Forum:Disallowing recruiting blogs

Simply said, they are annoying. Some people make blogs as to recruit people to their clans and what now, and I don't think this wiki is the place for them at all, and propose we ban them, similar to wishlist blogs. 17:23, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion
I agree. They're kinda off topic. 17:25, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, I usually ignore them, but they're starting to annoy me a bit. 17:35, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Specially because they usually kill more grammar than a 3 year old <.<.-17:35, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Pardon my presumption, but I don't think that "I find them annoying" or "they have bad grammar" are valid reasons for getting rid of recruitment blogs. Sgt. S.S. 18:02, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes exactly, I see nothing wrong with them...
 * I assume you're being sarcastic, Reznov? 19:14, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * They are very off topic, have no purpose here and the reasons above "Annoying/Bad grammar". It is a very good idea to do away with these, and most of the people that do them never get anyone to join, AND they usally (the makers of these blogs) come here, do the blogs, and dont edit or do ANY thing else on this wiki. And there not even event blogs, (lets say I want to host a minny event, like a zombies event, and I want some people to play) these blogs arent even that, they are clan recruitment. 19:39, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * If they just want to blog, that's their choice. As has been stated multiple times before, we cannot start calling people out because they don't edit mainspace or forums or whatever. People who just read the articles aren't editing the wiki. Do you want to put restrictions on reading articles, too, since that follows your logic for removing recruitment blogs? Sgt. S.S. 09:27, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * What does reading articles have to do with making blogs? Also these blogs are close to useless advertisements. There is no place for these here. 15:28, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Couldn't agree more with Red on this one.-15:39, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, some people come here for that sole purpose. This wiki is for creating the best source of information for Call of Duty, not to help build clans. TheDocRichtofen (  Talk  ) 18:34, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * ^ this is right. 19:39, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * But how many people who come here to make a clan get more then three people to join? Ireland_flag.gif  CoaZ Talk Ireland_flag.gif  15:58, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

From what i've seen, Recruitment blogs mostly come from new user, with little to no mainspace edits. They coem here, attempt to recruit, and then eave. Thats not what the wikis about.
 * And thus they won't be aware of our policies and will continue to proceed making one anyways. 19:21, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * But if it passes, we can delete them, then warn them. 19:31, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * ^ 16:47, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Last time I checked the Wiki is a place to read articles, not to recruit clans with bad grammar. Of course I agree. DarkMetroid567 13:59, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

They only come from brand new users, and aren't that common anymore. I don't see any problem with them. CoaZ Talk  15:58, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, People who want to build clans should find a site that supports building clans. 16:47, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Look, they come from new users, then they learn not to. Besides, I haven't seen one in the time I have been at the wiki. I see nothing wrong with them. '''You can't get rid of things simply because you don't like them. '''
 * Not to be offensive, but you're a little hypocritical about the "You can't get rid of things simply because you don't like them" bit. 18:11, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * ^This. We can get rid  of things because they are a nuisance and are clogging up the news feed which could possibly allow bad edits to slip through and will distract users from the mainspace. And this is one of those things. TheDocRichtofen  (  Talk  ) 18:14, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

It's time for Sgt. S.S.'s rant, folks
This is a stupid idea. All the reasoning that has being brought up here is completely, 100%, moot. Let me take you through, and rebut, the reasoning presented here piece by piece:
 * The recruitment blogs are off-topic, so they shouldn't be allowed. No. "Off-topic" is something non-CoD related, e.g. "I'm holding a salsa party at my place to celebrate the launch of MLP:FiM season 3. Wanna come?" The blogs in question are recruiting clan members for CoD clans. It is CoD-related. Therefore, they are most certainly not off-topic.
 * They have bad grammar, they must be gotten rid of. By this logic, we should immediately block any user who makes an edit that doesn't have 100% perfect grammar. We kinda gotz 2 remembr tht this iz teh intrntz, ltz uf flkz dnt nrmly uze prpr grmmorz r spelingz onlyne.
 * I find the blogs annoying. I shouldn't even have to explain this one, but I will anyway. Just because you don't like something on the wiki - or, indeed, on the Internet - that does not mean you can get rid of it for that sole purpose.
 * They distract people from editing the mainspace and clog up the RC feed. Oh, wonderful, these two incredibly flawed arguments again. One, if the blogs are clogging up the RC, you can filter it to only show mainspace edits, or whatever you're looking for. Two, as it has been said multiple times before, if users choose to blog rather than edit the mainspace, that's their prerogative. We cannot make them do something they choose not to do.

This forum is poorly argued. The reasons provided here for removing these blogs simply aren't good enough. Please, either get some better reasoning, or let this forum die. (Steps off podium and wipes sweat off brow) Sgt. S.S. 20:38, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * On the point of clogging up the RC: I practically live there and see three or four a month. They aren't as big a deal as people make them out to be. 20:45, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is your friend. 20:48, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

And about your last point: No. Just... no. We can't tell people, "Nope, can't have your clan recruitment blogs here, so would you kindly piss off with them to another site?" (Or words to that effect.) It doesn't exactly form a welcoming image for new editors, does it? Honestly, if you find the blogs "annoying", there is only one sensible solution... just ignore them. Filter the RC, ignore the blogs, and don't go looking for solutions without problems. Sgt. S.S. 21:41, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Didn't something like this already happen, with MLG absolutley oppose it? You're being a hypocrite. Let people have their fun, you aren't forced to join. Slowrider7 20:58, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Weapon reviews and clan recruitment blogs are completely different. Majority of people enjoy both writing and reading review blogs, they can be useful and a good way to spend time. The recruitment blogs on the other hand are just people trying to get more people to their own out-wiki clan, which is advertising (not talking about money, but advertising nonetheless), and majority of people find them rather annoying.
 * I agree with the off-topicness and grammar being invalid arguments, but the last two are valid. As I said, majority of people find these blogs just annoying and useless. Sure people still may join these clans, but seriously, there are much better places to find members to your awesome CoD clan than this. And about the RC: I prefer seeing all blog comments that come through, because I want to make sure no bad comments get through on my watch. Sure these blogs don't come often, but when they do they go to the Hot Spots on Wiki Activity, due to majority of people commenting on them. And last thing: we can't make them do something they choose not to do, but we can make them not do what they choose to do. 21:24, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll quote you on this MLG, there is no limited space for blogs, or in this case forums. Why ban something that's infinite besides the fact that you just don't like it. Slowrider7 21:34, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I never said they're a waste of space or anything like that. There are other reasons why we're better off without them, and I'm not gonna repeat them. And then again, what happened to wishlist blogs? Hint. 21:38, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...what? Just because "the majority" find them annoying doesn't mean we should get rid of them. While we're at it, do you want to delete Call of Duty: Black Ops, because "the majority" of PS3 gamers found the online connection issues annoying?
 * Oh, and you said it yourself - the blogs don't come up often. If they're not a common problem, then what is the bloody problem? It's not like we're getting a new recruitment blog every minute. If they only come up occasionally, then choose to ignore them occasionally. Sgt. S.S. 21:43, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't say "a majority of people" MLG. I, for one, have never even seen one of these blogs, and I'm on this website every time my computer is on. I'm really beside SS on this whole matter. Slowrider7 21:46, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, delete Call of Duty: Black Ops because some people hate it. Or delete Pentagon Thief because it pisses everyone off. No. Let's keep mainspace out of this and focus on these blogs. And also, if some dude just vandalizes, we say "Would you kindly piss off with them to another site"? Or does the Blocked on their talk page give a welcoming image? It's non-constructive on both angles.
 * I admit I'm losing here, but there are holes in your arguments as well. And as I said, I don't want to filter RC from blog comments for good reasons. 21:52, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Uhh... blocking somebody pushes them out of the Wiki with just cause. It's different from them posting a blog (where AGF can be applied) and telling them that they are banned, then them getting banned. Slowrider7 22:01, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

MLG, as you've said, the blogs don't come around that often. I don't know why you're making such a big deal out of this if it isn't a constant problem. Also, it's no good trying to say "the majority of users find them annoying". The wiki doesn't operate by majority rules, as that would resemble a democracy. Sgt. S.S. 09:32, October 16, 2011 (UTC)