Forum:CoD7 weapons

I think that the model 1887 akimbo should be taken of and should have tactial knife instead of having akimbo

I know this is a bit early, but I'd like to clear some things up regarding our future coverage of the CoD7 weapons.

Since this game is going to take place in Vietnam, its obvious you're going to see weapons like the AK-47, which have already appeared in the MW games. Should we make a new page for the CoD7 variants of weapons, or should we add them onto the regular page that has info for the MW2 variants of the weapons? I mean, the Double-barreled shotgun and the Ranger are both DB Shotguns, but they have separate pages. Darkman 4 07:09, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should keep them on the same page, unless they have a different name/different appearance.

Good point. Maybe if the specs are different or it has any significant changes it can have its own page. In the case of the Thumper, if it was called the M79, but acted very similarly, the page could say, "The Thumper appeared in Call of Duty Vietnam, but was named M79. Is that a better idea?


 * Lets say the Thumper appears in CoD7 and is called the "M79". Would you be okay with making a page for the CoD7 Thumper called "M79", even if they behaved almost exactly the same? Darkman 4 07:16, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Darkman, saying that the Ranger and DBS should be on the same page is like saying that every gun of the same weapon class with the same number of barrels should be on the same page. They are both shotguns and they both have two barrels. That's not very much in the way of similarity. They look and behave completely different and are clearly not based on the same real-life weapon. Anyway, weapons that are the same should stay together regardless of game, just like all of the WWII weapons. Now, to address your other point, I think they should get the same page, which is why I'm still pissed that the M21 and EBR have different pages. Imrlybord7 07:21, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * We've gone through this before. >:D Darkman 4 08:03, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, but I can't figure out why you brought that up in the first place. It's like saying that the M4 and AK-47 have different pages even though they are both single-barreled assault rifles. Of course they would have different pages; they are different guns, i.e. different guns get different pages and the same guns stay on the same page. Imrlybord7 08:24, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Imrlybord7 why are you pissed about the M21 and M14EBR having different pages? They're different guns it's like the difference between the M16A4 and the M4A1.
 * I advocate the addition of CoD7 section on weapon pages to consolidate information unless the weapon is actually different. Such as the consolidation of M79 and Thumper. However the AR15 should not be consolidated with the M16 seeing as they are not identical. &#39;&#39;Darth_Kenobi_0&#39;&#39; 23:03, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Current precedent is that if a weapon appears in more than one game, they get put on the same page. We do this for all weapons spanning all eras. If it's the same weapon but under a different name, it should go on the same page. There's not much to discuss unless we're overhauling the whole system. --Scottie theNerd 08:22, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * ^This. Imrlybord7 08:24, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's my opinion as well. I want the community to decide on this right now just in case someone asks about this later on. Darkman 4 08:44, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * As much as I encourage discussion, I don't see the necessity of this. Why decide upon something that has already been decided upon? --Scottie theNerd 11:08, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * It will need a lot of disambig pages, and if we only do this for COD7 weapons it will seem odd not doing it for all weapons. I don't think it's worth it. If there is a massive difference, then maybe. 13:25, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * But in the case of Vietnam, only the M16A1 (perhaps just referred to as the "M16") was around, as opposed to the M16A4 available in recent games. Would we have an M16A1 with its own page because it is not the same gun, or merge both versions simply under "M16"?
 * consolidate &#39;&#39;Darth_Kenobi_0&#39;&#39; 23:03, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * As for the AK-47, I personally assume that it will be at least visually similar to the Call of Duty 4 version, as that seemed like one of the earlier models. The Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 version of the AK, however, was a more modern variant with the same designation.
 * I think it would be easiest to go by current standards of action and just sort them by the fact that it's a certain gun or not, which still brings up the problem that what they'll be using in the next game is not the M16A4 that's used nowadays. 17:20, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * With the M16A1 (which everybody knows is going to be in the game), I think it would be best to have a separate page for it because of how much different it is compared to the M16A4. The M16 page would be turned into a disambig for the M16A1 and M16A4 instead of being a redirect for the M16A4. Darkman 4 20:24, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree, because the mechanisms are the same, but what about the AR15?
 * If the weapons are the same, for example, the AK-47, I think we should just add it to the already existing page and just create a new section like we always do. I agree with Darkmans idea about turning the M16 into a disambig and then haveing the two pages listed. then again, there well be a lot of thoes pages. 01:53, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

If we seperate the weapons with different names then it will end up like the mp5/mp5k 'difference', my point is that if the ak is a slightly different version in No.7 then it should be in the same page as the ak for cod4/6 rather than split up like the mp5/k Calool 16:13, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

If you look at it, notice how the MP40 is considered simular to weapons in CoD: MW2, and infact compared to some, yet it has it's own page, and isn't shared with other pages. Maybe if an AK-47 was featured, it could be merged with the AK-47 page. Smuff 18:04, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

After some thought, I think the best option to deal with the M16 question is to follow the MP5/MP5K precedent. Both the MP5 and MP5K have their own articles even though, technically, one is a variant of the other. If the M16/M16A1 and the M16A4 are considered different weapons by the game, they should have separate articles; whereas the AK47 should be kept in one article because it is (nominally, at least) the same weapon. --Scottie theNerd 02:52, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * But the MP5K is actually manufactured differently. All MP5's should either be consolidated along with the M16's or the M16's all separated, including the MW and MW2 variants.&#39;&#39;Darth_Kenobi_0&#39;&#39; 23:03, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

MP5SD is also a different variant of MP5. there are multiple variants of MP5 with the standard one having fixed stock, MP5N rectractable one, MP5SD has Fixed silencer and MP5K Is shortened .Forgot about a thing: M79=Thumper. I think they should be kept together even having different name (hence MP-44 and STG-44) Bartekko 12:01, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Forgot the MP5KSD there are so many variants separating them would detriment the Wiki.&#39;&#39;Darth_Kenobi_0&#39;&#39; 23:03, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should merge it. Example, the COD7 Thumper is called M79. Its basicly the same weapon, so we should merge it but we can say that the page title is M79\ Thumper or M79 aka Thumper. In case of the M16A1 we should seperate the page because its a different weapon, like MP5 and MP5k. Good idea? Sgt. Resnov 21:14, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what I said above. --Scottie theNerd 14:30, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

For the Thumper it is exactly the same as the M79, Thumper was it's nickname so, it would be the same page. For the M16A1 that did not have burst fire so the M16A1 would be full auto.Mikeyg36 03:41, February 10, 2010 (UTC)Mikeyg36

Maybe we could do it like on Wikipedia, where the article is called M16 and then all the Versions are listed. UTDMPewPew 22:27, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought about that. The problem is that it goes against the COD Weapons policy, in which articles must be named after the in-game name. While Wikipedia lists variants of a weapon under a single page, technically there is no weapon known as the "M16". Most readers will go straight for the M16A4 seen in MW/MW2 or the M16A1 in COD7 rather than using the generic "M16" name. Hence, it would be inappropriate to put all M16 models on one page. --Scottie theNerd 11:17, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Obviously, there will be an M16, M79 and somewhat Colt .45--Wubububu Man

they should put in a flamethrower of some kind and a kalishnikovak47annihilator

They probably will put in a flamethrower due to them using it in World at War

If there was the AK-47 in COD7, for example, the COD7 variant should be listed with the COD4:MW and COD:MW2 variant. This way, everything will be neatly organized. Plus, if a weapon such as the Thumper were in COD7 with the name of M79, the COD7 variant should be merged with the MW2 variant. Oh, and AK47annihilator, talking about what weapons should be in COD7 is irrelivant to the argument. We are talking about how the weapon pages should be organized.

But what if the M16 shows up in CoD 7? The M16 page on here is called "M16A4," which, was not there in Vietnam. Would we have one M16 page, or a separate one for the M16 and/or M16A1?WhammyKing121 20:08, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

The M16A4 page should be renamed M16 ---as the actual designation of the Modern Warfare rifle is in question--- with separate sections for the appearances in the three games. Should we group the AR15 in? I don't think so, it would be like grouping the M4 in. Thumper and M79 GL are identical. DB and Ranger are different and should be separated. There will likely be new weapons such as the Grease Gun (M3 SMG) new shotguns (possibly) as well as the original M14A1 (one may dream) and one may also dream of the inclusion of LAW and the M60A1. Let us dream for the inclusion of such great weapons &#39;&#39;Darth_Kenobi_0&#39;&#39; 23:03, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

My Good Weapon List Idea.

Primary Weapons

Rifles:

XM16E1 XM177E2 AK-47 AMD 65 Sa vz. 58 SIG 510 STG-44 L1A1 HK33 M14 M1 Garand M1A1 Carbine SKS-45 Model 1894

Bolt-Action Rifles:

Model 70 Mosin-Nagant Kar98k Lee-Enfield DeLisle

Sniper Rifles:

M40 M21 SVT-40 SVD Dragunov PTRS-41

Machine Guns:

Browning M1919 MG34 M60 FG42 Stoner M63 Bren BAR Uk vz. 59 DP-28 RPD

Sub Machine Guns:

M3A1 Grease Gun M1A1 Thompson Beretta M12 Carl Gustav M/45 MP40 HK54 Sten Mk. II Sterling PPSh-41 PPS-43 MAT-49 Uzi

Secondary Weapons

Shotguns:

Remington 870 Remington 11-48 Blunderbuss Baikal IZH-43

Machine Pistols:

MAC-10 Stechkin APS Skorpion vz. 61

Handguns:

M1911A1 Model 39 Ruger MK II Browning Hi-Power Tokarev TT-33 Makarov PM Mauser C96 Nagant M1895 Auto Mag Model 27

Launchers:

M79 Grenade Launcher M2 Flamethrower M72 LAW Carl G Gyrojet RPG-7 FIM-43 Redeye

Miscellaneous:

Crossbow

Equipment:

M26 Frag Grenade Stielhandgranate Sticky Grenade Molotov Cocktail White Phosphorus Claymore M18A1 Satchel Charges

Special Grenades:

Flashbang Tear Gas Grenade Stun Grenade Smoke Grenade

Now with Selectable Fire-Mode. "JoeRamirez"