Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2/Archive 7

US Army Rangers Confirmed for singleplayer
I stumbled across an interview with Keith david, and he confirms you play as the US Army Rangers. He says his character is tasked with training the player character, and that David's character is a Leuitenant(sp?) in the US Army Rangers. http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6216758.html is the link, a few sentences down, David say's 'Well, I haven't seen the whole game yet. But I believe it's a pretty major role. I start training the player and then we take the player into battle. So, I think it's pretty major.' A little before that, he's asked if he plays a US Commander and he confirms it. Sorry if this has been added before. Should I also add 'Unnamed Player Character' to the list of characters? I doubt a US Commander will be training Roach. I'd assume that'd be Soap's job. Bald Eagle Brennan 14:22, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nice find - a very interesting read. Don't add 'Unnamed Player Character' yet though as we barely have anything to write on him, and I think everyone expected more than one playable character anyway. Moozipan Cheese 14:53, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

AK-101 w/ shotgun?
I was just watching the leaked gameplay of the favela level, and at the 1:33 mark the player steps over a gun. It's very very blurry, but it looks like it says AK then a number then w/ shotgun. Has anyone spotted this before? i know masterkey shotgun is in the attachments list but what about the gun? here is the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwXgt1h5Fd0 Bald Eagle Brennan 13:47, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

If it is an AK it would be the AK-47 we keep seeing, not an AK-101. Most people here have been saying its the FAL... I think the shape looks similar to the AA12 but that wouldn't make sense (Yo dawg, I heard you like shotguns, so we put a shotgun on your shotgun so you can shoot while you shoot) OmgHAX! 13:58, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

At first I thought it was the 47, but the numbers looked to long .The pick up icon looks like an AK but with a wider magazine. In fact, I stand by what I said earlier. I definately think it's an AK-101. The pick up icon looks very similar to it (http://free.hit.bg/kalashnikov/ak101.jpg), aside from a different stock. I really hope it's an AK-101. Bald Eagle Brennan 14:15, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

We can hope.--Slacky!!! 16:14, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

I saw it before, I'm 100% sure it's the FAL, no question. CAW4 19:35, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

It was an FAL, but AFTER that there is a very blurry AK on the ground. Number and attachment not identifiable, but I would assume it's the same old AK-47 with an attachment we already know. Imrlybord7 01:16, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

I would agree that it is an FAL

Nevermind, I thought you were talking about the one right after you left the building. Also, to the person above me, please sign your posts with ~ CAW4 17:36, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

L85 confirmed?
The (highly probable) tag has been removed from the L85A2 in the weapon section. Has it been confirmed? If so, I'm a happy happy gamer. Bald Eagle Brennan 19:32, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/dec666/SDC10590.jpg Darkman 4 19:34, September 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * I thank you for this, now I can't wait for this game. The L85A2 is in my top 5 assault rifles(for patriotism reasons)Bald Eagle Brennan 19:37, September 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Where exactly is this scan from? Moozipan Cheese 14:59, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible the double barreled shotgun they're talking about has double triggers in-game, not on the actual controller? 03:38, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

If the left trigger fires off one of the double barrel's shots, then how do you aim with it?--Rynrthmn 18:36, September 4, 2009 (UTC)Rynrthmn

My guess is you don't. its sights are virtually nonexistant, and no one aims a shotgun anyway. OmgHAX! 23:39, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

New page
I've cleaned off almost everything on this page in anticipation for the new gameplay footage being released today. I figured that it would be a lot easier to have a discussion about the new weapons and other new stuff without having to wade through a bunch of old and possibly outdated discussions. Darkman 4 07:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot again. --Cpl. Callofduty4 07:27, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

M9 info/pics
Where has this gun been seen? 69.171.161.79 06:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

In the special ops footage. When one of the players gets down, he pulls out a M9. --Cpl. Callofduty4 07:27, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I see thanks. 69.171.161.79 07:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Uzi Side Arm?
There is information that stated that Uzis can be dual wielded, it is not stated which variant however(most likely micro Uzi or uzi pistol). However Robert Boling stated only Side arms can be dual wielded, he also stated there would be some machine pistols... so should we add an Uzi Variant to the weapons list under Side Arms? --Cpt Jack House 07:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

It was there a hour ago but I.R.B. took it off because of lack of information on it. Should leave it as is till the video. 69.171.161.79 07:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

The mini uzi is confirmed, so maybe. --Cpl. Callofduty4 07:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

If the mini uzi is a sidearm expect the MP5k to be there too :/ 69.171.161.157 07:50, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

That's what I thought, the mp5k looked like it only had a 20 round magazine. Of couse MP5 fans would want the full-size version as a main weapon if that's the case. OmgHAX! 11:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Throwing Knives?
According to an article I read on StickSkills, it indicates that you'll be able to throw knives. Thoughts? Here's the article: http://stickskills.com/news/363/new-modern-warfare-2-details/ StolenRequiem 13:59, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Already on the page, im pretty sure you only get one knife im not sure how it will work --Cpt Jack House 16:36, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like they'll be pretty useful for stealth classes WouldYouKindly 20:05, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

@Cpt Jack House: Oh damn, sorry, didn't see it was already up! StolenRequiem 20:14, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

The new vid
Ok here's what I got: SCAR bling, possibly a new skin/attachment. Brazillian militia has their own icon, a red hand print. Also AUG bling, this time with the right ticker icon. 5-killstreak predator missile. Extended mag on UMP, FMJ on Tar-21 (full metal jacket?) thrwoing knives definite, .50 cal also in (model unknown) OmgHAX! 18:24, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * You got a link to the new vid? Darkman 4 18:26, September 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * 

I figure it out; bottom-right corner with the grenade icons, throwing knife is the primary grenade. Also Host migration, and the TDI Vector at the end looked like it had dot sight and silencer. Everyone's got a personalized nametag that you see when you kill them. OmgHAX! 18:36, September 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Isn't the Kriss being held at the end of the video? Darkman 4 18:37, September 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Kriss another name for the same weapon. I think it refers to the retracting bolt specifically, but we got it listed as Vector. OmgHAX! 18:44, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Whatever, you know what I mean.


 * Also, the Kriss has two attachments on it; silencer and red dot sight. Darkman 4 18:48, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Can we assume sniper is M82? Definitly same noise, shape, same muzzle brake. Also, missed that 4-kill streak is "airdrop" OmgHAX! 18:50, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah, seems like it to me. Darkman 4 18:51, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

The RPD appears in the vid very soon after the first flag is captured. It's on the ground. Darkman 4 18:51, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

I just realized, we got full-auto battle rifles now! Where can we put game modes on the page?
 * Start a new section. Darkman 4 18:57, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

What is the kill icon shown at 1:15? Darkman 4 19:02, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Until we get proof from a vid and Infinity Ward, do not listen to some stupid game stop employee about knives and other stuffAlien Rifle 19:51, September 1, 2009 (UTC)Alien Rifle


 * Are you stupid? The Throwing Knife appears at the end of the latest video. Darkman 4 19:52, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

By the looks of the end of the video, the match won't end anymore when the host leaves, the game will just stop for a few moments as a new host is migrated (THANK GOD). WouldYouKindly 19:54, September 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * All the killstreak rewards I know:


 * 3 - UAV (confirmed in latest vid)
 * 4 - Airdrop (confirmed in latest vid)
 * 5 - Predator Missile (confirmed in latest vid)
 * ? - Airstrike (seen in latest vid)
 * 11 - AC-130 (confirmed in first multi vid)
 * 15 - ??? (mentioned in OXM)
 * Don't know if a killstreak list like this can go in the article or not. 74.215.114.200 21:54, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * It can go in. Darkman 4 21:57, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Damn, 15 unlockable killstreaks. Loving the list already, can't imagine what else IW put in the game. Chief z 22:47, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

I think bling might be an attachment, seeing as how it is listed in the weapon names (SCAR and AUG HBAR). They don't do that for camos, just attachments. Should we list it as "An unknown attachment called Bling"? Imrlybord7 23:32, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

It's probably a new camouflague of somesort. StolenRequiem 00:42, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Wouldnt Bling be Golden? they Description for Gold Camo was Bling in CoD4 --Cpt Jack House


 * 0:59 theres gun on the floor on the bottom left of the screen it looks golden --Cpt Jack House

Like the previous vid, the map is fuzzy at the end of the vid --Cpt Jack House

Also, The new melee stance is not used in this vid --Cpt Jack House
 * Perhaps it's a perk or something. Chief z 05:04, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

pp2000?
someone saw something that looked like a pp2000, i'm not sure if it can be posted. look closely at 402's back. http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2782/barrett1.png

Ferrariguy1000 05:00, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

That looks like the barett 50 cal.--Slacky!!! 07:24, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

It looks too big to be a PP2000. To me it looks more like an MP7 with a silencer. What do you guys think? Chief z 05:07, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a silenced MP5K to me, I could be way off though, the picture's pretty blurry WouldYouKindly 05:19, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

The shape is very similar --Cpt Jack House 05:24, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Its definitly some kind of uzi-type SMG with silencer. I can see how it looks like a PP2000 but because its so blurry I can't confirm it. OmgHAX! 14:00, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

I know 402 could have just picked that gun up, but I would say the perk Overkill is now probable. BTW I think it's an UZI.

After doing a little research I say its PP2000 by process of elimination. Its triangular shape rules out MP7, Uzi, and MP5K. OmgHAX! 19:41, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with OmgHax!74.137.134.152 20:46, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

I can definitely say it's not an MP5k, or any variant or the MP5. To me, the gun looks too robust, if you will, to be a PP2000, which is an awkwardly shaped gun itself. I'm not ruling the PP out, but it looks more like an MP7 or Uzi. Of course, it could just be the blur that's messing with me. Definitley not a MAC-10 or TMP. Chief z 23:31, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Chief z, thats definitley not any MP5 I've seen (although, I suppose it could be an MP5K, but it's highly unlikely.) I'm thinking either PP-2000 or MP7. Doubt it's an Uzi.

Definitely not an Uzi variant. Let me tell you guys, the distinct, jagged foregrip/handguard of the PP-2000 is a dead give away for this gun. I wouldn't doubt at all that the MP7 is going to be in MW2 (and if it isn't, I'm going to IW and do something I'll regret), but that weapon is not it. But I can tell you what just my gut reactions are: they're both going to be in the game, I just know it. I'm adding it to the list, by the way, I think we are in agreement by all this deduction. 04:18, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, I have a neat little plug-in for Firefox that zooms a picture in or out with the mousewheel. If I zoom in enough, it gets to be better quality. I just put my face to the screen, and voila, we have confirmation. --Akyoyo again. 04:30, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

custom player???
Will there be custom player models???--Slacky!!! 07:31, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

I'm hoping so, but I haven't heard anything about that yet. Chief z 08:57, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

That would be great, and we are already seeing alot of customizable stuff, like that card on the bottom. --Cpt Jack House 20:41, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

The cards were not in the first multiplayer vid. is it a prestige thing?(mode not edition)--Slacky!!! 08:43, September 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it's a new addition to the gameplay. It was a long span between the release of both videos; I'm sure it wasn't that hard to program the cards into the game. Chief z 11:42, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

AKs-74u
This is on the cover of MW:Ghost BUT is it in the game???--Slacky!!! 16:11, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Bling
Bling is a camo, finally found a pic of one of the bling weapons. Its some crazy flame pattern. OmgHAX! 17:36, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

I got that from IW forums, and I'm fingind a few other images; looks like the AA12 can use a silencer. Sounds a lot like no country for old men lawl. Hopefully though the AA12, already being an auto-shotty, will be slightly underpowered to compensate. OmgHAX! 17:50, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Lastly UAV jammer's definitly in, watch the radar at the end of the video. It goes all fuzzy near 402 OmgHAX! 17:58, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Where the hell did you get that the AA-12 can use a silencer? The pick-ups now say the attachment, so that AA-12 had no attachment. Imrlybord7 03:40, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Shotguns can actually use silencers (believe it or not), it's just it's not shown alot in movies and games. Proof: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071124165647AAJ8GV3

However, I don't think the AA-12 can have a silencer. It would look cool though. You may be seeing a compensator. Ferrariguy1000 03:43, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

I think that is the AA12 on his back. And, really, a silencer for a shotgun? Why don't you just throw BB's at them with your bare hands? You have to understand how firearms and suppressors work to know that that would just be a ridiculous waste of memory. 03:51, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

According to my proof, The shotcap (some sort of thing that contains the shot and is shot out of the barrel intact until it gets out) has to make it out of the silencer. I'm pretty sure it can fail at times. edit: shotcap is here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Shotgun-shot-sequence-1g.jpg/800px-Shotgun-shot-sequence-1g.jpgFerrariguy1000 03:55, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Even so, I doubt IW would take the time to add shotgun silencers for two reasons: 1. It'd be extremely overpowered. 2. Shotgun suppressors, according to that yahoo answers topic, only reduce the sound by about 6 DB, which isn't very much. WouldYouKindly 04:06, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Guys, I'm not debating physics here. I'm just saying that we have no evidence to support that the AA-12 will be able to accept a suppressor in MW2. Imrlybord7 04:30, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Like ferrariguy said, it could be a compensator. If it is, it might be a replacement for Steady Aim. Or it could be that if you choose Steady Aim for a perk, it adds a compensator to your guns, regardless of what weapons they are. Chief z 04:43, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

What about the XM8?
The XM8 is not confirmed yet. and the G36K hasn't been confirmed.

I can pretty much guarantee that the XM8 won't be in the game. I would expect to see some kind of G36, but we haven't seen one yet. Imrlybord7 01:21, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

New HUD
I must say, I love the new HUD. Very nice design. Cpl. Wilding 20:22, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Its very smooth, good looking, and out of the way. --Cpt Jack House 20:36, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention the ammo indicators are bigger! I can finally see how much ammo i have on my crappy SDTV! WouldYouKindly 20:38, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Videos
Does anybody else think that the two short gameplay trailers released before the reveal trailer should be removed, seeing as they only contain snippets of video from the longer trailer? I don't really care if this gets done or not, I'm just suggesting it because it would make the page a little less cluttered.

Weapons
Look at the gun on the back of the guy carrying the riot shield in the new video. What is that gun? -GentlemanBilly-

It's the AK-101, look very close on his back, you will know because of the magazine shape and the upper receiver, very distinctive shape

actually if you payed any attention in the video you would see that when the riot shield guy "passed on" in polite terms.....it was an aa12 auto shotty.... no ak101 is going to be in the game as far as we know..



can we just get rid of the m249 saw all ready?
we all know that the lmg featured in the gameplay trailer was indeed the m240 i have no doubt in my mind. unless new footage comes up confirming it, i believe we should just remove it!

Because in the first trailer one of the Ultranationalists at the airport is holding a gun that some people (myself included) believe looks more like a SAW than an M240. Imrlybord7 04:31, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

yes but notice how the front sight is closer to the tip of the gun, while a saw has the sight more back.

You know what? I'm just going to remove it. I've been debating it for a while, anyway. Imrlybord7 04:48, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Ahh no!! Its back up there now!!

Leave it. Most of us think its a M249. Anyway, it was such an amazing gun in CoD4 that it is highly probable it will be coming back.


 * Amazing? Eww, the M249 SAW was a weaksauce gun in my opinion. Unless you're talking about the wall-mounted ones. Moozipan Cheese 17:02, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

yes well if anyone would take the time to pull up pictures of an m249 saw and an m240 and then a pic of the ultranationalist in the trailer, you would see many more resemblances to the m240. Plus we already saw the m240 in game footage!! The 2 guns' front sights are different for example. Pull up pictures and then tell what you think the gun is. Im holding my ground at the fact that it is an m240. COuld i be wrong, yes. Is it most probable that im wrong? not really..

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2FNminimi.png  =gun of debate http://tgscom.com/images/sharedimages/GunSourceFrontPage/Images/M240/M240-1.jpg       =m240 http://www.imfdb.org/images/2/2a/Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg       =m249 saw

notice the similarities the gun of debate has with the m240 regarding the front sights

and the gap between the magazine and trigger. Can't see it that well in that particular instance, but you can see it in the trailer. OmgHAX! 18:38, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Yes! you are absolutly right omgHax! I saw the still from the trailer when the guy with the striker is firing, if you zoom in on the guy with the lmg, you can clearly see a gap between the magazine and the trigger guard. An m240 has this trait, while an m249 saw has the magazine and trigger guard basically right next to each other. CASE CLOSED I BELIEVE!!!!!! --Rynrthmn 19:34, September 3, 2009 (UTC)Rynrthmn

So lets just remove it ^^^^^ !!--Rynrthmn 23:44, September 3, 2009 (UTC)rynrthmn

It's better to have fewer confirmed guns than a ton of unconfirmed guns, plus we have evidence that it was an M240, not an M249. It's being removed. AS THE KEEPER OF THE WEAPON LIST, I DECREE THIS! Imrlybord7 00:34, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Remington 870 should change to Winchester 1200...
you can even see the same green stock like in the first game if you look close enough. Also the pump doesent have the shape of a 870's pump.

I've seen other sources saying it was a W1200. I think they should really get rid of the W1200 and replace it with the 870, but since apparently I was wrong, I'll change it. Imrlybord7 06:13, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

I would also rather it be a remington 870, seeing as it is one of my fav shottys!! but until we see more evidence siding with the 870, id say its the 1200 still =/

why would there be a 1200? Its a heavily outdated gun. It's the 870.

well you say " its the 870" like your 100 percent sure. Call of duty 4 featured the 1200, and its likely that they are bringing many of their guns back. So before we come to conclusions, I believe we should keep it the 1200. I mean where did 870 even come from anyway? For all we know, if its not the 1200, it could be any pump action shotgun, not just the 870 which everyone including me would like to see though. Im just being factual.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2shotgun.png    =gun of debate http://www.innovativetactical.com/catalog/images/remington/7r96e5m10.jpg       =rem870 http://www.cod4videotips.com/images/w1200.png        =win1200 from cod4

now you cant say that the gun of debate looks more like the 870 than the 1200. It looks almost identicle to the 1200 from cod4. The olive green stock, the front sights, even the pump!

I still think its the 870. Hehe.

Or maybe its the mossburg, the shotgun the 1200 defender is supposed to imitate XD OmgHAX! 20:09, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, all R870's used in the US military don't have pistol grips, rather intergrated stocks. The front iron sight on this one looks too big as well to be an 870. Yes, these are Russians in the picture, but we don't know how far IW went for accuracy (they did misname the AKs-74u and gave the Marines the wrong shotgun). Looks like the Winchester to me. Chief z 22:17, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

R870 is customizable, the solid stock can be swapped out for a pistol grip. Also its popular with military/law enforcement worldwide. OmgHAX! 22:36, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Well yeah, but every gun can be customized. I just mean that R870s come with intergrated stocks as standard issue. I don't know much about the modification policy of the military (unless you're special ops, then you get anything you want), so I can't really comment on that. Anywho, I think we've all agreed it's a Winchester. Chief z 11:51, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

As of this moment in time we have no further evidence to conclude anything else but the Winchester as the shotgun. Maybe further in time and closer to the release date we will see more of it in order to truly determine the brand and model. But as of now, I agree to the Win1200. --Rynrthmn 18:31, September 4, 2009 (UTC)Rynrthmn

riot shield
The riot shield is seen being used with an mp5k. The MP5K could be considered a "sidearm". So that means that it is possible that you can only use side arms with the riot shield, whatever "sidearms" could actually mean.

Also if you look at the picture following the link above of the riot shield user with the 870/W1200 wielder next to him you can see that the knee of the man holding the riot shield is going through the shield! Hopfully a soon to be fixed glitch.99.144.250.26 21:31, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Human players will not be able to use guns with the shield. Also, based on the new MP video, the MP5k definitely seems like a primary weapon. Imrlybord7 00:31, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

The Riot shield will most likely take up the Perk 1 slot, because that's where all the "inventory item perks" are such as C4 or Claymores, to add to that I'm 99% sure you can use a Primary weapon while you have a riot shield, but not at the same time (judging from the video you can only melee, or at best a pistol type weapon while the using a shield), and you DONT have to have a riot shield equipped ALL the time. for example, if you usethe perk 1 slot to get a flamethrower or a RPG, you don't have to use it EVERYWHERE, do you? 82.36.56.40 00:58, September 4, 2009 (UTC)Nikolai


 * I just meant that you can't equip a weapon at the same time as the shield. You switch to the shield as you would RPGs, claymores, and C4. But yes, you still have guns in your class, obviously. Imrlybord7 01:37, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

I can't wait to use that in multiplayer. Could really help in hairy situations. It's confirmed in the new multiplayer vid that it will be available in multiplayer, if you missed it. 01:15, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, according to one of the previews (IGN I believe) the riot shield counts as an inventory item where you press a button on the d-pad to put away your gun and raise the shield, and press it again to switch back to your gun. So my guess is yes, it'll be a tier 1 perk. WouldYouKindly 04:22, September 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly. Imrlybord7 05:13, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Magnum Revolver?
Could there possibly be a magnum in mw2? --Rynrthmn 18:43, September 4, 2009 (UTC)rynrthmn

It's a Colt Anaconda. --JoeRamirez

should it be added to the list? --Rynrthmn 19:18, September 4, 2009 (UTC)Rynrthmn

The Magnum was a piss-poor weapon in CoD:W@W, so I doubt it will be that specific model. I do think that a revolver will be present, though.

If we included weapons portrayed in the nametags, would you assume that we could use revolvers that fire shotgun shells? lawl. We already got the deagle, the magnum was just the WAW equivalent. So unless it was somehow different, I doubt its in. OmgHAX! 19:34, September 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's a Mauler! Ha, just kidding, but could you imagine? Chief z 10:17, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Is that what those are? Couldn't figure out the point of those things. And I'm sure a revolver or two, among the veritable cache of weapons in MW2, will be present, as well. By the way, I don't see any vents on the top of the barrel, I'd say it's one of the Smith & Wesson higher-power revolvers, an L or N frame at the least. *Lightbulb in head comes on* Could the...no, it couldn't that's crazy...could we use the S&W M500 in this game?! 22:09, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

I'm just saying, companies do make revolvers that fire shotgun shells, mainly .410, ex. Taurus Judge. But I agree we shouldn't add guns featured in the nametags.

So about that OXM British Magazine...
Just how reliable of a source is this? I mean they basically told us of the L85 and a double barreled shotgun.....but can it be trustworthy? What do they mean by "each individual barrel can be fired with the left and right triggers"? How could you possibly aim the gun then? And why would IW put a double barreled shotgun in the game anyway? Doesent really go with the whole modern tone......but then again neither is the Win1887 (which I cant picture being used online at all) or the stg44 from cod4.. --Rynrthmn 20:37, September 4, 2009 (UTC)Rynrthmn

How do you aim? With the right stick (or mouse for PC). It will just be like dual wielding in Halo, and the 1887 is the 'throwback' weapon, and a double barreled shotgun fits it perfectly, many civilians own them, and if you didn't notice, we'll be fighting in civilian areas. CAW4 21:12, September 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe that, by aiming, he means aiming down the sights with the left trigger. Not that that's particularly useful with a shotgun, but anyway. Moozipan Cheese 21:20, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

It actually hurts the shotgun. Spread goes from 4 to 5.5 in CoD4 and WaW. And OXM is definitely reliable. Imrlybord7 22:22, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

We're speculating the double-barrel might be a sidearm. Otherwise it would easily be outperformed by all the auto-shottys in this game. OmgHAX! 22:55, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Well mabey you don't aim with it, mabey it's a shotgun that like you get at a very low level, or just a another crappy weapon, some guns are just crappy. --B00mD0m3Sh07 23:14, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Just because something isnt American doesnt mean its unreliable. I think the double-barrel will be sawn-off and usable as a sidearm which is unlocked at a very high level. Also, when aiming down the sights, it becomes more accurate because the spread is tighter. Therefore you wont be hitting some targets that are not lined up with the sight. So it seems less accurate.

I agree with your first sentence, though your second sentence is completely incorrect. The files for the game on the PC (for CoD4) list the W1200 as having a spread of 4 when aiming from the hip, while the spread is 5.5 when aiming down the sights. The M1014 is almost the same except the spread from the hip is 5. CAW4 11:50, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Is that true? I have CoD4 for Mac, but I can't open the game files =/. Oh ok thanks CAW.

Remove Vauge Attachments
The "Sniper Scope" and "AUG Scope" should both be removed as they (more than likely) do not refer to any item that will be in the game. A sniper scope could refer to either scopes on sniper rifles (which are built in), and the AUG refers to a specific gun's real-life standard equipment (which probably will not be built into the standard model available in multiplayer). The14th 01:11, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it would make sense for the Mk. 14 EBR to have a possible sniper scope attachment. And the AUG probably won't have it's scope built in. Imrlybord7 03:49, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

But all "sniper" weapons already have scopes included in their basic model. And as for the AUG, I already said the one in-game will not have a scope already attached. The14th 04:00, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

How the hell do you know that sniper scopes will come attached to all of the sniper rifles? Do you have the game already? Also, there was an AUG HBAR w/ Scope in one of the pick up icons, which I take to mean that you can unlock the standard AUG scope as an attachment. Imrlybord7 16:00, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

They would not put in the "AUG" scope because there no longer is a standard one for the real-life AUG. The scope attached to it is most-likely the ACOG. And all "sniper" class weapons in CoD 4 had a scope as standard equipmend, with the ACOG as an upgrade. Why would they change it so you have to no-scope a sniper rifle for 25 or so kills just to earn a scope? The14th 19:52, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

If it was an ACOG, it would say "AUG HBAR w/ ACOG Scope" rather than "AUG HBAR w/ Scope" You can tell this because during the E3 single player demo, you can see a couple pick-up icons that say "AK-47 w/ ACOG scope" etc. Plus, the telescopic sight that comes standard with the AUG is one of the most well-known properties of the gun. IW would be crazy not to include it. As for the sniper scopes, I'm reserving judgment on those, It's possible that IW MAY allow an option to remove the scope from the sniper rifle and use it as a regular rifle, but this is just a guess. WouldYouKindly 19:57, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

If that were the case, then the scope would most likely be standard kit and therefore not an attachment. And if it wasn't, why would they bother to create a unique scope for the AUG when they could just use the ones they have already made (it seems like it would be a waste of time). Either way, I still think we can exclude the AUG scope as a possible attachment for MF2. As for removing the scopes to sniper weapons, why would they bother? If the selection of weapons is anything like CoD4, there will be at least one battle rifle (4 had the M14) that fills in much better as a single shot weapon than a scope-less sniper rifle. The14th 20:26, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

For a company like IW, adding the AUG's standard scope as an attachment wouldn't take more than an hour. All you have to do is model it, determine stats for it, and then program it as an option from the menu. Also, I was thinking mostly about the Mk. 14 EBR, which is used with sniper scopes, ACOGs, and reflex scopes (RDS, EOTech). I would think the sniper scope would be an attachment for it. Imrlybord7 21:07, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

From a game design standpoint, making unique attachments to do the exact same thing as existing ones makes very little sense. Also I don't think you understand how game programming works, the model alone would take much longer than an hour. And again, weapons placed in the "sniper" designator all started with a telescopic scope, why would they change that? I'm removing both the sniper and AUG scopes from the article. The14th 00:18, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

They would change it because there is a gun in the game that is commonly used with both sniper scopes and totally different optics. Also, the AUG scope is such a simple model. It's pretty much a totally straight tube. I'm putting them back on, and we can argue all day over this, but seeing as how I am a major contributor and the biggest contributor to the weapon list, I think my opinion will carry more weight. Imrlybord7 04:44, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

You are basing that on the real-world versions of these guns, I'm basing my statements from a game design standpoint. Unless they are abandoning the weapon category system I see no reason why one or two weapons would get unique attachment progression. Why designate a weapon in the sniper category and then not give it a scope? Why make a unique scope attachment for one gun when the game already has attachments for that weapon category that fit the bill? Sure they could make these changes, but they involve going out of their way to be inefficient. The14th 06:53, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

The Mk. 14 EBR may not be in the sniper category. It may be in the assault rifle category, or better yet, a new battle rifle category. And as counter-proof to your train of thought, the MP5 did not have a suppressor attachment in CoD4, it was actually the MP5SD, which has a built in suppressor. Why go to the trouble of modeling the front of the gun instead of just putting a black tube over the barrel? Because it's Infinity Ward, a major company with a huge budget and a big design team working on a game that will make more money than you can imagine. Imrlybord7 07:07, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Imrlybord is right, there's no way that they wouldn't have the AUG scope, every movie/game/picture/video/airsoft company that has this weapon and only an incredibly lazy and incompetent designer wouldn't put it in, plus there's a picture of the AUG with the scope in game. As for the sniper scope, Treyarch did it, why can't Infinity Ward? A lot of people liked the scope less bolt actions in W@W, why would IW take out something a lot of people liked? CAW4 12:42, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, CAW, I didn't even remember that picture. Although I don't know about have scopeless bolt actions or M82s, but I definitely think the "light" snipers that are also used without sniper scopes IRL military will have separate sniper scope attachments. Imrlybord7 18:15, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

That scope in the picture would more indicate that the AUG will have a minor scope instead of iron sights. That would take it out of attachments. And what do you mean the MP5 didn't have a suppressor attachment? Unless I was dreaming every time I used a silenced MP5 in multiplayer I'm pretty sure you are wrong. Besides, the unique single-player weapons may be toast in MW2, since they are talking about enemies using random attachments which may exclude custom weapons (like the MP5SD). And as for Treyarch making the sniper scope attachment, it's a different era with different weapons from a different Dev Team. The14th 21:16, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Are you retarded? The AUG has normal iron sights, and if seeing 'AUG Scope' as one of the weapon pickups doesn't show that there's a 99.99999% chance of it being an attachment, I don't know what does. Does that mean we can't link the attachment on the 'AK-47 ACOG' to CoD4's, just in case they change ACOG to 'a cuddly orange gremlin? And you really need to learn reading compremension, as well as learn about weapons before you start arguing with people about them. Imrlybord was right, the suppressor attachment was [i]not[/i] technically an attachment, they took the time to program in the MP5SD3, a different weapon from the MP5A3 they modeled for the MP5 with any other attachment. It was meant as an example to show that IW doesn't just slap on standard attachments to every weapon. CAW4 21:42, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

14th, you are an idiot. This was in CoD4. http://www.apogaum.co.uk/Apogaum_Images/mp5%20sd%20rs.jpg This was not. http://onpointsupply.com/images/products1/pi_71659.jpeg The first picture is an MP5SD, which is NOT a typical MP5. It has a suppressor built in. That was in CoD4. The second picture is an MP5 with an attached suppressor. That was not in CoD4. Also, maybe your idiocy prevented you from reading this correctly, but THE MK. 14 EBR IS USED WITH A SNIPER SCOPE JUST AS OFTEN AS IT IS USED WITH MORE TYPICAL OPTICS!!!!! Also, the AUG has backup iron sights. Do you really think that IW would make a scope that does nothing instead of iron sights? Or, if the scope does something (which it obviously will, dumbass), do you really think IW would give people a free second attachment in MP? Imrlybord7 22:15, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

It really doesn't matter if the supressor is technically not an attachment, all that matters is how it is classified in the game. CoD4 used it as an attachment, so end of discussion for that. The MK 14 EBR can function with or without a telescopic sight, just like its ancestor the M14. So it stands to reason that it could be treated just like the M14 in CoD4 and be placed in the assault rifle category and need to earn its scope. So your arguement requires you to move it into the assault rifle category in the article. And back to the AUG, why couldn't it simply not use iron sights? It would be a new move in IW's weapon design, but it wouldn't be that hard to balance out. And such a path would have the advantage of still fitting in with their category-based attachment progression. You could easily replace the scope with a dot sight or an ACOG scope. Or if we're talking about starting without the AUG's scope, then why not just ditch it right out and just deploy the iron sights? Why squeeze in (or replace something with) a low-tech telescopic scope when there are already better alternatives? You both really need to quit looking at this from a "realistic" stand-point and remember this is a game, it is only as realistic as IW wants it to be. The14th 23:03, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

God Damn
What happened to the link to the policies on the home page? Just went through the MW2 character pages and edited all kinds of crap. Somebody thinks Major Petrov is related to another Petrov in CoD2 and thinks Royce is Roycewicz, not mention the other crap there. Chief z 03:07, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want, I can protect MW2 character pages to lessen the chance of crap like that happening. Darkman 4 05:53, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * That would be good. Can you believe somebody thought Meat was American-Portugese just because he could speak Portugese? But yeah, page protection is a good idea. Thanks Dark. Chief z 09:55, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * We should just have a rule to stop speculation. Unless there already is - I undid some speculation on the Sanderson article a while ago but someone reverted it back, so I got a little confused. Should probably read these policies, actually... Moozipan Cheese 10:12, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Please SEMI-protect them. I'm tired of seeing speculation.

m416?
is this an m416? Looks like one more than it does m4..--Rynrthmn 22:40, September 5, 2009 (UTC)rynrthmn

No, it's an M4. Imrlybord7 22:57, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

you sure? --Rynrthmn 23:11, September 5, 2009 (UTC)rynrthmn

Yes, and again, yes. Sorry if I'm being a bit abrupt, but I've seen so many people argue that it was a 416 and lose that I just don't have any more patience for the matter. It's not your fault, it's just that it has become bitterly annoying. Imrlybord7 23:28, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

New Page
Just to let you know i've added Heckler & Koch UMP as a new page, if you are going to delete the page, that's fine but when the game is released, you're going to have to put it back diffrently. DevilWarrior112, 08:49, September 6, 2009

It probably will be deleted.

Keep in mind that if we start making weapon pages now, we have to make them all now, and we don't know any stats except for some magazine sizes and some compatible attachments. Imrlybord7 18:14, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Reworking the GFAQs sticky.
Yo Its Oni I'm reworking the sticky and was wondering if any one had a decent picture of the M9 and Mini Uzi any help would be appreciated.

Also on a side note I'm not sure if anyone noticed this but:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c258/Xioap/MW2/Weapons/USP45.jpg http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c258/Xioap/MW2/Weapons/USP452.jpg

Is it just me or are the LAM's completely different? Seems they took away the SOCOM LAM and gave it a USP compatible one. Not much but just wondering. 69.171.161.59 21:39, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

The Mini-Uzi is shown as a pick-up icon during the leaked singleplayer footage, and the M9 is shown used in Last Stand during the leaked Spec Ops footage. Very low quality. The best you will get is taking a screenshot on your PC during the videos. Imrlybord7 22:05, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

I really don't want to use any lower quality pics than some of the ones I've used so I'll just mention them :/  69.171.161.59 22:18, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

I think I found an error in the page. It says Rojas is the man in the trailer but that man is seen captive in that mission and you go on to look for Rojas. Just a heads up. 69.171.161.59 22:51, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

That's Rojas' associate. Someone said his name wasw Faust, but I don't know where he got that name. 149.125.206.124 23:46, September 6, 2009 (UTC)