Forum:Banning pony images from being uploaded to the wiki

Well seeing at how many mlp images being uploaded everyday makes me want to facepalm.

We kinda got to remember that we're a Callofduty wikia not the w:c:mlp wikia. By all means I think we should take this like we took Forum:Eliminating the upload of Pimp My Gun Images. So the question here is- Why do we need PMG images? This is certainly not the Gun Wiki. making them upload them somewhere else where we don't have to tell the users what to license them with and so on. Remember the meme is just not worth it being uploaded to the callofduty wiki... New people does not come here for my little pony they come here to look up how to do things and get help. And maybe help others.

If you find some type of error or something just fix it, I'm getting worse and worse everyday.

Discussion
First of all, why are we voting so early? Besides, the section is so generously titled 'Discussion', it's best if at this stage we leave it as a 'discussion'. Anyways, the reasoning behind the similarities with the PMG and MLP pictures is clear, but slightly misunderstood. PMG pictures were banned on the simple reason - players put PMG pictures of weapons instead of a real-life image or an in-game version, or made an entirely new (and erroneously bad) weapon that is either fictional or has not appeared in the CoD universe. Why? As you said, we are not the Gun Wiki. MLP pictures differ from PMG reasoning, however. MLP pictures are put on this wiki not because it is an attempt to replace or change the articles or mainspace in any way, but simply because it is being used as either an avatar or used as pictures/memes on forums, which is acceptable, considering memes and pictures of all sorts are used as... something on forums.

It's also not really the Wiki's (not the Wiki's users, the Wiki as a whole) fault that people who happen to like MLP are on this wiki. I've seen Fallout, Battlefield, everything that is not CoD on the off-mainspace, but it's just a coincidence that the MLP is considerably larger in terms of usage and the general size and life of the memes.

I personally neither hate nor like MLP pictures, but considering I find no problems with the MLP pictures, I'm afraid in terms of voting, I'm going to have to oppose this. We aren't the MLP wiki, yes, but neither are we that restrictive in terms of what content is not on our mainspace. 08:22, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well the thing is that the wiki was made for cod users to be able to help other cod users, and I'm not talking about mainspace I'm talking about files. -- 08:30, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well then, based on that argument, why don't we just go all the way and ban all non-CoD relevant content from the wiki? 08:32, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I wanted to do that but everyone would just whine about it. MLP is just getting out of hand when it comes to the images and people can use imgur, imageshack or another wiki to display them -- 08:33, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * First of all Tsunami, PMG's were banned because of the maintenance issues. Users were uploading improperly named PMG images with no license. Secondly, we have reached a consensus in the CODference that clean-sweep no more images in blogs. We also reached a consensus that any WR topics that were previously submitted and have failed are deleted straight away. I hardly doubt the reasoning here is different. Pony images don't hurt on Userpages, however, the only way we can ban them is if they walk in the PMG Images' footsteps: Improper Naming and no Licensing. — 08:57, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * IIRC, the immediate deletion of WR topics that have failed has not reached a consensus, not even a voting progress, unless it was on CoDference, which is unlikely though as Bovell just made the WR topic about it. Also, it's not about a topic that only failed, it's deleted on sight if it has failed massively, with the opposition of that topic being huge. Take this for example. 12:13, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not "deleted on sight." Rather, the proposer would be directed to the PRP page, and the topic would simply be closed. I would also appreciate if continued discussion of this would move to its respective topic. 12:21, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I actually didn't literally mean it should be deleted, but closed. 12:52, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

When I saw the enormous amount of MLP images being uploaded to this wiki, I also thought about the PMGs. They are both large groups of the same kind of images being uploaded, without any use in the mainspace. I know a lot of meme images are being uploaded, but this meme is so incredibly big here that it might just be better putting some structure in them, by naming them File:MLP_, but still allowing new uploads, or by disallowing them at all, and renaming the remaining files to File:MLP_. 10:00, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

I will say this once: Y U NO LEIK PONAYS? But really, It is the people's choice to upload them, and at the end of the day,they can do what ever they want. I am actually beginning to like MLP. Besides, some of them are funny. I see no problem in uploading them. Reznov115 Talk  10:33, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

It's not an alarming thing, yet. Also, PMG images were being uploaded for a looong time, where as MLP goes with fashion. In the matter of time, I believe it's calmed down enough by the end of this year.


 * What comes with blog-related MLP madness, any blog comments relating only to ponies and not the blog can and will be deleted for off-topicness. If the blog itself has ponies, I'm sure the major blogs won't have almost anything MLP-related, as N7 and many others are moving away from bronyness, and the minor blogs of someone admiring ponies can be ignored, easy as that.

Also, if users like them, they are free to do (almost) anything with them, and to compare to PMGs, they are more varying. If a wave of BF3 files and stuff starts to take over the wiki later this year, should we ban them from being uploaded? Yes, when it comes a serious thing and them images flood the recently uploaded images. No, if it only stays as a common subject between users, and are a little more over occasionally uploaded.

tl;dr? In a nutshell: "let it be, at least for now". 12:09, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Per MLG. Ireland_flag.gif  CoaZ Talk Ireland_flag.gif   01:09, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

It's not like MLP images are used on articles. They're solely personal images. There's no reason to ban them, the reason we banned PMGs is because most of the PMG uploaders did not know how to name or license them properly. That's not a problem with any other personal images. 12:31, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

This proposal is far too late now to even be worth considering. 12:32, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Wat is this i don't even know... *facehoof*13:29, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * You forgot the h in as in "Wath" :3 14:21, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Imo we should get rid of all personal images. 16:54, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

lrn2use imgur people.-23:13, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

REQUEST OVERRULED, COURT DISMISSED. But in all seriousness, this would have been considered, like, a month ago.

This will never pass Megan. If you don't like pony pictures go to your little Runescape wiki or whatever it is you do. --   AJ.Bialke Talk! 10:47, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not on topic. -- 01:28, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

DBAD AJ. 10:54, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

If you got an image you want to use on the wiki, but it is too big, you might think using the wiki as host is the only solution to keeping the full size and still having it resized on your userpage. Currently this is indeed the case, but not if the following is added to the MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Wikia.css pages: .resizeimg img {width:inherit;height:inherit;} That would make putting  resize i.imgur.com/1337ABC.png to 50px wide, and automatically fixing the height that fits with it. If you define width and height, the image might be stretched (could be funny for userpages too or something, while this was not possible before) 09:24, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support
-- 07:04, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Pancake301 23:19, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

- CoD addict  ( talk ) 01:19, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

--Azuris( talk ) 02:10, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Pony images aren't relevant whatsoever to the wiki, and personally, I feel like if someone came here, saw all the most recently uploaded images were ponies, and everyone that they could see on the chat had a pony avatar, they would think we either don't take the wiki seriously, or it's a wiki made up of little kids. It seems very unprofessional. --With care and happiness,  Supermutantslayer450' You will know the truth... And the truth will set you free.. 02:15, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Poketape Talk 06:03, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * No wonder. It says on Wikipedia the new MLP show airs on "The Hub". BOofficialicon.jpg Poketape  Talk 17:11, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wait, so what does you not understanding the show have ANYTHING to do with this conversation? 19:03, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * ^ 20:00, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's just that I was wondering where this pony thing came from. I've never actually seen any pony things outside of this site, which is why I think they make this site's community look bad. BOofficialicon.jpg Poketape  Talk 04:02, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...the fuck? The only people who ever say the community looks bad are the fanboys on BF wiki with like 50 edits there. If you don't like it then it should be your problem, not mine. 18:57, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...the fuck? The only people who ever say the community looks bad are the fanboys on BF wiki with like 50 edits there. If you don't like it then it should be your problem, not mine. 18:57, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

07:57, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Per all. The next step is getting rid of personal images completely. 08:40, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * 10:03, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Using external image sites to host images instead of uploading them to the wiki. 10:05, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Having an uploaded image is more variable. 15:26, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

per all and per what I said in the discussion section. Also Support renaming current MLP images to File:MLP_ like with PMGs 09:05, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

--   AJ.Bialke Talk! 09:21, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Shotrocket6 (T/C/E) 10:27, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

12:19, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * 14:46, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

E.TALE Barracks Headquarters  16:04, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Give this guy a medal. 16:32, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Please provide a rational argument and do not swear. 13:25, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Collector1
 * Please sign your name with four tildes. BOofficialicon.jpg Poketape  Talk 23:37, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also please provide rational reasoning. "I hate it" isn't an acceptable reason to get rid of anything. 13:25, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

08:40, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose
Metlman Talk  09:29, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * So you oppose because you want everything gone or leave everything and get back all pmgs? -- 10:41, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fix your sig Metl. 01:55, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I'm just saying that with this kind of mindset, why not just ban all Non COD relevent imagery? DJ-2.jpg

Metlman Talk  09:37, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah why not? There are plenty of external image hosting sites. 09:59, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

--   AJ.Bialke Talk! 05:28, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * The hell? Not everyone is American so we don't have to all follow the amendments.AdvancedRookieSig2.png 07:36, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * You out of your mind?? If you think only Americans have freedom of expression, then you are a total {insert word that does not violate COD:DBAD here}!-- ThunderGun.png  AJ.Bialke Talk! Waffe.png  07:56, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * No I'm saying don't bring up laws which would only apply to one country. Talking about the first amendment is going to mean jack-all to a non American, simply talk about freedom of speech.AdvancedRookieSig2.png 08:03, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't even know what the amendments are... 08:40, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * What AR means, is that this is the internet. The internet is not the US, which means US rules or rules from any other country are not applicable here, unless made specifically. TheDocRichtofen  (  Talk  ) 08:43, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just think what people in China who don't have a first amendment think of you. Talking about freedom of expression, you should be ashamed of yourself! BOofficialicon.jpg Poketape  Talk 23:14, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey guys. Unless they changed where the servers are located sometime recently, they're in the United States and thus Wikia falls under United States law, which includes the amendments, if you really want to know. 01:11, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a moot point, as the right to free speech doesn't necessarily mean you can do whatever you want on an internet forum. Registering an account means you consented to have your "expression" limited by wikia rules and guidelines and, by extensions, the policies and actions of CODwiki and its administrators. --Scottie theNerd 09:55, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course, of course, but I felt the urge to post and get all legal up in this crib for a moment when someone implied that the laws of a website's country don't apply to users of that website from another country. 20:19, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * LOLOLOLOLOL I GOT FREEDOM OF SPEECH, LET'S SPAM CUS THE FIRST AMENDMENT SAYS I CAN LOLOLOLOL 16:55, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I'm playing a wild card here. If they want to upload their humor here, I say let them. I don't see what is wrong with MLP, so I say the pony avatars and images stay. And if you don't like them, why not just upload your own humor? This is a COD Wiki, but when not editing mainspace we need something else to do (Like on IRC it is like an episode of Assasin's Creed). I don't see what harm Pony images are doing, (As I said before) upload your own humor if you hate them. I mean, on IRC and talk pages, we can't just nag on about call of duty all the time. We need things like Ponies and Assasin's Creed to have something else to talk about. And I am sure that there are more bronys (Bronies?) on the wiki that will agree with me.
 * I (and others) have no problem with the pony images, I just don't see why they should be uploaded to the wiki instead of being externally hosted. 10:45, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * You are acting like it is terrible to upload an image to a site and then put the url here, instead of uploading it to the wiki and putting the filelink here. It is exactly as much work, no wait, at Imgur you don't have to license, so it is less work uploading it to imgur than uploading it here, and if you look at my most recent comment in the discussion section, you see a CSS code which makes it very easy to resize the image to any dimensions you want. Instead of Nubponies.png you just do . I don't know what you are complaining about, but it is easier to use imgur then than it is to use the wiki. And I can make the template automatically recognise if the parameter is used for aligning, resizing or even letting it be a thumbnail, exactly like with filelinks.
 * So yeah, it is easier to use imgur, so please stay realistic, like you said yourself. 14:24, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Why would I want to use a template when I can just upload them to the wiki? And don't use my argument against me, because it makes you look like you're out of arguments, which you probably are. 15:16, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * The template look pretty simple to use... just sayin' 15:23, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Per Callofduty4. Why go and make an account, get spammed down with spam emails, and upload it to Imgur or photobucket, when you can just upload directly to the wiki. Even at that, it will be a nightmare, because then talk/userpage will be bogged down with links, instead of neat pictures. Major_Rank_Marines.png  Reznov115 Talk Anim-tactical-nukeemblem.gif   15:45, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * You don't have to sign up to use imgur (or imageshack iirc), and they don't come up as links they come up as images... 15:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Look at my page if you wanna know how it looks when you do that. 15:57, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Or N7/Pictures :3 15:59, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * , per n7/raven 16:17, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Why upload them to the wiki when you can use the template? ;) --Azuris( talk ) 15:43, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * @cod4: First you said you want to keep it simple, just uploading it to the wiki. As I have explained, reaching the upload page, uploading it, then licensing it, and then using a filelink on the page is more difficult than reaching imgur.com, uploading it, and using the template to use it on the page. Also, using your argument against you doesn't say anything about my arguments, it just says your argument is so invalid that it could be used against you. 16:17, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Strong/Vehement Oppose — Per my reasoning above. 13:11, August 22, 2011 (UTC)



Cuz ponies r kewl 1358  (Talk)  15:23, August 22, 2011 (UTC) As you lack a personal image policy, it makes no sense to ban a specific type of images. 1358 (Talk)  15:29, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * /me pats Xd1358 on the head 15:32, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * don't do dat, he's on the evil side. Only pat supprottrz on the head pls, else they think it's gud to oopoas 16:17, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * We could make one. :3 --Azuris( talk ) 16:35, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

If I can remember, we banned PMGs because they weren't properly licensed and improperly named, so it was all scattered. But the pony pictures, we aren't uploading nearly half the PMGs on the wiki, plus we properly name so they're easy to find and organized. 16:49, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

17:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Psst, Smuff, we're not deleting them completely - we're moving them to an external site to be uploaded there. So thanks for unnecessarily insulting me and a lot of other people based on you not reading the forum. --Azuris( talk ) 08:21, August 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Per azuris. nub smuff. 08:32, August 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * I did read it, so uhhh... Yeah, you're welcome nubs. 14:24, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * mr smuff did you read COD:DBAD and COD:UTP? 19:05, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ja, and mr joeynub50 did you read COD:DGTS? 19:07, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ya I did mr smufnub but how is pointing someone who says all ponyhaters have small dicks to the UTP gaming the system? 19:20, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Shotrocket6 (T/C/E) 23:26, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
08:42, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

-Slopijoe.akaM14 user of death 09:08, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * *points at forum name* 14:23, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

--Scottie theNerd 13:59, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Metlman Talk  19:18, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, those images are hosted offsite on imgur. They are technically not "on wiki". 19:22, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * And if not many of them are uploaded anymore, why should we ban them from being uploaded? If we get these banned, why not ban all personal images at the same time? 21:38, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Odear, I fear I'll have to make a gallery template too then... :3 17:13, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I've created Template:R to duplicate filelinks, but then for externally hosted images. There is currently a problem with the Wikia caches that does not show the latest change to the CSS files (probably just the file bug that also affects images, the CSS file is also a file), so the images won't resize properly for now, but as soon as the caches update, the template should work as it should. 17:13, August 23, 2011 (UTC)