Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops

THERE IS NO M60 on the weapons page in nam we had m60's kinda got jammed alot though (policy breach much?)

Tsar Bomba
In campaign mode are they going to show the Russians testing their hydrogen bomb which was called "Tsar Bomba", the Russians tested their bomb during the Cold War.

That's no AK47!
Look at its magazine, it's not curved enough to be an AK-47 magazine. If you compare it to the AK-47 in CoD4 or Mw2, you'll clearly see the difference. To me, I'd say its an AKM, but it might be one of those copies like a Vz58. 78.147.29.224 08:22, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

There is an AK47 in the game. Watch one of the videos of Payback from E3 and before they capture the Helicopter they will run over a few weapons: AK-47 and SPAS


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGMjVPNlUU

in this link, at 4:36, you can see an ak pickup icon, it says ak-47. but it's only visible for a split second before the spas pickup icon. Play2often 14:07, June 22, 2010 (UTC) play2often, 6-22-10

Yeah alright, I can barely make it out but I think it says AK-47. However, that may just be a mistake on Treyarch's behalf, as the AKs with the less curved magazines I was refering to was in all the other trailers. Maybe they'll model it on the AKM but call it an AK-47... Which is wierd because I figured they'd just reskin the CoD4 Ak-47. Well, perhaps they may add both, but it's a bit unlikely. 92.27.72.37 21:13, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Create-a-Class
Just noticed the mention of create a class including appearance as well as weapons etc. in this game - but no citation. Any idea where this info is from? Cheers, Pritstick94 20:36, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Zombies
i was taliking to a kid on ps3 who said his dads friend works for treyarch. he said he played black ops and the new nazi zombies

could somebody please confirm this? Beastly20


 * It's an outright lie, not to mention that gullible is written on your ceiling. Imrlybord7 19:28, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * you are so confused. if you go to itunes store and put call of duty black ops prewiew they say yoy zombie mode are back and the symbol of treyach
 * If someone online says they/parents work for any game company. They are most likly lieing. Nacht der Untoten Poster2.jpg Conqueror of  all Zombies  Ta lk NaziZombies.jpg 00:42, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Gamestop stated that the first 300,000 people to pre-order the gae would receive a double sided poster.They clame that it might have secrets hidden within it.On one side there is a string of numbers,208.75.21828,If typed into your URL you will be confronted with a webpage from Gamestop that says the page is under construction.On the bottom corner there is also a phone number,877-386-4270,If called you will hear what appears to be the new mystery box tune when opened.
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUXo0scRqz4&feature=related
 * http://www.boogaming.com/
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUXo0scRqz4&feature=related
 * http://www.boogaming.com/

.357 Magnum Confirmed
The .357 was seen in the Call of Duty: Black Ops stage demo at E3. It was paired with a "Tactical Flashlight" attachment. Could someone please add it to the list of confirmed pistols?

the picure i uploaded of it is titled Blackops357.jpg



REZNOV!AdvancedRookie 18:57, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

That ain't Reznov... Elberto 19:43, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Wait now that I've seen the e3 demo again, that guy appeared to have slight Russian accent... Elberto 19:52, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

How can you tell it's a .357 Magnum from that screenshot, and not a .44, or another caliber? ? --  Griever0311   20:00, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

It was said that it is a .357 Magnum in the E3 demo Elberto 20:06, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

tactical flashlight lololololol --Ashwilso12 20:45, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ash, that's how military and police forces carry it, to increase accuracy and use a flashlight. I think it might be REZNOV, it looks a lot like him. Since it's been confirmed, it wouldn't suprise me, the fellow looks a bit old, as reznov would be. PFC.Stockholm 21:35, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

It is confirmed that it is a .357 Magnum. Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvxoVMy8x5I and skip to 0:04.

Alright. Anon has proof. Ill edit the page. Slowrider7 15:19, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

HAHA!!! Tactical Flashhlight!!! LOL! --Usyflad10 16:25, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

LOL he sorta looks like sam fisher xD... or am i crazy? El Jellyfisho 08:00, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

New AR
Attached with Grenade Launcher. Anyone catch it's name? Also confirmed you can fly a Hind Helicopter. F Brushfire 19:17, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

It was not really clear but I thought it said "Commando...", might be the CAR-15 Commando Elberto 19:42, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Is it the CAR-15 Commando? Looked too bulky for that, but I dunno. F Brushfire 20:12, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

I know it looks a bit strange, but that's because the gunsling is wrapped around the gun. At first I thought it was a ACR, but that's impossible XD. Elberto 20:16, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

I think its the CAR-15. Based on the footage, it might be called "Commando" in-game instead of "CAR-15 Commando". Darkman 4 02:39, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

It's confirmed to be called the "Commando". Go watch the E3 demo on the youtube channel of IGN, it's got good quality and you can clearly see that it says "Commando Grenade Launcher" Elberto 20:17, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

In multiple videos from e3, the Mark Lamia refers to the grenade launcher attachment as the "China Lake Grenade Launcher" Attachemnt. I hope that helps something (JayPeezey 16:54, June 17, 2010 (UTC))

Where can I watch the E3 demo?
I can't find it anywhere. Linky? Imrlybord7 20:08, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

i think i just found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvxoVMy8x5I Domoguyy97 20:13, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I've been looking for it too. Sgt.  Dunn  21:34, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

What!?
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/06/live-blog-microsofts-e3-2010-press-conference/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

A deal has been made with Activision so that in 2010, 2011 and 2012, all game download add-ons and map packs for all Call of Duty games will launch exclusively on Xbox 360. That's gotta suck for PC and PS3 owners.

Random Man 0213 20:45, June 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * THAT BETTER BE BULLSHIT --Ashwilso12 20:48, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Robert Koltick can burn in hell.AdvancedRookie 20:49, June 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wait, maybe exclusively means like whats going on now with the mw2 map packs? just 30 days early? surely activision cant be that retarded ??? --Ashwilso12 20:50, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed in Microsoft's E3. F Brushfire 21:54, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Then if there is zombie mode no PS3 map packs well does anyone think that microsoft is overpowered.

What does "exclusively" mean though? Shotrocket6 22:58, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

They get them a month early, as already happens. 360 don't get them completely and the other two don't, they would be unfair. F Brushfire 23:21, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

if that happens im going to be pissed off and get a xbox

"Does anyone think Microsoft is overpowered." For that Anon, I want to stab you in the neck. Slowrider7 01:28, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Greaaat, something more for 360 fanboys to brag and rant about.135twilight 01:37, June 16, 2010 (UTC)135twilight
 * i dont think that microsoft was retarded enough to pay incredible amounts to stop PS3 and PC from getting it they probably get it in advance, i mean PS^3 and PC users paying for DLC is a major money source for activision so unless xbox paid a huge amount to be the only ones who get the DLC no worries, then again they are retarded
 * I doubt it,Perhaps a misannoucment or maybe a joke to people to get the game to see or not, I highly doubt it though,They would lose alot of money. Trayvin 21:52, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

breach footage

 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnbCRhpvd2w nice. liking the look of that aug... --Ashwilso12 21:39, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me or does the character you play as talk? I've noticed it in the other video too. Anyone notice that?PFC.Stockholm 21:46, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the playable character can talk. Treyarch did it so that your character stands out, I think.

Random Man 0213 21:49, June 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * yeh treyarch have said that the character will have a voice, and play a more centre role that previous titles. also that stuff about the ballistic knife may be legit, look at the bottom right, he has 10 knives in his equipment slot, as well as 4 frags. better quality vid http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-call-of/101261 --Ashwilso12 21:51, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * What is the object that is bound to the left button in the video? The AUG has no noob toob on it, it looks like a carrot or a ice cream cone.Sliderkk 02:33, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like a knife. Darkman 4 02:42, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Putting 2 and 2 together, it's an icecream cone, because their in snow, all he needs if flavoring, and he can eat them whenever he wants :D. Nah. in my opinion, I was hoping not to see throwing knives return, but oh well. PFC.Stockholm 15:24, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * You know what I think, they should have the ballistic knife in multiplayer but to balance it they should make it usable only once and upon using it, your melee attack switches to rifle butt (or punching if you have a pistol) which would take 2 hits to kill a person.135twilight 01:42, June 16, 2010 (UTC)135twilight
 * Putting 2 and 2 together, it's an icecream cone, because their in snow, all he needs if flavoring, and he can eat them whenever he wants :D. Nah. in my opinion, I was hoping not to see throwing knives return, but oh well. PFC.Stockholm 15:24, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * You know what I think, they should have the ballistic knife in multiplayer but to balance it they should make it usable only once and upon using it, your melee attack switches to rifle butt (or punching if you have a pistol) which would take 2 hits to kill a person.135twilight 01:42, June 16, 2010 (UTC)135twilight
 * You know what I think, they should have the ballistic knife in multiplayer but to balance it they should make it usable only once and upon using it, your melee attack switches to rifle butt (or punching if you have a pistol) which would take 2 hits to kill a person.135twilight 01:42, June 16, 2010 (UTC)135twilight

characters
weaver is in wmd

swift is in the mission in the tunnels

hes the one who gets stabbed in the throat

Swift gets stabbed in the chest, I'm pretty sure. When the player walks past him and looks, the wound is on his chest. Sgt.  Dunn  21:45, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

theres also a guy named bowman. woods yells out his name in the beginning of the demo.

Dialouge/Reznov Confirmation?
Video of gameplay

Start at :20. What do you hear there? Since it's been confirmed that your character talks, i hear the dialoug as this:


 * Man falls*

Playable Character: Reznov! You almost took a bullet

Reznov: No one fights alone, Mason. I'll work my way around. no one fights alone that is so reznov they even showed him saying that in waw

(If you watch carefully, the first part that I think is mason talking, it doesn't appear that the man's lips are moving, so thats why I presume it is the character talking. also, the man in black has an accent, and appears similar to Reznov. anyone agree? PFC.Stockholm 21:59, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is Reznov, I know that voice when I hear it. 22:25, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

''You never know by a voice. Voice-acters get swapped a lot, but I'm sure it's him. PFC.Stockholm 22:27, June 14, 2010 (UTC)''

Sounds to me like he says "Fresno" xD But he probably has wierd accent, like that guy in "Black Cats". I laughed so hard when he said "Uhhh I see muwtipuw casuwawties in the wawtah!" God he sounded like a baby. KillerKing17 11:06, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

^^ That was a boston accent, haha. Americans always have butchered the Russian language, so maybe he's not saying it right or his accent makes it sound off. PFC.Stockholm 15:25, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Slightly New Trailer
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-call-of/101262

Plus, to any of the admins, there is a lot of new gameplay videos and new information so the article needs to be updated. 22:42, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yup. Sorry to the rest of the admins but I'm relying on Darkman4 to update it, he seems to do it mostly. :P F Brushfire  22:50, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

I've restored it to semiprotected for now until people start speculating again.--WouldYouKindly 22:53, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

In fairness, we all know that will happen tomorrow. :/ Hopefully it'll go okay, I'm going to wait for the professionals to do the edits before I do anything though. F Brushfire 23:20, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

WhoooHooo Eminem is in ANOTHER Cod trailer. GOOOO EMINEM Rampantlion513 23:53, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

I'm visiting family until Wednessday afternoon, so I don't have time to get on and add new BO info as soon as it goes live. Darkman 4 00:32, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * What's the weapon at 00:37? it reminds me of the Walther MPL. Darkman 4 01:15, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * It looks like this version of the MP5. Chief z 02:06, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * So basically we'll be able to use the MP5 that appears in STALKER? Kewl. Darkman 4 02:10, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I need to pick up a copy of that game. It got me interested in Prypiat WAAYY before All Ghillied Up. /sadface BTW, I think that was our G3/MP5 mystery gun at 0:22 in the teaser trailer. The atmosphere looks the same. Chief z 02:23, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * In a the black ops "uncut reveal trailer" at 0:15 if you stop at the right moment you see some kind of sniper rifle that gets sensored. what could it be?
 * In a the black ops "uncut reveal trailer" at 0:15 if you stop at the right moment you see some kind of sniper rifle that gets sensored. what could it be?

gameplay for BO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA3s-gq_9D4 CodfanCodfan

Quotes
I think the quote "we need to bring him back" should be on the page.

other suggestions can go here also.

Blood
The blood splater will be like it was in MW2. 01:24, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ugh, source? That sounds horrible, the "blood" in MW2 was diluted water. F Brushfire 12:11, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

You don't need a source for blood splater, just watch the video and whenever the player gets hurt you will see. 19:07, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, but unlike MW2 it seems the blood is only on the edges of the screen, not all over. Imrlybord7 19:44, June 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that it's not as horrible looking as MW2's, but it still looks like someone just smeared strawberry jelly on your goggles whenever you get hit (who knew the Viet Cong used Jell-o ammunition?)--WouldYouKindly 06:19, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Trying not to banter here, but you think Treyarch would realise that's not actually what blood looks like, y'know? F Brushfire  11:49, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's gonna be ALOT better then MW2's version,Infact, look in a slowed down trailer, You can see splats of a blood,legs being blown off,So it's not gonna be like Mw2's Infact,It's probably gonna be alot better,As in you can blow of just knee caps,or snap necks from behind. Trayvin 20:54, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Russian Forces
We should add a link. ( [ [ Soviet Union | Russion Forces ] ] ) SkullRod Talk | Edits

Spas shotgun not Spas 12?
In the breach video it said Spas instead of Spas 12 could that just be a shortened name or a new gun.
 * Its the SPAS-12. I'll make it redirect to the proper SPAS-12 page. Darkman 4 01:37, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * N/m, somebody already did it. Darkman 4 02:03, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

unnamed revolver?

 * how come the 357 mag has been re listed as an "unknown revolver" its def the 357, it even says it in the footage. --Ashwilso12 08:07, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Proof that it says .357? Either get a Sysop to confirm it or post screenshots. Slowrider7 14:46, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

It is a .357 mag. I think we should add it to WaW's .357 page. 20:54, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA3s-gq_9D4 at 0.04 quality is awful, and cbf to screencap --Ashwilso12 15:40, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

new footage

 * e3 delivers!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9njuGW0cLP4 i wish they would show us more weapons than the aug, spas, or another 9001 m16 variants tho

Looks sick, can't wait for this game. SkullRod Talk | Edits
 * also lol if the car is actually called the commando pro, hahaha 3:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQy6XK2Ijls in that vid he also refers to the china lake as an undermounted assualt attachment as apposed to an individual launcher 12:56 --Ashwilso12 16:30, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * We can also see the name of the AUG (well, if we get a higher quality version) so that we can actually make an article and people will stop adding BO sections to the HBAR page! Imrlybord7 21:51, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ashwilso12
 * It is indeed an AK-47, not a different AK variant. Imrlybord7 21:54, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

-- 16:30, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just says AUG Multiple Attachments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX5tqhUAYOM

Trivia
I think we should move it above the trailers, that way the formatt doesn't get all messed up and wierd looking. SkullRod Talk | Edits

Confirmation on FAL or on gun from FAL family
I saw this gun in the new "Call of Duty: Black Ops Remix - Eminem - Won't Back Down" video and i saw a gun in there and i was wondering could anyone confirm if, as i think it is, it a FAL or a gun from the FAL family. I have taken the liberty of taking a still from the video of the gun.



I think that is the CAR-15.AdvancedRookie 19:26, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

It seems to be a CAR-15, don't get excited,  Skaterman. 23   19:31, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of the L1A1 though. 19:35, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

True,  Skaterman. 23   19:39, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry guys, but that is definitely a CAR-15. The stock is a dead giveaway, and then the rest just falls into place. Imrlybord7 19:44, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

OK, if your definitely sure its a CAR-15, ill add it to the confirmed assualt rifles list.

Tom LV69 10:32, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

It's nothing like a FAL. It's a CAR-15 Commando.

Chart about guns
Who ever made the chart about the confirmed weapons please revert in back too its original form, (unless the admins want it that way). 22:44, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

If anything, shouldn't the titles of the table be at the top, not the sides anyway? It's an alright idea for simplistic layout but the way it's set out at the moment is just stupid. Either fix the table or revert it, please? :) F Brushfire  00:07, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Damn, I can just see the admins protecting this page now because of that chart. 01:52, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Eminem
I have just watched the remix trailer and it is amazing and Eminem is just the best.Gman111 06:40, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

MW2 one was better. Vietnam dosent deserve a light song like that. Slowrider7 06:41, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Did he do a MW2 one?Gman111 06:46, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, he did the song "till i collapse" which was in the release date trailer Tom LV69 10:56, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

The should've had something fitting to the era, like the doors or something :D Because in vietnam they had giant speakers in helis, and they'd play music like "Ride of the Valkyries" to scare the **** out of the vietcong PFC.Stockholm 18:13, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Protect page again?
I'm starting to see speculation and other garbage come in. I think its time to protect this page again. Darkman 4 16:06, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Seconed. Slowrider7 16:07, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

It's unlikely that much more is going to be added from E3 and if it's needed then we can always ask here. I agree; protect it again. F Brushfire 11:49, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Factions/Friendly
Should we add the Marines? They appear in the mission Slaughter House. SkullRod Talk | Edits

I'd check with an admin first just to be sure but if they are in the game than it should be in the article. 02:30, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's fine with me. Darkman 4 02:54, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll go add them now. SkullRod   Talk  |  Edits  00:27, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Heartless?
In the missions section there says there is a mission called Heartless that is skippable. It shows a citation but i went to that website and there was nothing about it. Should we delete it?Moiz1224 19:16, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. Darkman 4 19:22, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ur welcome :) Moiz1224 02:23, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Beta?
Anyone got an idea if theres going to be one? I'm participating in the BlackOps website just incase there is one, and thats how it's released. Fairly simple for that reward. Anyone got any news on it?PFC.Stockholm 23:18, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Treyarch has strongly hinted at a beta, but nothing has been confirmed at this time. Imrlybord7 02:25, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Civies


looks like we got some civilians in this game, hold your fire.

black ops military adviser
The video doesn't even look real. It's a fake. This is SkullRod, out. 20:14, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * tanks confirmed? tbf this is treyarch its not suprising at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IesR6PY2qMA --Ashwilso12 23:20, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Well,If you look at the new trailer closely,you see this picture,for like 1 second, So this may the next part of where your heli is spinning,you jump in the window,and this happens next maybe, it looks like it. Trayvin 21:56, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Woot!
M1911 Continues its game streak!  Skaterman. 23   00:15, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia/Dumb "Fact"
Someone just put this in trivia:

Call of Duty: Black Ops is the first game that's cover box is doesn't show any person on it. It instead only shows smoke and the logo

NO...It's the pre-order box! Who put that in? Can someone remove it? It was different w/ MW2's pre-order box...and in several ads for this game it shows another...different cover.
 * Done. Darkman 4 03:40, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Jimmy Fallon Demo
http://www.hulu.com/watch/157988/late-night-with-jimmy-fallon-video-game-week-call-of-duty-black-ops-demo#s-p1-sr-i1

Unfortunately, I can't watch it because I don't live in the US, but anyway here you go. 17:47, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Its the segment of Payback we saw at E3. Nothing new. Darkman 4 17:57, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, just found a website where I could watch it. Sorry. 21:37, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

CIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQy6XK2Ijls At 2:25 Lamia says "Woods is in the SOG, you're in the CIA". I think maybe CIA should be added as a faction. BRX 22:37, June 23, 2010 (UTC)BRX

agreed. at 3:18 he calls the grenade launcher attachment the china lake attachment, so its not the m203 --Ashwilso12 08:06, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * He also calls it alternate ammo. It is not alternate ammo nor is it a china lake. He's just an idiot who names things that are in the game for advertising purposes without actually knowing what they are. The china lake is a standalone four shot grenade launcher, not an undermounted one shot alternate ammo. Basically he's just an idiot and shouldn't be trusted. Imrlybord7 08:28, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know. Many things he said are stupid, BUT HE IS MARK LAMIA so we have to trust him. BRX 08:34, June 24, 2010 (UTC)BRX

trailer ands demos investigation
did you see the Sally? on m1911 it is impossible that is a character of zombie mode cause if you see behind the Sally it has some numbers ok tell me if you have proofs
 * er, what? Darkman 4 19:53, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * yous be trolling --Ashwilso12 16:52, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

SPAS Labeling
Various pictures have been labeled with "SPAS-12" rather than "SPAS".
 * That's because it's a SPAS-12, and nothing else. Some interview said that. Freekkiller7 13:42, June 25, 2010 (UTC)