TMOI "insane" after he insulted me excessively, and deleting articles in an act of what I saw as simple maintenance (given the tone of previous discussions and in credence to new policies). Imrlybord7 11:57, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * People seem to be ignoring my "repetition of old patterns" thing. Anyway, I've been up for way too long, I'll let Chia continue this discussion for me once he's on. I'll leave with this: deleting so many articles is something you should have known is not your decision to make alone, and at the very least something you should have brought up, instead of announcing.


 * Acknowledged, but I haven't done anything that even comes close to grounds for desyoping. Imrlybord7 12:07, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Change to Neutral - Per reasons at the top of page. I don't know what to say, I just feel Bord should not lose his powers, but should rather have a cool down period. -- 11:48, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I've seen a fair bit of Bord's comments and activity and I don't think it deserves desysoping :O. Some of the comments are pretty funny, in a dry sorta way. I understand admins and leading figures have to be serious and set an example but things don't want to be overly serious. Bord brings a bit of different perspective IMO. The-Dreamcaster 12:10, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per The Dreamcaster. Bord has not done anything worthy of de-sysoping, he actually is one of the most level-headed, mature contributors here. <font size="3" style="color:DarkOrange;">Sgt.Maj. <font size="3" style="color:red;">Delta <font size="3" style="color:DarkGoldenrod;"> 4-7 13:00, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - Bord does seem to have rash behaviour, but he in no way deserves a de-sysop. Thats next to blocking in terms of punishment to me. Just a talking to and to be put in his place. Slowrider7 13:20, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - It's no secret that Bord can sometimes be short-tempered and get quite fired up about some things, but I think it should be noted that he was not the only one that was feeling belligerent in the PGB debacle (and that includes administrators and users). While that does not mean actions from that period can be forgotten, it makes them less relevant. If Bord were punished on the basis of that scandal, so should other people. I feel that that instance was a learning experience for everyone about proper behavior in major blocks.

More recently, the TMOI incident is a bit perturbing, as is the deletion spree without a War Room discussion. While Bord should not receive a "Get out of jail free" card (he needs to learn to keep his emotions under control, perhaps even be officially warned), desysoping is reserved for extremely corrupt actions. Comparing this to Rs4life7's desysoping is like comparing a molehill to a mountain; what the former did is miles from Bord's recent actions.

I myself do not think that all the hoopla Bord seems to have created should be tolerated, but it is my belief that none of it warrants a desysoping at this time. 13:39, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Ok Kenobi you might now be going to far two desysoping pages in one day. And Bord is a good sysop he showed me how to upload a video though I did get a little scared and decided not to do it. And for PGB he was a complete troll I read all of it and I think that Bord handeld it greatly. And if we get rid of him then who next? At this rate we will lose all our sysops in a week. Bord is a great one we need him and while the giant deletion wasn't great that is only one incident that he really stepped out of line and I think one problem is not enough for desysoping him.

Foxtrot12 15:14, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're completely ignoring that the fact that I brought them up was simply because I happened to be one of a group discussing this, the fact that I brought two desysoping (well, decrat for Darkman, as it now stands) proposals, is irrelevant, saying that I "might now be going to far" is jumping from nowhere to a conclusion. Once again, nobody is denying that Bord has been an excellent editor and sysop, we are simply pointing out that his recent behavior has been unbefitting his positions as a leader of sorts (by example) and that the recent page-deleting spree was power abuse, ultimately, our faith in his competence as an administrator has been shaken, again, I'm simply the one saying this because I'm the one on. It's not denied by any user on this wiki that PGB was a troll, but even if the things said by both sides were said jokingly, that was not clear, and is not necessairly proper behavior for a sysop. "And if we get rid of him then who next?", nobody, we aren't getting rid of him, if this passes, we'd simply be taking away a few tools. There is no "rate", why would anyone decide to attempt to desysop all our admins? That would be foolish, ignorant, rude, plain stupid, ill-intended, poorly thought-out and honestly... (pardon my french) fucking dumb. "One problem", as I've pointed out, more than one.

So we want to desysop Imrlybord7? Why? You say because he is too angry and aggressive. Yes that is true, but he does so to defend this wiki from people who think they can lie and people who think they can get away with anything. The PGB debate is a bad example as he has dealt with that very well. I have seen him lose his cool before, but none of this deserves dysysoping. Also, he is actually a nice person and I have seen the kind side of him. Any acts he did which annoyed people, were done so that the wiki is a better one. I voted Imrlybord7 in to sysopship and not for one day have I changed my mind. 15:21, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Where did I say angry or aggressive? I am in full support of harsh punishment for blatant trolls and vandals, but his actions (as referenced above) were not clear-cut, and in cases, provocation. Of course he's a nice person, he's been a great friend to me and many others, he isn't annoying people (except vandals), but he has stepped beyond his bounds.
 * As he is an administrator, he already has abilities specifically given to him that are to be used to defend the Wiki from such individuals, namely the ability to block. After that, not much else is needed. 23:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Darth when you bring up him 'harrassing' you make this sound more like a personal vendetta then a legitimate desysoping request because if all you can bring up is behavior towards PGB then it really won't work the guy was a complete dick who was offered multiple chances and blew them all intentionaly and we are wantinng to desysop Bord because he wasn't showing the hospitality that Jesus would to him?

Foxtrot12 15:31, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * What you just said made really... very little sense. He's harassed several users, an incident involving me, was a case. I received a block for my reactions in that case, but not so much as a word was said to Bord.


 * You have to be kidding me. Other than mentioning the issue here instead of on the Battlefield Wiki, I was completely innocent on that one. You are well aware of that, Darth. Imrlybord7 17:45, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - MTDAuriga 15:32, June 10, 2010 (UTC)MTDAuriga
 * Don't you have a reason? -- 15:36, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I plead the First MTDAuriga 15:39, June 10, 2010 (UTC)MTDAuriga
 * Auriga, that makes no sense to plead the First. You still need a reason here. Slowrider7 15:42, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Ok, fine, my reason is that I looked over the links provided, and I think that he should be de sysoped. I still think, however, that he does not deserve a ban. MTDAuriga 15:46, June 10, 2010 (UTC)MTDAuriga


 * You realize that desysoping is a much harsher punishment than a block, correct? Also, as I said, almost all of the links provided are not actual evidence against me. Which links did you look at, specifically, that make you feel that way? Imrlybord7 17:45, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Neutral - As chill a bro as Bord may be, he has made his mistakes. However, his opinions usually rationalize situations, so I can't come to a direct coclusion. 15:41, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Bord is an amazing sysop. He may have "harassed" PGB, but to be quite honest the things PGB did was unacceptable and he was a stupid dick. Bord also really helped me when I first joined this wikia and without him I wouldn't be the wikian I am now. If Bord got Desysop, I would be very upset. <font style="background:red">  Lima Oscar Zulu Zulu Alpha

Oppose - I feel that Bord has done nothing that warrants a desysopping. He may have overreacted on the rare occasion, but everyone does. If you are going to strip his powers for a week, so be it, but I don't feel there's a need for a permanent fix to solve this "problem". (forgot my sig) Brothertim 15:46, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Okay, here's my list of exactly why I love Bord. Why do any of you think I have some sort of vendetta against somebody that's been so goddamn gracious to me? This is a vote on a strictly professional level, why are so many users bringing up "he's nice"? Friendships have to stay out of this or I'd have never brought this OR the Darkman forum up.
 * Extremely friendly when I first joined
 * Took me under his wing as his "Padawan"
 * Been a great friend when I needed one
 * Chill bro
 * Enforcer on the wiki (Template:Enforcer created just for him and Griever initially)

Comment - PGB has asked me to post the following:

[http://pgbd.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Peter_Griffen_Boy#You_are_really_wearing_on_my_patience. Threatening to have PGB banned]

I'd like to repeat, he asked me to post that link, that's what he called it, he says "second paragraph last two or three sentences".

So you're using PGB to back up your case? 16:11, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I saw nothing wrong with what was contained in that link. 16:13, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * You jump to conclusions AR, PGB asked me to post that for him, as he is blocked, he's read the forum and wished that be added in.

I may jump to conclusions, but I want this to end. Plus why drag him in? I know he asked for it but he'll try anything to get back at Bord. 16:17, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Jumping to conclusions shows you have no desire to see this through justly, this has to be taken seriously. I did the guy a favor, I didn't "drag him in". I don't care about his motivations, he asked nicely.

But I see through the mist of anger and uncertainity and I realise that this isn't real life. I will now roam free and happy because I know there is a way out. This is just a games wiki after all. 16:22, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please do not spam, this is serious business, if you don't actually care, then close the tab/window.

Oppose - Aside from deleting some articles without discussing it with other admins, I see nothing wrong. Bord was upholding some valid arguments about racism, vandalization, pure ignorance, and just trying to keep this wiki clean. As for what he said to PGB, I whole heartedly agree with bord. <font style="background:white"> DjuNgle B  16:28, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose that is so strong they're feeling it in Cuba - I don't fucking BELIEVE this! Are we really going to de-sysop one of our most trusted users, just because of a few trivial mistakes, and because he was being bold??? What happened to COD:AGF? If anyone deserves to be a sysop, it's Bord. I, and many others, like and respect him. I think I am one of the only users who understand that that stupid bloody blog comment towards TMOI was a JOKE! '''A JOKE! '''And PGB deserved what he got. Seriously, I am shocked at this. You guys took some little mistakes, and turned them into one big cock-up. Sgt. S.S. 17:04, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you believe in COD:AGF so much, why aren't you assuming the good-faith of this proposal?

Oppose- I do not know Bord much, but i believe he has the wiki's best interests at heart. Sure he made a couple of mistakes, but no one's perfect.

Comment - :Joke or not, that post was completely innapropreeit and he shouldn't have said it. He needed to have though to himself. "Maybe this will offend someone" instead of "Lulz this will be funny and I bet everyone has seen the movie or whatever this quote it from" --TMOI 17:10, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - @Darth: Because I don't see an OUNCE of good faith in this proposal. Bord made a few dumb mistakes, and now everyone's screaming "hez abusing hiz power!!!!1111oneoneeleven". This has been blown completely out of proportion - it's like PGB all over again! @TMOI: He explained that it was a joke, and you still wouldn't let it go. Sgt. S.S. 17:13, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Quick addition: I'm just going to paste what Bord said on Chia's talk page:

"I will explain it again. TMOI was posting blatantly racist comments in a blog. I was not in communication with him while he was doing it nor was he provoked by any other user. I came in, saw the comments, and told him that because of what he said he would be blocked for 3 days and that I would be much harsher in dealing with any future racism from him. He then asked for an explanation as to why he was blocked on his talk page, and I said that it was for calling the French "cowards" and saying that everything that wasn't Russian was "gay" or a "piece of shit." Then he flipped out to a ridiculous extent. The only thing I did that went over the line slightly was call him "insane," but that was way after the fact and given what he had been saying it wasn't exactly unwarranted. Oh, and then there were the quotes about killing Americans on his user page, which I would not tolerate regardless of nationality (except for, say, Nazis). Once again, I did not get involved whatsoever until I had already blocked him for the racist comments. And if you think that what he said wasn't racist, well... then I am both floored and speechless."

Please read through everything I put in bold, and you'll see that Bord was, actually, justified in what he did. Sgt. S.S. 17:22, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're making yourself look, pardon my frankness, a kiss-ass. In no way can his own words completely justify his actions, he is not completely at fault but neither is he innocent, Bovell and WYK both realize this. By attempting to "sway" us with your words, you are simply making us laugh, you're really being a hypocrite and at that, using the words of others to make your point.


 * Woah there, cowboy. I'll admit that the first TMOI incident was partially my fault, but the quote S.S. is providing is from the second incident, in which, like I said, the only bad thing I did "was call him 'insane'" "way after the fact". Other than that incredibly minor detail, all of my actions were 100% justified during that instance. Imrlybord7 17:45, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

SSS; I may I refer you to this: "Shit? Bullets? Main Menu? These articles are totally unnecessary and make me think that you are a troll/vandal. Cut the crap. Imrlybord7 05:31, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you know that the articles are stupid, please don't be annoying on purpose. Imrlybord7 23:17, June 9, 2010 (UTC)"
 * It was a message to a new user that was actually improveing the wiki. Administrators are supposed to be role-models to users and act proffesionally around them and to maintain a wiki. Bord has not been doing so recently, does that sound like a role model above? No. What Bord said is wrong, trolls and vandals do an entirely different thing, I agree that the articles were pointless but that Sstark guy imporved the wiki. Trolls are people who try to annoy people on purpse, vandals are people who try to ruin things oon purpose. --CodExpert 17:31, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * In what way was he improving the wiki? He made an article titled "Shit." How could I have not thought he was a vandal or troll? Imrlybord7 17:45, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose-Bord has done a lot more for the wiki than you have.[[Image:tank.gif|30px]]<font color="#FF00FF">nlm gr [[Image:tank.gif|30px]] 17:35, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Nlmgr: May I ask to whom that is refering towards? --CodExpert 17:42, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * @CodExpert: Now I know I am violating some policy by saying this, but Bord has done more than Kenobi, no questions asked.[[Image:tank.gif|30px]]<font color="#FF00FF">nlm gr [[Image:tank.gif|30px]] 17:44, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * May I say that Darth is not the only one involved in starting this forum, as I am also. So if you say that you are saying it to me and other users. And may I say, that was not a good reason to oppose. Sure he has helped the wiki, but he has not been acting as like a good administrator. --CodExpert 17:49, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * @ CodExpert-Bord has done more than most people on the wiki, you and myself included,if you want to put it that way.[[Image:tank.gif|30px]]<font color="#FF00FF">nlm gr [[Image:tank.gif|30px]] 17:54, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who has done more is completely irrelevant here. 23:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment- thats what i like to hear, pure logic.

Comment- But the ban before that about racism turned out to be fake and Bord was blocked for 36 hours for flamebaiting. I still haven't gotten an answer as to how saying "AK-47 beats M16" is racist, but oh well. No offense to you Bord. --TMOI 17:46, June 10, 2010 (UTC) (Wtf. I pressed the sig button. xD)

Comment- The blog itself was not racist, what you said on it was. Sign your posts, also.<font color="#FF00FF">nlm gr  17:42, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

@ TMOI: I never said that that comment was racist. However, it did have very racist undertones to it (hating America and promoting Russia over other countries), so I asked if you thought that Russian people were superior to other people, and you said yes. But hopefully you already understand why calling the French "cowards" and saying that anything that isn't Russian is "a piece of shit" or "gay" is racist. Also, I was never blocked for 36 hours. I don't know where you keep getting that from. Imrlybord7 17:48, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

@Bord- That is not racism, it is ultranationalism.<font color="#FF00FF">nlm gr  17:51, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I posted a lot of responses throughout the page after being offline for a while. Please consult the following link to easily see all of them. http://callofduty.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Desysoping_Imrlybord7&diff=prev&oldid=398925 Imrlybord7 17:52, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment- This whole thing looked like flaimbait to me.

Comment - Bord, I don't think you know this, but we aren't blind. We click "Contributions" "User block log" and there. Boom your block log. --TMOI 17:55, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you aren't blind you also know how to read the date. lol Imrlybord7 17:55, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

oh lol --TMOI 17:56, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose- He's a good guy, but doesn't everyone have off days now or then? With a bit of research, you could probably find other admins who have gone and done similar stuff to bord. But generally, Bord is a good guy, and without people bitching about behind his back (excuse the language there), things would get better. HeatedPeteTalk 17:57, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Lol, sorry Bord, at times I can be (Pardon my french,) Fucking retarded. --TMOI 17:59, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Sorry for the repeat, but there are several things I brought up here that I would like my opposition to address, so I'm just going to post the link again. http://callofduty.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Desysoping_Imrlybord7&diff=prev&oldid=398925 Imrlybord7 18:05, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

@Darth: Well then, you'll have to call me a kiss-ass, because I wholeheartedly support Bord on this. And, either way, creating a page entitled "Shit" is probably going to be marked as a troll, any CoD fan should have the common sense to know what bullets are, and "Main Menu" has nothing to do with CoD. So, as you can see, none of the pages were deleted without good reason. Sgt. S.S. 18:31, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Erm, no, what the hell are you people doing? 20:09, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - plain and simple <font color="Green"> Talk  20:18, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - For what he done, he shouldn't still be a sysop. Saying much more than I did when I got a block. A LOT MORE <font size="2" color="red">Bravo Five-Nine TB 20:24, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Not enough Main Space edits to vote in the War Room <font color="Green"> Talk  22:52, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Man, I leave the wiki for two days and this happens. This is why Doctor's don't go on holiday. Per all the admin's that voted oppose. PGB stuff is in the past. He has made a few mistakes, but everyone makes mistakes. Doc.  Richtofen  21:28, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per all opposing. This is ridiculous. -- <font style="background:gold">  Griever0311   00:16, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment- can we just close this down, bord is obviously not getting dy-syopsed

Comment - As much as we'd all love to put this discussion to rest, discussions of this nature are always left open for at least a week (and almost always at least two) So not yet.--WouldYouKindly 01:03, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment I get back from a nap and another half dozen votes with very little reasoning? I've seen only Bovell and Bord address all of the points brought up, which is more than I can say for "This is ridiculous." and the several "I love the wiki for two days and this happens." Bord, I'll be addressing your rebuttals shortly, I apologize for the long wait. Doc, you've addressed only the "PGB stuff" and "a few mistakes". WYK, what about the fact that it wasn't his decision and if he were desysoped he could easily and successfully submit another RfA? Just because he loses, does not mean that he can't regain the position. I've so much of "He's a good guy" (and comments to that effect) that I'm sick, this is not about his amiability, it's about his ability to effectively handle his duties as a sysop, that includes not swearing at new users that might not have known how we work. It's clear his dealings with TMOI and PGB could very easily be taken as provocation, anything less than accepting this is a denial of fact. Just because your perception doesn't agree with him not being a perfect admin, doesn't mean you're right. I'm saddened that this discussion has descended into such disappointing behavior on both sides. TMOI, your comment about him being "fucking retarded" sometimes is unacceptable, Sgt Safe-Sex's comments could have done well with no swearing and some actual reasoning. I want to see somebody address what I've brought up (which nobody has) that Bord seems to recently have been acting a bit like he did when he was new (according to archives, as I wasn't around) and a short cooldown desysoping would be great, this, I might add, was brought up by Darkman as well. Well, what do you say, cooldown? How about this, I'll start a new vote below, feel free to simply add your vote if you've already spoke/voted here. Thank you.

Comment - The heat is high at the moment, so I'm restricting my participation in this discussion to just one post. Imrlybord7 has shown that he is willing to do the menial administrative tasks of the wiki in a timely and proactive manner. However, as I raised as a concern in his RfA long ago, I'm not fond of the way he goes about dealing with user issues. It's way too personal and not befitting for a person who is meant to be neutral. While all this public shaming is going on, the admin team needs to get together and have a serious discussion amongst themselves as to how go about their duties in the best possible manner and work on following that protocol in future. --Scottie theNerd 06:29, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Desysoping, Permanent, Temporary, None?
Per all said above, starting a new vote to allow for a temporary "cooldown" desysoping, as Bord has obviously been "off his game" recently, but has an excellent history as an admin.

Permanent Desysoping - 0

 Cooldown Period - 4

Oppose - 0

Temporary - Again, please replace your vote if you already voted, if you haven't voted yet, an explanation would be appreciated, thank you.

Temporary - Per all said above. --CodExpert 02:54, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

FYI - I'm not sure why he hasn't voted yet (perhaps still thinking), but Chia friend provided a good amount of the evidence, opposed the Deletions on the grounds that it wasn't Bord's decision and he and everyone should have known that, and that Chia was involved in the discussion that led to the creation of this forum, you all are getting off like I'm some lowly user trying to get rid of an admin that I don't like, when I've stated he's one of my friends on the wiki, a great guy, a great editor, but his recent behavior is not up to par, and I'm not the only one that was involved in this. If you take so much damn pleasure in giving absolutely no reasoning other than "this is ridiculous" you're just losing the respect of myself and any user with enough logic to realize "ridiculous" or "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS???" are not real reasons, they are the outbursts of those that refuse to even attempt to see things the way we have come to see them. I am downright depressed right now, and the lack of any attempt at understanding in this forum isn't helping. In all honesty, if every oppose voter refuses to consider all of our points, I'm leaving, I've lost faith in the competency of the admins in terms of user treatment and relations.


 * Chia does not vote. Imrlybord7 09:44, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I never said he was completely innocent, but do you really think he deleted those articles with malicious intent? He just interpreted the new policies differently, which was an honest mistake. Bord is not a vandal or an idiot, he wouldn't have done something like that if he didn't think it would help the wiki.--WouldYouKindly 03:59, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

TemporaryJust in these recent months, Bord has gotten carried away with his position and a cooldown would be perfect. But as Darth said, he has had an excellent history of being an admin. 08:05, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Temporary cool down period - Per points above -- 09:20, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - A vote was already conducted and the only people who failed to explain themselves well were Mau5killer, Foxtrot, MTD, and Nlmgr. If we strike their votes we get... 9 supports and 19 opposes. This is getting stupid, Darth. You are starting another vote because you can't handle losing. You actually do not have the right to do that, in case you were unaware (which you apparently were). Think fifth amendment here. If you had immediately closed down the above voting and explained that you wanted voting to occur later, this would be acceptable. But you didn't. That doesn't give you the right to throw it out and have another shot at me. Every voter has considered every point, but your biggest problem from the outset was that you do not understand what warrants a desysoping. Even if I was "convicted" of all charges, desysoping would still not be a realistic punishment (and yes, I will use the word "punishment"). And I have no idea who you think you are to tell the likes of Bovell, WYK, and Griever that their opinions are wrong. On a more personal note, if my not getting desysoped has you "depressed" and thinking of leaving, I really can't think that you place much value on me as a person or on our friendship. And now I drop the bomb. You were one of the only three people on this entire wiki who knew that my grandfather passed away on May 19 and that I had been making up a shitload of school work since. As I said to Sactage last night (paraphrasing here), "I did not announce it to the world because I do not want or need pity, but some understanding from a good friend would have been nice." Imrlybord7 09:44, June 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I started this vote because a lot of people were advocating a cooldown. "This is ridiculous" is not an explanation, it's a statement. I can handle losing, you seem to be the one that can't. I asked that all who had voted readd their votes, with a new third option available to them. What part of the fifth? I didn't want voting to occur later, so I wouldn't say I did. It isn't "another shot" it's allowing people, again I say this, to choose another option several had shown interest in. I never said that their opinions were wrong, I said I saw Bovell's points, his views on how your behavior should be handled was simply different than my own and that of others. WYK refuses to address all points I bring up, as do you, instead focusing on those you can address, while twisting my words. I never said this had me depressed, I said the lack of any ability to look at this proposal without any bias by so many was not helping me while I have been depressed for personal reasons. I'm going to leave if you're allowed to continue this, you're attempting to make this personal. I've explained exactly why I respect and like you, but this is not about liking you, this is about your behavior, your competency, and your ability to handle this maturely.

Comment - This: harassment of an IP was recently brought to my attention, while it isn't a user, is speaking that way to anybody something we want an admin doing?


 * That was one of JouninOfDespair's IP addresses. At the time, he was beyond crazy. If you contacted him now he would tell you not to blame me, I guarantee it. Imrlybord7 10:36, June 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was about to say, it appears that your messages on that page were tampered with, withdrawn.


 * "Per ______" does count as an explanation. Also, I'm... not... losing? Double jeopardy. And you just said, "I put the issue of your desysopment up as a topic, I didn't intend for the voting to begin so soon, I was forced to put up the voting template after several were cast... As it says above the little line, discussion below. I would have had this run much more as a discussion with a possible vote, honestly." So yeah, you obviously did want voting to occur later than it did. What points haven't I addressed? Imrlybord7 10:43, June 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying when you said "later", I had it in my mind you meant much later. You haven't addressed what gave you the idea that deleting so many pages would be yours to delete. And of course, you just tried to make this entire thing personal, it's business, but I had a feel you'd take it personally.


 * I already explained that many, many times. You are free to peruse this very discussion, the other forum you started (duties and whatnot), and Chia's talk page. I'm done re-posting the same points over and over. Imrlybord7 10:56, June 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * You've explained what you thought it was, and why you wanted to do it, not why you believed that it was simple maintenance, as you call it. You have stated your reasoning, but not explained it.


 * "While I was a bit stunned at the mass deletion, looking at other threads, the decision to delete at least some of the articles was not as spontaneous and unilateral as some make it out to be. At least with country articles, several countries have been put up for AfD with practically no input from the community; the issue was raised and generally agreed upon in the COD:G revision topic; and another thread was started specifically for the deletion of nation articles, in which a handful of users unanimously agreed to my proposal to delete all nation articles. While I would have otherwise gone through the same process of discussion for battles and locations, I don't believe Imrlybord7 was out of place in bringing the discussion to its practical conclusion -- albeit without a notification in the respective threads. --Scottie theNerd 09:33, June 8, 2010 (UTC)" Imrlybord7 11:08, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Per what I said in the above section. [[File:Emblem-throwing-knife-soda-2-.jpg]]<font style="background:silver"> Sgt.  Dunn  11:09, June 11, 2010 (UTC)