Forum:Decratting Darkman 4

A Bureaucrat of this Wiki, Darkman 4, has been behaving unbefitting a sysop on this wiki. Most recently he supported the abuse of Imrlybord7's power in deleting many pages. His behavior has been crude and some of it, rude.

Evidence will be posted below.


 * Admitted so much as letting another admin abuse power and doing nothing.
 * Support of power abuse.
 * Crude comment
 * A rude and uncalled for comment.
 * Part of the "Blogging Ban" incident, conspired to implement this off-wiki, while a discussion about restricting blogs was in-progress.
 * Helped BigM block and then harass User:Callofduty4 (link needed)
 * User talk:Callofduty4/Archive 2
 * Evidence of the above
 * Other side of that conversation between BigM and Darkman
 * About ten down, the actual blocks discussed above with a reason of: "Got pissy with an admin after his vote to be an admin failed, is a whiny bitch, has contribued nothing of value the past few months, acts like a child, and is overall a pain in the as;need I say more?"

Darkman has not only abused his power, but has supported power abuse, he has also made several crude comments, he has not been a good example to the users, as the sysops should, he's been blunt to the point of being rude in the past. Because of this evidence, it is my firm opinion that Darkman is not fit to be an bureaucrat, as he has abused his power in the past, and has now not only allowed, but supported the abuse of power by another administrator. The evidence says it all, I propose that a vote be held to not only decrat Darkman, but desysop him as well.

Decratting Darkman 4
Per above, I don't feel a bureaucrat should be making those types of jokes, so I'm basically just starting the new section. What I said above stands. Please comment below this only, thank you.

What I've said stands, I am '''Supporting. 04:23, June 10, 2010 (UTC)'''

My vote remains an Oppose, Darkman has not abused his crat powers, why remove them? Blocks and de-sysoping/cratting are not meant as a punishment and should not be treated as such. It is meant to remove privileges that are being abused for the sake of the wiki. Aside from the one incident several months ago, which Darkman has since apologized for and changed his behavior, there have not been any serious power abuse incidents from him, whether they be sysop powers or bureaucrat powers.--WouldYouKindly 04:28, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

A further comment for the people that keep bringing up the COD4 incident, the fact that he was made a crat after that in the first place is proof that he has, at least in the eyes of the majority of the Wiki, changed his behavior.--WouldYouKindly 04:30, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I specifically said, "I don't feel a bureaucrat should be making those types of jokes". That is my main problem with him being a bureaucrat, he isn't a particularly good example, and he's even said he doesn't have a problem with be decratted.
 * I don't see what the big deal is, all it Caratship seems to be is giving rollback to a few trusted users. --CodExpert 04:48, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that the comments were inappropriate, but there's no specific rule against them. And did it occur to anyone to even ask him politely to stop? If that didn't stop the comments, this definitely will. He even said himself that he wasn't aware people would take it so seriously. Naivete? Yes. De-crat worthy? No, I think this is enough of a lesson. And CodExpert pretty much hit the nail on the head with what it is, all it does is let you alter user rights. Other than that, it's no different from Sysop rights.--WouldYouKindly 04:53, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Bureaucrats are more than just user rights' editors, they're role-models, the leaders if you will. He's said he doesn't mind be decratted. I never said he abused his bureaucrat powers, I simply said I don't believe he acts as a bureaucrat should, he simply doesn't stay neutral enough, he's a magnificent editor, but his behavior simply isn't what a bureaucrat's should be. We honestly believed something was wrong, a blog was created specifically asking if the wiki thought there was something wrong with him, a lot of us honestly believed he was serious, that was cue enough that we didn't see them as appropriate. Since when are we trying to "punish" Darkman, WouldYouKindly? If I ever implied that, I didn't mean to, this is strictly business.

Oppose - Per WYK. Can't focus now. Chief z 06:06, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support Decratting, Stong Oppose Desysopping - Darkman's behavior is not perfect, therefore he should not be a 'crat. That part is pretty cut and dry. However, he is a great sysop and an asset to the wiki who has not done nearly enough to deserve having his sysop rights revoked. Imrlybord7 09:50, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Change to Support Decratting,Oppose Desysopping- After further review and a good nights sleep I realize what he has done is bad but not the worst thing that could be done. So I say no more 'cratship but still an Admin, but if he crosses the line he is done -- T  C  E   B 10:22, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * You didn't really have to add in the second part, as you'll notice the proposal to desysop Darkman is no longer up and has been officially withdrawn.
 * Where does it say that GenCain sig.jpg T  C  E   B 10:35, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Umm.... section and page titles...?
 * Meh, nothing changed on my page GenCain sig.jpg T  C  E   B 10:41, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support Decratting, Neutral Dysysopping - After I've seen what Darkman has done, he doesn't deserve to be a 'crat. What he did to CoD4, was horrible. He should have had his powers removed right then and there.   404 Error   File Not Found  Please Try Again 11:12, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support Decratting, Neutral Dysysopping - I looked through the evidence myself and this is bad, Justice needs to be upheld. Squelliot Talk Edits. 11:35, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment Has anyone even looked at the timestamps on the COD4 incident? That happened LONG, LONG before he became a crat.--WouldYouKindly 12:48, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral, leaning support - I have no clue what suddenly compelled Darkman to do all of this, but imagine, for a moment, all of his edits were undone. There would be virtually nothing not relating to MW games. We should try to, at least, keep him around. De-sysoping would be a mistake in that regard. Sgt.Maj. Delta  4-7 13:05, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Darkman in no ways deserves Crat rights. Sysop, maybe. Not 'Crat. Slowrider7 15:28, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - This is madness. He may have done wrong, but some of this stuff is your opinion. Besides who is going to Decrat him? Also sometimes people are annoying and when you are a crat or a sysop you have to deal with them. This stuff is all very much in the past and to be honest it's very to criticize someone else who has a big job to do. You're not a sysop and how many of them are voting in support of this? 15:38, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * "You're not a sysop and how many of them are voting in support of this?" that's in contradiction of COD:AEAE. If you hadn't noticed, few admins have been on since these were posted, I expect Chia's input sometime later today. If it matters at all to any of you, he provided the links found above.

Comment - This is pissing me off, I changed the forum, the page title and the section title BOTH say "Decratting Darkman 4". I officially withdrew the proposal to desysop him. Continually bringing it up is only showing that people aren't reading the entire chunk of discussion, which you should be doing if you're voting on this.

OPPOSE - WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING??????? 20:10, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I don't really care about the block crap, it happened way before he became a bureaucrat anyway. 20:15, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per CoD4. CoD4 and BigM stuff is in the past. Also, you can't de-crat him unless you call in Wiki staff. Doing so will blow this way out of proportion. Doc.  Richtofen  21:35, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's the job of those who work at Wikia to deal with this sort of thing. If the discussion ends in favor of Dark losing his bureaucratic abilities they'll come in, take it off, and leave without causing the slightest fuss. 23:43, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose-Per Doc<font color="#FF00FF">nlm gr  22:51, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Pending - I really don't know about this one. --<font style="background:silver"> Sgt.  Dunn  22:52, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

oppose-this is ridiculous. i can understand one of these, but two? Dark has done nothing wrong in my opinion, and this whole thing is tearing the wiki up.

Comment - he's clearly said he's fine with it, and his behavior simply isn't the model of a bureaucrat, it isn't about qualification, simply behavior. This is about personality.

Change to neutral - I've been thinking. <font style="background:darkred">  404 Error   File Not Found  Please Try Again 03:01, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Support- Per Slowrider. He should not be a Crat but he can be a SysopMoiz1224 05:37, June 11, 2010 (UTC) User lacks required mainspace edits to participate in War Room activity. --CodExpert 05:41, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Archive of previous discussion
Discussion below:

Support - per above

I dont know. Neutral, leaning towards support - I just read CoD4's talk page, and like Chia said, that was power abuse. The country thingy, I don't really know about that. He just gave his opinion. About his comments, I think he was just trying to make jokes, but he failed. Epicly. And I think admins shouldn't do jokes like that. About the blogging ban, I don't know, as I wasn't here. So, all in one, I think yes, he had a little of...unnaceptable behavior, but WE voted for him, WE saw he had great contributions, and WE trusted him. So, I am neutral, but leaning towards support. Just my two cents. P.S: I'd also like to see the good grammar come back...  Commander W567123daniel Wanna Talk? 02:15, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment I dont know what to say to this, I mean the COD4 stuff was a year ago, and they seem to be over it <font color="Gold"> T <font color="Crimson"> C <font color="Gold"> E  <font color="Crimson"> B 02:21, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

In full support - Hes been in the three biggest scandals to ever happen on the wiki, has been very rude more-so lately that ever. Then this thing with Bord, he supported it, never told anyone, but didn't help him just because he didn't want to get into trubble? It's WAY TO FAR! 02:31, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I'll say the same thing I said on Imrlybord's desysop proposition: I don't know enough of what happened to make an informed decision. Cpl. Wilding 02:32, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Change to support- this has gone waaayyyy to far, it is a sad day when a crat falls GenCain sig.jpg<font color="Gold"> T <font color="Crimson"> C <font color="Gold"> E  <font color="Crimson"> B 02:34, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Change to support - Now, that looking over it again, I see he has gone way too far. Such a behavior is unacceptable for an admin, much less for a 'crat. [[File:Anim-ac-130 emblem.gif]] Commander W567123daniel Wanna Talk? 02:39, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Damn edit conflicts, you all summarized it up for me. --CodExpert 02:40, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Support -
 * Support - That's straight up BS! What he has been doing is just unfitting for an admin! Beretta92FS.jpg<font style="color:#CC5500">Sgt.Safe-Sex <font style="color:#CC5500">Wrap itbefore you tap it!|undefined 02:52, J
 * Support -
 * Support - That's straight up BS! What he has been doing is just unfitting for an admin! Beretta92FS.jpg<font style="color:#CC5500">Sgt.Safe-Sex <font style="color:#CC5500">Wrap itbefore you tap it!|undefined 02:52, J

une 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment You guys really, really think that what I've been doing is "power abuse" lately? What aren't you going after CoD4? He said he was fine with the deletions and he's been in the latest scandal. Also, you're digging up old shit from a year ago that everybody has gotten over.

I DIDN'T HELP BORD WITH HIS SHIT.

Do you guys even know what "power abuser" is? Adding a few unpopular decisions is nothing compared what I've seen. I'm sure some other would agree. I mean, I've been banning vandals, reverting crap and other stuff.

If you guys are getting upset over a few rude comments, then I don't know what to say.

Sometimes, part of me thinks that people want to get rid of me as a fall guy for everything bad that has happened on this wiki. Darkman 4 03:04, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * As I've said, doing nothing, as a crat, is just as bad as helping. And this is a repeat, we have evidence of prior power abuse Darkman...
 * Might as well get CoD and Pokertape; they were on and didn't revert any of it as well.
 * Repeat offense Darkman...
 * SO why are you doing this Darth? You got something against me? Darkman 4 03:09, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * No I don't, I may not like you, but I used to respect you.
 * I still can't beleive that people thing the "delete irl" crap is "power abuse". If I really were power abusing, I'd ban everyone that voted for me. Darkman 4 03:13, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * He did it without the consent of any admin other than you. He didn't make an official proposal.
 * Oh so now you're going to use this against me? Come on. Darkman 4 03:16, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I won't, i can see that as something you needed to say. Doltensig.jpeg 03:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - A decision on this is hard to make. One desysoping him has been brought up before so it is obivious that this is not the first time that people feel he has abused power. And looking at the block log some of his comments are in blatant violation of the treat other users properly section in the user treatment policy. "is a whiny bitch" sounds like a personal attack and if anyone else had done so they would be banned. But for supporting Bord is he really at fault blaming the follower is not a great thing Darkman agreed with the deletion which probably should have been done differently but did not start it. And besides from the offensive comments and like material he has helped by blocking vandals while he may have been more rude than needed he has done a damn good job. So where are we without him if we are going to desysop him the question is can we find someone who is nicer to replace him? If not then we may hurt ourseleves. Darkman has told other users like CoD4 that he willl give them another chance is that needed here? Because while he may not be the best of people he does a good job if you look at him you will see negatives that might deserve a block but if you look at bans and reverted edits I see one thing. Results.
 * Foxtrot12 03:20, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose For the same reasons as Bord's, most of the stuff on there is ages old and no longer relevant (particularly the Cod4 incident, Darkman was strongly warned at that point, and the main person responsible was de-sysopped). The deletions are covered by policy, no RL articles. I don't necessarily agree with the policy (personally I think a little RL info is okay, but that's neither here nor there), but both Bord and Darkman were well within their rights to do this, as it is covered by policy. As for the blogging ban incident, if we're going to be dragging that incident out of the proverbial muck again, then, according to that logic, I, and several other admins who I will not name also deserve to be de-sysopped, I thought that we had made it clear we had made a mistake with that, and we worked to implement a less-restrictive policy, which we did.--WouldYouKindly 03:21, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Time doesn't make it any less relevant.
 * So we should dig up everything on every user and hold it against them for life then? Sometimes, you need to forgive and forget, which is what happened earlier. Darkman 4 03:27, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Per Darth, it doesn't matter how long ago it was, that was a major offence. Doltensig.jpeg 03:30, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was, but we've made up. I admitted I was wrong and now CoD4 is one of our best users. Do things like "apologies" mean nothing these days? Darkman 4 03:32, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Especially since Darkman has not blocked anyone who didn't have it coming (IE vandals) since then. Give him a break, it happened several months ago. If we're going to drag stuff like this up, why not bring up my less-than-friendly comments to Williamstrother on the Gary Sanderson talk page and try to de-sysop me?--WouldYouKindly 03:29, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said, repeat offense WYK.
 * I apologied on both counts and realized that we did bad things and I haven't done them since. Like I said, all that matters is that I did something bad and that my apologies don't matter. Darkman 4 03:35, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please point me to where he blocked someone else who didn't deserve it. Deleting the RL articles was NOT power abuse. It was following the new policies of no RL info (which again, I don't necessarily agree with, but rules are rules, this is the Call of Duty Wiki, not Wikipedia). Saying it repeatedly does not make it so.--WouldYouKindly 03:36, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not on that scale it's not, Bord was going to delete whole catagorize without anyones thoughts. And Darkman went with it, without telling anyone. Doltensig.jpeg 03:38, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Those articles could have been improved to be CoD canon only. And they were not his to decide to delete. This is about Darkman, not Bord anyway. Why are you bringing Bord's actions up? I'm tired of people trying to change the subject, it's ridiculous.
 * Because Bord was the one that started it up, Darkman just went along with it.--WouldYouKindly 03:42, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Doing nothing is just as bad, sometimes worse, than doing something bad. Doltensig.jpeg 03:44, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * So I'm just as guilty as the guy deleted all of them? that's like saying a cop is guilty of murder if he got pushed out of the way by a suspect while he was trying to chase him. Darkman 4 03:48, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's like a cop seeing a murder, but not doing anything at all about it. Doltensig.jpeg 03:49, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comments - With the comments, I didn't expect people to be so offended by them. They're supposed to be humorous in a "shocking" way. I was bored and thought I'd spice up the blogs with a little edgy humor. Darkman 4 03:27, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Very Strong Oppose - What is this? Anarchy? Why De-sysop an excellent user? His contributions are some of few that dramitically changed this wiki. Maj.Gage Talk. 03:34, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Strong support - "I want it to give me a blowjob" -- Darkman 4. Are you aware there are some "younger" users on this wiki? If an unregistered user came here, and saw tht comment and was offended, we could have lost a potentially great user. "Spicing up a blog with humor" is different than vulgarities. And what he said on my talk page was pure idiocy. I cannot believe he said that. Him along with a few other admins, have been getting a little power hungy... His intent upon my talk page of flaming me to keep my block longer was obvious, and I didn't fall for it that time.--TMOI 03:39, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't have any rules against vulgar language like that. The only thing we punish for bad language is excessive cussing and usage of derogatory terms like "fag". Darkman 4 03:39, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm with Darkman on this one, thats nothing to worry about. Doltensig.jpeg 03:40, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wasn't trying to flamebait you with those comments. I was just trying to let you know so that you wouldn't fall for his flamebait. hell, you you started your latest communist blog, I was the one that prohibited trolling on it. If I was just a meanie, then I would've engaged in the trolling and not tried to protect you. Darkman 4 03:42, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any Sysop could have posted "No trolling" and it would have had the same effect. There was nothing special about what you said, however I do thank you for that protection from vandals, but I could have simply removed the comments.--TMOI 03:44, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Change to support - Look Darkman you are a damn good sysop and if only judging your work well then I would say that you deserve a fucking statue. But your comments on the blogs was just immature and something to be expected from a 9 year old kid. Plus your comments especially the "whiny bitch" one are in violation of the user treatment policy and could be considered flame bait and definitely a personal attack. I don't really know the policy on what power abuse is so I can't really go there. But everybody knows that if some non admin user had posted an offensive comment like that than he/she would have been banned and the offensive comments go on and on I can list more if needed. And if a non admin would have been banned then per All editors equal you should have been to. While your contributions have been great and you are an example of a good sysop if you look at your coments and statements then you are the example of an immature 9 year old kid. Any other editor would have been blocked and while you are a good sysop that cannot be an excuse for terrible behavior. It fails to matter how long ago it was if you kill somebody then does that mean that if you are not caught in twenty years you should not be charged? You were a great sysop but your behavior was not. After looking at your past and the policys then it is right that you are desysoped.
 * Foxtrot12 03:54, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * So apologies and changing my behavior means nothing. Good to know. Darkman 4 04:03, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - While I'm still not comfortable with him as a bureaucrat, I understand now that a lot of what he's said recently was jokingly, a lot of us honestly thought something was wrong with Darkman, so I withdraw my proposal to desysop him, and leave on the proposal to decrat him, as I feel a bureaucrat should not be making those types of jokes.

Neutral leaning Oppose - He's made some bad desicions, but I don't feel that's grounds for removing his bureaucrat or sysop powers. <font style="background:silver"> Sgt.  Dunn  10:14, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion is closed. Evidence still stands, however. Please vote by editing the area above this section. Darkman 4 22:46, June 10, 2010 (UTC)