Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

Voice Actors
I noticed something about the voice actors section. It just seems to be a list of people who are doing yet-to-be specified roles in MW2. Is it really necessary? I would suggest that we archive that (for safekeeping), and then, when specific voices have been confirmed, add the actors' names to their respective character bios. That, or just scrap the entire section entirely, because it's more trivia than anything else. Just a thought. Legoland12342 17:38, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Task Force 141 (continued)
Previous entries from section:

''In the video in the above section, 402 says that the Task Force's number changes depending on who is leading the team. Can we assume that SAS leads TF 141? I'm not sure if this has been properly addressed, but it seems like a big thing to have overlooked. Sorry if I'm not being specific enough, I just ate and it's getting late. Chief z 11:33, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

''Since when does TF 141 have "British Navy Special Boat Service, United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group, Spetznaz and other European special forces" in it. Someone should change that on the TF 141 page. (unknown poster)''

Continued section:

Not trying to sound negative or anything, but I am curious as to the source of the SEAL/DEVGRU operator on the page, and the fact that the intro to said article even gives the fact that DEVGRU are part of the task force. This is because I have not seen any official proof of any SEALs or DEVGRU operators anywhere. The only thing closest is the fact that one of the levels is named after a motto for the SEAL training. (Look here for more info on the level name.) Attack Rhino 11:12, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that takedown was the first level, not cliffhanger. I think I heard Robert Bowling say this.

Well it is interesting to note that the Easy Day was Yesterday is the level before the Gulag. So maybe TF 141 gets help from the SEALS, IDK but yeah it's worth looking into. It should be easier to know the level order now that we have the achievement list. Also please remember to sign your posts! PhantBat 11:26, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

There is DEFINITLY divers of some kind in this game, either SEALs or SBS. The reveal trailer had soldiers in scuba suits, and there was another picture of a soldier in a wetsuit on Modernwarfare247. OmgHAX! 14:43, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Not really to counter-point you, but the SAS and Delta are/can be both trained for underwater missions, that is not to say that it would make much more sense to have the SEALs/DEVGRU and or the SBS doing those missions. Attack Rhino 22:30, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

the underwater mission is a spec ops mission i think and the divers are seals (im pretty sure i remember hearing this but i dont remember where)

the TF 141 page is fucked up someone should fix it up and get rid of all the stupid bullshit thats on it.

Level Order
Since we have the achievement list, I think we can see which levels are related to one another. I think the order is like this (correct me if I'm wrong:
 * S.S.D.D (first mission possibly training mission because there is another time achievement like COD4, plus it's an abbreviation like FNG)
 * Team Player
 * Cliffhanger
 * Takedown
 * The Hornet's Nest
 * The Only Easy Day... Was Yesterday
 * The Gulag
 * Contingency
 * Of Their Own Accord
 * Second Sun
 * Whiskey Hotel
 * Loose Ends
 * The Enemy of My Enemy
 * Just Like Old Times
 * Endgame

Call of Duty 4 had about 21 Single Player levels, I am missing a few in order. What do you guys think? PhantBat 11:40, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Endgame-Game Over Anyone else catch that? MrJoe95 17:35, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Just like old times - possible Flashback to CoD4 - Anyone else catch that? 18:21, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I caught that. Did make me think of a flashback, or maybe that is when you play a level with Price or someone else from the old times, dunno. Also, I completely agree with you Mr. Joe, it seems like it will me something like that, just hopefully not with everyone dying again. Attack Rhino 22:33, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * If you ask me, Just Like Old Times seems like you're gonna be doing something similar from CoD4 (another jeep escape?) Chief z 07:24, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I doubt it's a flashback mission, maybe it's one where Soap and Price team up aganist Makarov. PhantBat 12:51, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

S.S.D.D. is from Stephen King's book Dreamcatcher. it means "same shit different day" (find it on wikipedia). that might be where its from. and "of their own accord" is the us army rangers motto.

just like old times seems too close to the end of the campaign to be a flashback mission

I instantly caught the SSDD - FNG thing. It definitely seems like they're reusing ideas from the first game. And second sun - Tatooine? (XD) And I noticed you didn't include International Space Station on the list. It was leaked somewhere, but I can't remember where... MrJoe95 03:43, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I did not ad it because we do not know where it fits in, timeline wise same with "desert". PhantBat 12:51, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * The only thing missing is some blue milk, hehe. Chief z 07:24, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

If this level order is correct, it looks like Act 1 ends with "The Gulag" and Act 2 ends with "Whiskey Hotel." Chief z 22:15, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Well the list is incomplete, since, we don't know about the other Afghan levels. PhantBat 14:11, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Length of Conflict in Modern Warfare 2?
I know that in COD4 the game took place over the period of 6 days, but will it be the same with Modern Warfare 2? PhantBat 13:22, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I do not think so, look how many different places they have to go to: Washington DC, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan(?), the Siberian Gulags, Rio, etc, etc. I do not think they could do that if that time, unless the devs had you controlling three plus people. Attack Rhino 22:38, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * The developers already confirmed you're going to play as people other than Roach on GTtv. Although they didn't say exactly how many characters that are playable, there's more than one, for certain. StrikeEnd

Single player campaign is 18 missions long and about 6 hours, not sure how long in terms of days.

Offical PC date
Robert Bowling (Fourzerotwo) Has just tweeted that not only will Modern Warfare 2 not be delayed for the PC, the PC will also be getting prestige mode and loads of steam support! Yes! MrJoe95 17:34, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

But there will be no dedicated servers and maybe even no mods or custom maps, meaning that it will be exactly the same as the console version just with mouse and keyboard. Really sucks for the PC players. Imrlybord7 21:52, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Bastards!!! Nah, just kidding. : ) Seriousy though, it is annoying that they will make no mods or anything for us, at least there will be such a huge community around this, that there will be (hopefully) really good third-party mods up in no time. Attack Rhino 22:42, October 17, 2009 (UTC) P.S. How do you do a smiley? Thanks.

I hope it wont be like Xbox where you have to pay for everything. 23:09, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * For what I know, that generally does not happen for the PC ports of the game, just for the consoles. Attack Rhino 00:06, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, PC players will now have to pay for maps like everyone else.

PC players usualy don't have pay for map packs, so even if they take away the mods PC players will probably still get the map packs for free. 15:52, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Taking away half the computer appeal with no mods... Maybe they're doing that on Purpose? MrJoe95 01:03, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

The reason why the 1.6 patch/variety map pack was for free on the PC was because Nvidia sponsored it. If you ask me, they would be foolish not to sponsor map packs coming out for MW2 simply based on the number of pre-orders alone. 18:24, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

It dont matter if we pc players have to pay for maps cause its quite obvious that people will crack the maps and put them on the internet for free it happens with everything including games and that is why pc is superior compared to the 360 and ps3 ?WhIpSnAp? 21:13, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Also, there is going to be some news about the number of pre-orders cancelled for the PC due to the lack of dedicated servers. Maybe MW2 will make history as the highest pre-order cancellation as well as the highest pre-order profit.


 * Yeah than they get all those cancellations back when they buy the game at release date. IW shouldnt give in to this, its like terrorists, you dont give in to them. It would set a bad example. And first off you cant crack maps and put them in it lol, punkbuster doesnt just stop the cheaters it stopped the illegal downloaders too. Which includes maps

The PC community isn't taking this to well check out this video I found (Warning contains strong lanuage!)  1:26, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

thumb|250px|left|PC users reaction

So Cod1, you wasted my time with someone who thinks they can take down one of the biggest game names ever by a PETITION? Slowrider7

I'm sorry if it "wasted your time" this is just an example of how most of the PC community is feeling right now. 2:20, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

I can't believe they have left dedicated servers out for PC gamers is so unfair for us PC people, (SLAUGHTERER 10:20, October 22, 2009 (UTC)).

///Joking.jpg Slowrider7

I can't believe how irrational some PC gamers are being. I mean, yeah, it sucks that you have no custom maps or mods now, but surely being able to play with someone of equal skill is good, no? As well as playing on maps with the intended player size and normal game modes. And why are they being so childish about it? Vandalising Wikipedia's Infinity Ward page and making a petition. I'm not saying it wasn't silly that IW have implemented this (I think they could have both), but quit with the holier-than-thou attitude over console gamers. A matchmaking system isn't the end of the world and multiplayer should still be enjoyable. Moozipan Cheese 10:43, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

this is out of control... i think the major thing is that, they cant control their gaming enviornment anymore, but the thrashing of IW just because of dedicated servers is sad. They're acting like they took guns out of the game, and they need to relax. I love mods as much as the next guy, but they need to chill. Attacking consoles way of play wont effect the game. Oh, and this guy is a douche. --Cpt Jack House 23:47, October 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Have you seen the comments on fourzerotwo's blog? Scroll down past some that have already been deleted and they're literally attacking him because of it. I mean, how disrespectful can they get? Swearing at a company's creative strategist will definitely make them come across as mature(!) Moozipan Cheese 00:02, October 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * yeah ive seen them, out of control. --Cpt Jack House 19:13, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

"Smoke grenades that fart. That's fucking great shit!" I have to agree with that. I want to see that now.

Even though none of what he went over in that video will affect me, I have to agree in distaste about the decisions. Customization keeps a game played years after it's released. Why do you think Call of Duty 4 and Call of Duty: World at War completely decimated previous console installments when it comes to popularity with online play? One, you have ranks, and two, customization with weapons. Console games, now just imagine if you can make your own weapon from scratch. Doesn't that sound awesome? That is why people are enraged about this. 00:20, October 23, 2009 (UTC) (Edit conflict)


 * The thing is, nobody really made weapons for CoD4 on PC. It was all just maps and mods, and there weren't that many good maps and a lot of the mods were kind of stupid. Promod is a great example. It totally unbalances the game in order to make it more "fair," where "fair" is defined as making everyone use the AK-74u because it destroys everything else at all ranges (talking about in the mod, not the real game). Imrlybord7 19:32, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

I would have to admit that the no dedicated servers does suck yes i wish they would still have them but i am guessing they might change it later on after its release but i would have to admit going onto random servers and doing random gameplay like team deathmatch,capture the flag,domination,search and destroy could be really fun and you might get some really good sneakying skills for search and destroy or capture the flag etc. My point been is that i think i might enjoy no dedicated servers but hey at least it still has multiplayer mode on it.But i have one question. With no dedicated servers and we have to use IW net do we have to pay any monthly fee's to play online like the console versions do? (SLAUGHTERER 10:01, October 25, 2009 (UTC)).

A new multiplayer map dubber by Modern247 as "rust"
Not fully confirmed.

http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/new-surprize-attack-mw2-video

what do you think? Ferrariguy1000 21:02, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I'd say real. Imrlybord7 21:51, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

The screens look the like part of the AC-130 video J-money 18:24, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

That's what the article says. Ferrariguy1000 22:51, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone tell what guns are in there? Any new ones? Imrlybord7 00:58, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, it looks like weapons that were already confirmed. Here's what I got:
 * UMP
 * AT4
 * RPG
 * L86
 * 44 Mag
 * SPAS-12

But on picture 11, the guy on the bottom right seems to be holding the standard MP5. Thoughts? Chief z 07:16, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nah, I'm pretty sure that's a UMP. Imrlybord7 18:05, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right. I found a bigger version of the video and at that part the gun's mag is straight. Chief z 10:04, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, looks like they only used all the default classes. OmgHAX! 16:01, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

EOTech in Multiplayer? (speculation)
http://www.modernwarfare247.com/images/articles/surprize-attack-rust-preview/06.jpg

This pic looks like a EOTech. It is taken off the new suspected multiplayer map "rust". Ferrariguy1000 21:04, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

EOTech was confirmed for MP a long time ago. Imrlybord7 21:51, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * That, I didn't know. It's not that I don't trust you, but I'm curious: where did you hear this? Ferrariguy1000 22:07, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Towards the beginning of MW2's publicity, 402 talked about customizing your guns more and specifically mentioned the EOTech. Also, that Eismile (or whatever his name is) guy recently said that everything from SP will be in MP. Imrlybord7 22:34, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nice! Thanks for the info. :) Ferrariguy1000 19:28, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

its called the holographic on weapon pickups. OmgHAX! 00:17, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Prisoner *627 is Captain Price?
In the Infamy trailer look at the part when the guy in chains is strangling the ultranationalist, his nose and his moustache are unmistakable.

Also, look at the parts when he (Captain Price) is jumping off of the dam wall, looks pretty much the same, also when you're in the speedboat, his bald patch is visible beneath his hat. User:Outlaw 2-5


 * The speedboat mission might be "The Only Easy Day...Was Yesterday", since it is before The Gulag, of course that's if you believe Soap rescues Price. PhantBat 12:53, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

the guy jumping off the dam/bridge is soap (theres an achievement soap on a roap) not price

Soap on a rope refers to all the TF141 guys getting airlifted out of the Gulag, its from the reveal trailer. OmgHAX! 15:43, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Surprize Attack Rust Gameplay video
Here it is. Nothing new confirmed, but at least it is new footage. Unfortunately, it looks like player models will still do that idiotic looking around thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_EvrZlX3I0 Imrlybord7 19:44, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Shepherd/Roach (continued)
Previous entries from section

''if shepherd is an army ranger hes not gonna train roach because roach is british. someone should fix that on shepherds page. the achievment "become part of shepherds elite unit" will mean that you fight as an army ranger and IW wouldnt make you fight as two americans. so roach is british and u also play as an army ranger. therefore shepherd does not train roach but trains the army ranger u will play as in addition to roach.

Not Necessarily, We have no idea what Nationality Roach is. PhantBat 20:28, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

''Task force 141 is a multinational force. Roach could be American or Iraqi for all we know. 20:33, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

''Roach is most likely SAS if he and Soap do a solo mission in Cliffhanger. But more importantly, Roach isn't the only playable character. The rangers probably are a seperate campaign from TF 141. OmgHAX! 21:27, October 16, 2009 (UTC)''

yea and the ranger you will fight as is the one who will be trained by shepherd...roach isn't gonna be trained by shepherd

''There might also be a SEAL mission, or one you are playing with SEALs (or possibly DEVGRU), look here. Also, this is my reasoning on why Roach would only be SAS. Attack Rhino 02:33, October 17, 2009 (UTC)''

Continued section

Has it been confirmed that Shepherd does train Roach? If so, that means he is a Ranger, if not, it is becoming increasing annoying that people keep adding the fact that he trains Roach, from what I have seen no proof. Attack Rhino 23:42, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

No, there's been no confirmation. The first mention of sheperd is from the achievements. However, one of the voice actors says his character trains the player, and he's a ranger. Ergo, Sheperd is a ranger. OmgHAX! 00:36, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

It has been confirmed that there will be multiple playable characters, so we don't know that you play as Roach in the training mission. Speculation about this should just die; we don't have nearly enough information at our disposal to infer anything from this. Imrlybord7 01:45, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

roach is british get over it everyone. its confirmed because he is not a ranger so therefore he must be british.

What the hell are you talking about? It was never confirmed that he wasn't a Ranger, and for all we know there are other countries on TF 141 than the U.S. and U.K. Also, sign your posts. Imrlybord7 03:33, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks guys for the verification. I do not research about the game, so I wanted to check first. I will then make the appropriate changes. Attack Rhino 06:19, October 19, 2009 (UTC) P.S Is there a way for you (the person) to be able to sign someone's post for them, not putting your signature at the end of the post, but saying it is by that person without having to go into the history and everything? Thanks.

u will be fighting as two main people in modern warfare 2 (dont say this isnt confirmed because its always been like this: a marine and sas in cod4 and an american and russian in cod5): a member of TF 141 and also as a ranger in this game. since roach is definately in TF 141 (cliffhanger mission confirms this) he cant be the ranger.

First off, SIGN YOUR POSTS! Secondly, you played as three different people in C.o.D 5 (Miller ,Petrenko, and Locke). Also, the Rangers could be apart of Task Force 141. It's also not uncommon for different Special Forces groups to train each other.--OutlawODST


 * Less than uncommon, it happens all the time. TF 121 is based of real task forces. SF units are frequently training and executing missions together. Attack Rhino 00:16, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

i said u fight as two MAIN people u played as locke in only one mission....roach is part of TF 141 and u will fight as someone else in the rangers

Modern Warfare 2 is significantly different than any prior CoD games, so thinking that there will definitely be 2 main playable characters is pretty stupid. Imrlybord7 13:02, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Captain Price
if he returns he cant be part of TF 141 because Soap is already leading it...price would outrank soap and wont be under soaps command so he is not in TF 141

Good point, please sign your posts so we can credit you. Slowrider7

Once again my theory is he is a prisoner you find by accident and bust out. Who knows... the loyalists who saved him may have been attacked shortly after Soap was med-evaced out of there. OmgHAX! 04:29, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

He could be an adviser who is brought in at the last minute part way through the game, as there are more members needed. Maybe he does not lead, as Soap has had more extremely recent experience. Maybe, maybe not? I do like your theory HAX. Attack Rhino 06:32, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

It's interesting to note that the achievement for completing the campaign on hardened or veteran is "The Price of War." MrJoe95 12:59, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Didn't notice that before, thanks. OmgHAX! 13:40, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Not to offend you but there is no way that you could tell price was that prisoner or in the boat (it could have been anybody)but i do belive that he will return and gaz too --Ranjam01 16:44, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Gaz is dead for sure. No one would survive a point-blank headshot from a deagle. As for Price, we might have seen his face. If you pause infamy at the right time you can see the prisoner's profile. Same nose, facial hair looks the same. Its a very distinctive face and could very well be price's. OmgHAX! 21:55, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Am I right to think that the voice actor who is playing Price said that he is/already has started work in LA for the voice of Price? Attack Rhino 22:30, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Billy Murray (Price's voice actor) confirmed he was doing voice work for Price in Modern Warfare 2, but it could be a flashback or something. and why would Price be a prisoner?MrJoe95 02:23, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Because the guy in chains looks like him. OmgHAX! 13:59, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Considering the frantic action in the scene, I don't think you could say with ANY certainty that Captain Price in the guy in the boat. Assuming Captain Price survived CoD4, chances are HE would be leading TF-141, or he would let Soap take the lead and stay on the sidelines (After all, it was Zakhaev that Price had a vendetta against, not Makarov), which would be especially true if the Loyalists had managed to save him. As usual, the only mention of Captain Price on the article (until the game is released) should be that he is in the game, in some capacity; making the article indicate that he is, for certain, the man in the boat, is based entirely on speculation and wishful thinking.

I don't know what made me remember this but remember in the Original Call of Duty when you also had to rescue a Cpt. Price from an enemy stronghold (The Chateau Level). PhantBat 21:51, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

I agree mr joe95 it may well be a flashback scene of one of soap's later missions with cpt.price(if he survived)and gaz. Or it may well just be another soldier or maybe his twin brother ? --Ranjam01 22:11, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Customizable Appearance in Multiplayer?
As in, you can change your gear. Only has an effect on cosmetics. I remember seeing this around some official report on a website (Gamespot?) but it seems this isn't going to be the case. Just want to ask for confirmation. Radioactive Zombie 07:11, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

I remember that too from that "leaked" information from Twitter. That would be kinda cool, but then you might hear instead of "OMG HOT DID YOU GET THE ____?" into "OMG HOW DID YOU GET THE GHOST BALACLAVA?" Slowrider7

402 said that there won't be any customizable appearances because they want to focus on class creation, but I'm still hoping for some unlockable goodies. Imrlybord7 12:23, October 19, 2009 (UTC) ''FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Erm, I mean, thanks for the info. Was looking forward to not looking like some ugly grunt, but whatever. Radioactive Zombie 23:21, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Ghost is XO?
On Ghost's page an unregistered user said Ghost is second-in-command of 141. I deleted it as it had no citation, but I was wondering if anyone came across any info like that. I'm posting here because this page gets more traffic. Chief z 15:46, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Definitely unconfirmed info. You were right to delete it. Imrlybord7 16:24, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that's all I needed. Chief z 22:17, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

For what i know, it would not make too much sense that only a NCO would be a XO of any joint unit, especially a multinational special forces (for what it seems) task force. I would think there would be another officer that would be the XO. Attack Rhino 22:36, October 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what I was thinking and why I deleted it. I figured that some Lieutenant would be XO since Soap is a Captain. Chief z 22:47, October 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, even if the XO is from another SF unit, it would (I think) still make more sense. Attack Rhino 22:58, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

A theory on the EBR
I think that there might actually be 2 different versions, M21/M14 style. The AR version could be the M14 EBR, and the sniper version could be the M39 EMR. The purpose for this would be so that instead of having a sniper scope attachment on the EBR, the EMR could just come with a scope. Thoughts? Imrlybord7 17:00, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

I doubt IW is doing that again. They seem to be taking a page from R6V2 by making ARs better at sniping. After all, they can use two scopes now, the improved ACOG and the thermal scope, so maybe the Sniper class is reserved for rifles that would never be used at close range like M82. OmgHAX! 17:17, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

On a more joking side, the M82 can be used as a makeshift CQB weapon. Slowrider7

Soap on a Rope
I believe the Task Force 141 character with the American flag on his shoulder is Soap. If you look at his picture on the M14 it looks like Soap has the flag on his shoulder. It could be that Task Force 141 has a uniform that Soap wears.--OutlawODST--

If you're talking about the pic on the M14 EBR page, we discussed that last archive.

Entries from previous section, Section 42 ''Man this one's got me confused. The caption says it's Soap, but he's got the US flag on left arm. Then there's another picture where it shows him from a different angle and he's got the Union Jack on his right arm. And then he doesn't even look like Soap, at least to me; his face looks more square than the one at the top of Soap's page. Then again, Soap's the only guy we know that has a mohawk, plus he's using the M14. If somebody asked me who he is I wouldn't be able to tell them. A little clarification please. Chief z 14:08, October 16, 2009 (UTC)''

''I assumed it was soap since both those shots are from the same place but at different angles. Maybe IW goofed on the texture or something. The guys over at IW forums are debating it as well, they agree its a mistake. OmgHAX! 14:57, October 16, 2009 (UTC)''

''Well keep in mind that TF141 is a team of both American and British soldiers. So it makes perfect sense for there to be both flags on the uniform. WouldYouKindly 17:00, October 16, 2009 (UTC)''

whats the m14 ebr page

''It's funny, because I did consider both of those explanation. But TF141 isn't strictly US/UK; it's multi-national. Now if they wore the flags of all the countries involved with the task force they'd probably look like advertisements for the United Nations. Then again I could be wrong, since the team is lead by both forces. Anyhow, I agree with the texture goof, as most of the soldiers seem to be wearing the same basic uniform. By the way, to the guy above me; sign your posts and type M14 EBR in the search box. Chief z 23:46, October 16, 2009 (UTC)''

Hope this helps. Chief z 00:40, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. It really helped.--OutlawODST

No prob. Chief z 10:07, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Uk Royal marine commando
Yessss!!! Thank you lord in heavan!--Slacky!!! 18:44, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Is there proof? If not, I'm removing it.   Maj.Gage   Talk . 19:07, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

I didn'tput it there, I just saw it yesterday.--Slacky!!! 16:33, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Weapons
AUG A2 and the L85 have been seen in a video interview of Modern Warfare 2 released Oct 15, 2009. These rifles are shown hung on a wall when you are selecting weapons in Spec Ops. Should these be confirmed? 68.192.220.98 21:11, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

The "L85" was an L86 LSW, and we have seen the AUG A2 a dozen times, but we have never seen pick-up text for it. We have seen pick-up text for the AUG HBAR a dozen times, but we have never actually seen it. We are assuming that the guns will be one in the same in the game. It's highly unlikely that we have ONLY seen one of the guns and ONLY seen the pick-up text for the other one. Imrlybord7 22:32, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

The other thing is why would IW make models of guns they are not going to use in the game? It would just waste time that they do not have. Attack Rhino 04:50, October 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thats a good point, but if you remember there was a different rocker launcher slated for COD4 that was scrapped at the last second. The models, perk symbol, and kill symbol are all still in there. It can be used with a mod on the PC version. So, basically, its not done until its done. LegendaryPsycho 21:29, October 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * The AT4? Moozipan Cheese 21:36, October 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, thank you. Thats the one. LegendaryPsycho 21:40, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Concerning surprizeattack.com
Should we include it in the article? We could just give it its own section (not article), and label it "Promotions." We could also toss in the Monster Energy thing. Just a thought. Chief z 06:07, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Definitely a good idea. Imrlybord7 13:49, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

L96...actually R700?
I was doing some research on the L96 (trying to figure out the exact model), and I came across something interesting: turns out Accuracy International (manufacturer of the L96) makes stocks based on the L96 for some R700's, simply called the Accuracy International Chassis System (AICS). Though I doubt the L96 would be renamed R700 in MW2 (if it is included), it is something interesting to consider. Chief z 06:45, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

I definitely don't think that IW would include such a thing. Imrlybord7 13:50, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it does seem a bit complicated and, at least in my opinion, would only confuse players. Chief z 13:56, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

IW seems to be only adding weapons that are relatively well known, people know either the L96 or R700, but not a R700 dressed to look like an L96. OmgHAX! 17:10, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Spec Ops
i dont understand what this sentence from the spec ops portion of the modern warfare 2 page means: "Missions will be divided by groups, called Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, and Echo, the last said to be the hardest." i thought the levels were regular hardened and veteran. can someone explain.


 * Yeah, but the difficulty curve will make those in the latter groups more challenging. Kind of like what you'd expect from any other (good) game; it gets harder as you progress further into it AS WELL as having different difficulty modes. Also, remember to sign with ~ . Moozipan Cheese 18:12, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

I thought they compared it to Guitar Hero, in the sense that there are 'sets', and the later the sets, the harder the game. Tomhoppus 21:07, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Tom, thats what Cheese just said. It gets harder as each group, but then you can select the difficuly per mission. Slowrider7

Modern Warfare 2 Strategy Guide
Check out these links. Good for product description: http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=74526 Lower price and earlier release date: http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Warfare-Signature-Strategy/dp/0744011647/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256177814&sr=8-5 Imrlybord7 02:27, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

In case anyone doesn't realize what this means, you can get it from Amazon and see everything that's in the game a week early. I'm sort of tempted, but at the same time, I think having surprises will be good. Imrlybord7 02:52, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Bord, didnt you read "Pre Order ships 11/10/09?" EDIT: My bad, I didnt see the Amazon link. Slowrider7

Marine
on the TF 141 page under trivia it says there is a marine and it was confirmed by robert bowling. does anyone know where?

It was added by an unregistered user. He's added a bunch of info to the TF141 page (some good, some bad). Since he didn't provide a source, I deleted it. Right now, I can only assume good faith, per COD:AGF. But so far, the only correlation we have between the USMC and MW2 is the game's release date, which is the birthday of the Marine Corp. Chief z 14:11, October 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Not to be a grammar nazi, but I kind of have to do this since it is pertinent to what I'm doing in my AP Statistics class. Correlation is the quantitative measure of association, which is the word you should have used. Don't hit me! Imrlybord7 19:28, October 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * WHAT?! Nah, just kidding. You'd think that I, someone who's taken AP Lit and AP English, would be able to use the right word (should've said connection). Just call it one of those late-night edits. Chief z 22:02, October 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's a mistake that like 99% of the human population (including math teachers) make because only AP Stat teachers and AP Stat students actually know that correlation is the measurement and association is the general term. I wasn't criticizing you for it, just correcting it because I figured you wouldn't be offended and would actually enjoy the trivia. /randomly announces 750 M 750 CR 740 W SAT scores (with no preparation). /is gunned down by normal people who don't compulsively brag. Imrlybord7 05:24, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * No offense taken. You are right about the trivia thing; if anything, you've only made me smarter. Chief z 07:17, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

402 on Callsigns, Rewards/Challenges, CO-OP, and Attachments/Equipment/Perks.
http://gameone.de/blog/2009/10/interview-zu-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2#

Interesting Fact - The care package can kill if it lands on you. --Cpt Jack House 00:08, October 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ha ha, well, wouldn't that be embarrassing! Moozipan Cheese 00:13, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

The care package reminds me of Mercenaries. Maybe too much...
 * That's the first thing I thought of when I read description about it. Chief z 22:05, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

I think we can confirm that Matyrdom is a Death Streak Perk.Slowrider7

And how exactly did you come to that conclusion? Imrlybord7 21:28, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

"In COD4 you had Matyrdom, which you know when you die you drop a grenade and it blows up. Uhh, it was designed for something that was for players that werent very good to use, but then it got abused by all the players that were very good, and then it became very frustrating that everyone was using it. And we thought "Okay, how can we rethink the same mentality of making games acsessible for people who arent super elite players." And thats where death streaks came along" -Robert Bowling

See how he aknowledges the perk? Now, if IW think it was being abused, where else could they put it that is 100% abuse proof? Oh, gee, Death Perks. Slowrider7

He is just talking about how Martyrdom rewarded players for dying and Death Streaks are the same idea, just more balanced. He never says anything to suggest that Martyrdom is returning. Imrlybord7 05:57, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Ghost Comic Preview
First 5 pages + 3 alternate covers OmgHAX! 01:21, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Freaking awesome. He's definitely going to be a fan favorite, and probably my favorite. Imrlybord7 02:40, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Ghost is ace he is the new gaz but will be a more fan favourite than gaz ?WhIpSnAp? 08:50, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

When I found out that Fairbrass was voicing him, I said he may become my next favorite character. After reading that, I'm sure of it. Chief z 10:28, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Correction About Veteran Edition
I was just reading through the section on the page about the different editions of the game that will be released and it still says that the Veteran edition is UK exclusive but you can pre-order it from gamestop in the US. I have a link but I could still be wrong I guess. http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=76058 I would have edited myself but I can't edit it because it's locked. AnonymousOne 06:12, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it's the Veteran Edition figurine with the Regular Edition game. The real "Veteran Edition" is the figurine with the Hardened Edition. Imrlybord7 11:59, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Oh thanks I figured there had to be some sort of difference. Thanks again. AnonymousOne 22:04, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Min Specs for PC
OS: Microsoft Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 (Windows 95/98/ME/2000 are unsupported)

Processor: Intel Pentium 4 3.2 GHz or AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor or better supported

Memory: 1 GB RAM

Graphics: 256 MB NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT or better or ATI Radeon 1600XT or better

DirectX: Microsoft DirectX(R) 9.0c

Hard Drive: 12GB of free hard drive space

Sound: 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card

Internet: Broadband connection required for Multiplayer Connectivity. Internet Connection required for activation -- 16:43, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Only 1 GB RAM? That's a lot less than I thought it would need for the minimum. WouldYouKindly 18:19, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

I know right? Thats like what you need to run the operating system alone.-- 18:40, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Not when you run good ol' 98! But 1GB of RAM only -- seems a bit little to me as well.

Keep in mind that these are bare minimum specs, meaning that a computer with these specs will be able to load the game up and play it with a crappy framerate on all low settings. Imrlybord7 19:48, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Not mine =p-- 19:49, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have the specs of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare for comparison? I'm not a PC gamer at all, but I'd be interested in how much they differ. Moozipan Cheese 22:07, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Cod 4 specs:

"Recommended Specs"
 * CPU: 2.4 GHz dual core or better is recommended
 * RAM: 1G for XP; 2G for Vista is recommended
 * Harddrive: 8GB of free hard drive space
 * Video card: 3.0 Shader Support recommended. Nvidia Geforce 7800 or better or ATI Radeon X1800 or better

"Required (Minimum) Specs"

__________________ -- 23:26, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 2.4 GHz or AMD(R) Athlon(TM) 64 2800+ processor or any 1.8Ghz Dual Core Processor or better supported
 * RAM: 512MB RAM (768MB for Windows Vista
 * Harddrive: 8GB of free hard drive space
 * Video card: NVIDIA(R) Geforce(TM) 6600 or better or ATI(R) Radeon(R) 9800Pro or better

Either this is me, or the specs for MW2 are basically the same as for MW1. Does this mean that IW has not changed to a more powerful and demanding engine? If that is true, that is a real pity. Attack Rhino 00:33, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

My Idea
Well, people have their speculation about a flashback that involves Soap and Capt. Price, but I think something different. I think you could play as Ghost in a flashback mission. Maybe that is just what the comic book is for, but who knows. Also, MW2 update, were I live it is October 23 (10-23), so that means about 19 or 20 more days, or about 3 more weeks    Maj.Gage   Talk . 00:05, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

American: Good or Evil?
If you notice in several trailers, there is a male American voice saying things. He talks a lot in the reveal trailer, stating thigs about the Russian government and "But Makarov's reach is spreading... This can only end one way." This makes me think he is a soldier we haven't seen yet (Possibly Shepperd.) However, he also sounds very close to the American in the Teaser Trailer who says, "Remember, no Russian." That person is one of the four gunmen who attack the airport, including Makarov. (I'm sure he's who's view you're seeing from in the reveal trailer) Speculation? And I'm sorry if this makes no sense, but it's late at night here and I'm tired. MrJoe95 03:17, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, a traitor in the midst? Seems plausible. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the guys who attacked the airport were all Russian. As for the voice being Shepherd, I doubt that it's him; Keith David has a very distinctive voice, and that didn't sound like him to me (unless it wasn't his final voice, like Soap). Chief z 04:11, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

No, he sounds nothing like Keith David or the "Remember, no Russian," guy. Imrlybord7 05:20, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

That guy from the teaser sounds like Makarov. OmgHAX! 14:45, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Yep, the guy in the teaser is probably Makarov. I think the guy being refered to is just a voiceover person, giving us the overview of the game, not a character, I could be wrong, but we have no proof. PhantBat 14:52, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Alright, well I didn't know Keith David was voicing Shepperd at the time I wrote this. But in the teaser, Makarov (High, feminine voice that has been identified as his) says something in Russian and a voice that sounds American says, "Remember, no Russian." MrJoe95 14:56, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that guy sounds pretty damn Russian. Imrlybord7 21:27, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I was tired. Sorry. MrJoe95 21:44, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Juggernaut
Yo homies I waz just liek wonderin if der is stoppin powa in da modern warfaer 2 then thar must be da jugganaut to balance it aut rite? 09:42, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Why are you talkin like that? DevilWarrior112 11:27, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

No, IW rightly decided That they'd replace it with painkiller. IMO the Juggernaut/Stopping power marriage was a fraud. OmgHAX! 14:21, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * For one thing, unless you already own the game and/or strategy guide, there is no way that you would know that Juggernaut isn't in the game. Also, how the hell is their "marriage" a fraud? They cancel each other out. Imrlybord7 14:23, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * The advantage of juggernaut is in effect the same as stopping power. With juggernaut you take 75% of the damage but give  100%.  with stopping power you take 100% but give 135% damage.  Both are 1.35 damage given to taken.  So in reality they are the same thing against any other red perk because you will take damage and give damage at a 1.35 ratio while normally you have a 1 ratio. Bepo 15:27, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hahahaha no. Stopping Power is 140% damage, and the math isn't nearly as complicated as what you said. Stopping Power lets you kill with one less bullet, Juggernaut lets you survive one more bullet. Imrlybord7 17:23, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

no man, teh jugernot waz smoked bi infinitteee waurd, painkillah waz addeddd 2 balence it outt--Maj. Boner 15:39, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

If thats da cais den infiniti warde hav liek realli messed up cuz liek painkilla only give u doubel health for da first 10 seconds afta respawnin afta diein 4 timez in a rowe witout gettin a kil - whith is rubbish man

Devilwarrior I am talkin liek this for teh lolz 17:51, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Cliffhanger Extended!
just found some awsome cliffhanger EXTENDED FOOTAGE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xkB-GksQqY&feature=related --Maj. Boner 20:28, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Nothing new to see expect soap's voice and the new soundtrack. Good find, though. OmgHAX! 21:23, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Way old. Also, I liked the old voices for Soap and Petrov better. Imrlybord7 23:58, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Petrov sounds a bit different as well. He sounds a lot more angry than in the Cliffhanger reveal trailer, where he just sounded a bit bored. WouldYouKindly 00:25, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, I thought that the "boredom" in his voice sounded really cool, whereas this Petrov sounds like he's overacting. Also, in case you didn't notice, I did mention Petrov before. Imrlybord7 01:42, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, sorry. I noticed right after I posted that. WouldYouKindly 02:02, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

I'm with Imrlybord on this, the voices were way cooler before. I liked the boredom in his voice, because it's like he feels like he has better things he could be doing, and suddenly - shot dead. 02:00, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Soap's old voice made him sound more battle hardened. But at 1:09 he sounds just like MacMillan. I'm with Bord on Petrov's voice; sounds a little too excited (of course, if I was stuck on top of a blistering cold mountain, I'd be pissed off too.) Chief z 02:32, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

I like the new voices better: Soap is more commanding and Petrov is really pissed off, as he should be. The old ones sounded off: Soap sounded like he had a cold and I agree that Petrov sounded bored. OmgHAX! 02:48, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

also, Instead of typing on the keyboard to download files, you have to pick up a module... MrJoe95 03:27, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * I noticed that, and it makes a lot more sense than going up to a keyboard and pressing one button. Imrlybord7 03:35, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Full size MP5


The magazine and barrel resemble the MP5A3, like from COD4. Could it be? 21:39, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

It does look like an MP5, but it also looks like a UMP. Don't add it. Unless something is blatantly obvious, there is no point in debating when the game is this close to release (I'm not chastising you in the slightest, since obviously you did not try to incite debate/argument, just putting things in perspective to prevent anyone from trying to turn this into a debate/argument in the near future). Imrlybord7 22:45, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

I know it does not really help much, but I think it looks slightly more like a MP5. Scratch that, the more I look at it, and compare with real images, the more I am unsure about what it looks like. For all I know, I think it could be a MP9, MP7, or any other SMG or machine pistol. Attack Rhino 00:53, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

By the looks of the front sights, i think it's a UMP, and the magazine also looks straight, not curved--Maj. Boner 02:19, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

3rd Person modes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fePUM0u5cuY&feature=player_embedded i cant see any signs of it being spectator mode --Cpt Jack House 04:56, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

It could be spectator or a theater mode, ever played messed around on halo 3 with them MowatMan