Forum:Clearing out the Emotes page

Currently our emotes page is very full, some of the emotes have slipped into being unused, others being slightly off to have. There is currently a divide in what to do with the Emotes page, some beleive we should clear out the emotes page of all the lesser used emotes, while others see no harm in keeping the emotes. This attitude has lead to arguments whenever an emote is removed, as such I'm putting forward we finally get a consensus of what to do with the emotes page to stop these arguments for the time being. 00:01, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Comment - I personally think all emoticons that either cause controversy or are barely used should be removed. 00:04, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Support Most Some of the emotes are completely useless and unneeded, removing the non-used ones would be best. 00:04, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * "most". There are A LOT of emotes that are useful and used often. 00:06, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry :| -- 00:19, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Support removing unused emotes - i think bovell put it best when it came to this issue "if you're offended by dolan the duck, you shouldnt be on the internet" which is primarily the basis behind my argument that, for the most part, we're adults and can act that way and just ban anybody who trolls with the emotes so really i dont see an issue with it being used ...although i wouldnt mind if unused emotes were removed -- 00:13, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * But not everyone here is an adult. I also don't think it's far to just say "If you can't take a joke, then get off the internet!" ._. 00:15, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * So we should have users cater to our choice in emotes? It wasn't removedbecause "We don't like it" it's been removed due to the way it's been used, it was removed once by consensus, it was re-added and we agreed to let it stay, but given it's current use we felt it was to be removed again. 00:19, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Frankly, yes - we should. Or at least a small number of users that would find them offensive (and, such as the situation with Redskin, is highly biased towards the use of an emote like (dolan) because he was felt offended by something that was said with no harmful intentions). For the same reason we allow swearing - we're, for the most part, adults. We should be able to handle an emote that shouldn't ever be taken seriously, especially (dolan). -- 00:54, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * In my opinion it was and has been used as justification to breaking UTP and being a dick. 01:01, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to the recent use of it, that was "dolan speak" - not related to the actual emote at all. Really it would make more sense to ban "dolan speak" rather than the emote. I would also like to bring attention to the fact that dolan is probably the least serious meme out there, and should not be taken seriously - especially by a user that has a history here of good intentions. "Fak u" and "u cunt" are used in chat all the time (although I can't say whether or not you've taken part of it too) - I honestly have no idea why you're offended by this particular situation.
 * There are 2 points I'm trying to make here:
 * Removing the dolan emote does nothing when most situations relate to the use of said "dolan speak". "Fak u", "u cunt", etc are used in the chat all the time - even in situations that don't relate to dolan at all. (dolan), (oil), (raep), and (pedobear) have never been used directly against another user in a way that would warrant them being removed.
 * Most of us here are around the adult age. There is no reason we should be offended by the use of an emote that is arguably nsfw. As I said in the log above, we should be able to maintain a civil and fun attitude when it comes to using most of the emotes (and we do maintain that attitude quite well, which is why our chat is as large and friendly as it is). "Fak u" or "u cunt" are among some of the most common things said to other users as a joke, and in most situations don't involve the dolan emote itself at all. As it has been with excessive swearing and such, we can ban anybody who continues to use "dolan speak" or whatever in a way that offends users for the same reason we ban them for harassing users. -- 01:20, September 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * "(dolan), (oil), (raep), and (pedobear) have never been used directly against another user in a way that would warrant them being removed."


 * User A: User B
 * User B: hi
 * User A: u cunt (troll) (dolan)
 * User B: wat
 * User B: what does "User B" have in relation with "cunt"
 * User B: User A: can I have an answer please?
 * User A: yes
 * User A: i was just (dolan) ing.
 * This is the exact transcript that got it removed, I removed the names so the forum could stay on topic. Also if the main part of the meme is saying "fak u" and "u cunt" we shouldn't be endorsing it, it's not funny, hiding behind an emote is basically DGTS, and how long do thing it'll tak before A) Someone is offended, or B) New users think it's OK just to say "fak u" and "u cunt" to other users?
 * Profanity is profanity, no matter what you try to hide it behind. Yes, it is the internet and this stuff happens, but we have control over what is said in chat, and I'd prefer if behaviour like this keeps to its own part of the internet. 01:37, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * And "dolan speak" will just stop because we removed the emote? This kind of stuff happens all the time in chat, the situation above is a misunderstanding blown way out of proportion. The two users there have had a large history of good relations in the past, and common sense should be applied to assume that it was a joke. "User B" in "what does 'User B' have to do in relation to 'cunt'" is made assuming User A was talking about his ping/his irl name", not the user himself. "User B u cunt" is basically used in the same as "Drk u cunt" or "Damac u cunt" and are obviously joking - even if somebody was offended then the most they should do is just ask for an apology instead of blowing the situation way out of proportion and using it as a reason to ban an emote that does not relate to the reason he was offended (the emote being the actual dolan picture, not "u cunt" or "i was just dolan-ing"). Just because an image such as dolan may have nsfw background - that was not the reason it was added as an emote for use in chat. If everybody were to only use the dolan emote to buttsex uncle scrooge in front of chat, then maybe I would be in agreement with removing it. -- 01:51, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm kind of inclining with Giggle on this, mainly on the fact that removing the emote will not stop people dolan-talking. Tbh, it will just make it more confusing when two users are clearly joking with it since the non-exitant emote can confuse a mod, who can mistakenly put a false warning/kick/ban onto one of the users who are joking.-02:48, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * (reset indent) If a user is banned for saying "u cunt" towards another user, I don't think it's an incorrect ban. It's not funny, and if we're letting people get away with saying "fak u" (which I can tolerate due to its spelling) and "u cunt" (which I can't because it in no way looks like a joke) than it's just COD:DGTS. The "dolan-speak" is essentially profanity, there's no if, buts or maybes here. 03:08, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * And dolan is definitely something to be taken seriously - with all the "fuck you asshole (dolan)" and "fak u im goin to fkn kil u (dolan)" being thrown around in chat by everybody. If you're going to legitimately insult somebody, using (dolan) as an excuse would be ridiculous. Assuming people will misuse the dolan emote (if it can even be directly abused) is an example of bad faith towards new users. We're, as I said, mostly adults here - and all of us can certainly act like adults, regardless of age. Why let a few trolls ruin the fun for everybody, especially on a chat with an intelligent active community for a game made for 17+ year olds (and is notorious for all the "fucking asshole"s and "FUCK I DIED FUCK THIS SHIT" thrown around during multiplayer gameplay)? -- 03:25, September 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not all dolan speak is profanity. Plus as giggle said, even when the dolan emote was removed, nothing changed with the Dolan Speak. It continued and no one cared. But when the emote was added again, this suddenly became an issue? Qw3rty! (talk) 05:41, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have literally never seen someone use "u cunt (dolan)" in chat. 17:29, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whether or not it happened doesn't affect the fact calling someone a "cunt", joking or not, is not a good idea. 17:38, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite a few of our administrators say "u cunt" to each other jokingly all the time. If there's a concern for users thinking it's a good idea to say "u cunt" then we should probably be looking towards the users that say it more often, rather than throw the blame at something used for fun 99% of the time. -- 18:43, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * In all fairness, removing the Dolan emote because someone said "cunt" is sort of like the sale of glass bottles in case someone fills it with petrol and lobs it at the police. 18:29, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * That isn't true at all, the Dolan emote was used as an excuse and attempted justification of using cunt as a "joke". 20:00, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Here's a list of emotes I feel are the unused/uneeded ones:
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101007204024/pokemon/images/6/60/172.png
 * (pichu)
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty4s/images/2/2c/CreeperForEmote.jpg
 * (Creeper)
 * (ssssss)
 * http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty4s/images/a/a1/PedobearforEmote.jpg
 * (pedobear)
 * (bear)
 * (Smuff)
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty4s/images/0/0c/Pinkie_Super_Smile.png
 * (pinkiesmile)
 * http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty4s/images/e/e1/Pinkie_tongue.png
 * (pinkietongue)
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty4s/images/c/c1/Daisy.png
 * (daisy)
 * http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty4s/images/0/0a/Lily.png
 * (lily)
 * http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty4s/images/c/cf/Finn.png
 * (finn)
 * (finn the human)
 * (finnthehuman)
 * http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty4s/images/b/b3/Jake.png
 * (jake)
 * (jake the dog)
 * (jakethedog)
 * http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty4s/images/3/3e/Shoop.png
 * (shoop)
 * (shoop da woop)
 * (shoopdawoop)
 * (laser)
 * http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/rosepichu/images/5/56/Broken_Heart.png
 * (</3)
 * (heartbroken)
 * (broken heart)
 * http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/rosepichu/images/4/43/Creep.png
 * (spiderpman)
 * (jk)
 * (heh)
 * http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/rosepichu/images/c/ce/Patrick.gif
 * (patrick)
 * (push)
 * (weshould)
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/rosepichu/images/f/f2/60.PNG
 * (spiderman)
 * (60s)
 * http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/rosepichu/images/d/d3/Squidward.jpg
 * (squidward)
 * (killjoy)
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/tehkittycat/images/0/00/Blinkie_Emote_Small.png
 * (blinkie)
 * http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/tehkittycat/images/f/f0/Colgate_Emote_Small.png
 * (colgate)
 * http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/tehkittycat/images/7/74/Inkie_Emote_Small.png
 * (inkie)
 * http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/rosepichu/images/5/5a/Shinypichusprite.png
 * (shiny pichu)
 * (sp)
 * http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty4s/images/7/76/Chair.png
 * (chair)
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/tehkittycat/images/a/ab/I_have_no_ideaEmote.png
 * (noidea)
 * (medic)
 * (idontknow)
 * (idea)

That is all 00:16, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Heartbroken is used sometimes now. -- 00:19, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Very scantly. 00:19, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually use that one a good bit, but besides that the rest I agree upon. 00:21, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comment- Two things, what is the specific advantage of removi the emotes? also, what classifies as unused uncommon. 00:43, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

meh --KλT 02:13, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comment- There isn't a lot of harm keeping the emotes that we don't really use. But it is a pain to navigate through the emote page looking for an emote. I suggest we put them into categories like ponies, rage faces, blah blah blah so it's not so cluttered. 03:12, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I agree with what Jar said, the page needs to be organized. Kinda looks like a messy room, excuse the metaphor for lack of a better description. Also Dolan is just another emote it just an image, don't punish the emote, punish the user that trolls another using an emote in the wrong way. Geez.. 05:58, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Comment Per Jar, no need to remove the emotes, just categorizing them sounds like a better idea than removing emotes. Qw3rty! (talk) 05:41, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - There is no need to remove unused emotes, but at the same time there's not a big deal if they are removed. However emotes that are misused and promote unnecessary and policy-breaking behaviour should be removed, as has been done already. 12:02, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...and just because something can (arguably) be abused doesn't mean everyone abuses it. Frankly I don't even consider any recent "misuse" to be any emote's fault at all - because it's not. As I said above, removing the emotes won't stop any policing breaking if it were to happen. Hiding behind something like dolan if you're going to legitimately attack a user is probably one of the most ridiculous things somebody could do. That being said, personal attacks are still personal attacks - a small picture of a duck has nothing to do with what is said by a user. -- 16:46, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I completely agree with Callofduty4. There isn't much of a need to remove emoticons, and I feel only policy-breaking ones should be removed. Should an emoticon be "abused", it's the user's fault. Dolan isn't the only one that's been abused, by the way. DarkMetroid567Talk 01:05, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - It's recently come to my attention that the Dolan emote was deleted yesterday, without any consultation or notice. I'd like to know who deleted it, and why. 03:02, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's see it was only used for the following:, nonsense; somewhat, however comedic UTP Violations, and annoyance to some users. -- 03:48, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...but it was really only used the same way other emotes are used - such as (facehoof), (gs), (omg) (nokay) (smog), (feel), etc. It's a picture - if you find it offensive just because you don't like a picture of a poorly drawn duck, well, then... -- 04:07, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * So, because it was annoying to some users, it should have been removed? Also, who deleted it? 04:20, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * A hostile attitude over a relatively small situation is going to get you know where. 04:39, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * wat -- 04:49, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * He may be asking a question, but he's doing in a very hostile manner, and he could easily spend 5 minutes or less just looking at the history of the emotes which has both whom removed it and its reasoning. 12:39, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, Dolan wasn't removed for the emote itself being rude, but what it was being used for, since removing the emote behaviour has gotten better, you can say the "dolan-speak" is still there, and it is, but it's much more controlled and at a joking level, please stop thinking the emote was removed purely for the emote, the only reason this forum is up is after removing it everyone complained "if you're going to remove it you also need to remove X, Y and Z", which has caused this to be so blown out of proportion, and some of the responses are simply childish. 12:50, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * If it's not obvious, Sam removed it. However, I am curious as to the consensus mentioned in the edit summary as I don't know what this refers to, whether it was a logged discussion on-site or just a few PMs exchanged between a few people. 18:11, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone has saved logs, but it was said in main chat as opposed to select PMs. 18:34, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - There is no reason to delete unused emotes.

10:32, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree even if I'm neutral, but that was totally unnecessary. If you're going to put input, please don't try to mock the forum at the same time. 12:27, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Can we keep in mind that this is about possibly cleaning out the emote page as a whole, and this forum isn't about one single emote. Please bring specific emote discussion to MediaWiki talk:Emoticons. Please stop discussing the existence or non-existence of a certain controversial emote. It's too little to be arguing about, and it stands for nothing major either, negating any point of arguing over it. 19:54, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Unless anyone has any other emotes to add, we'll be removing all the emotes in my list sans (</3). 19:57, September 4, 2012 (UTC)