Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops

Gameplay
So... yeah, no-one replied last time lol. Should we have a Gameplay section instead of just linking to other places like computerandvideogames that tell you what Treyarch have said? Seems to be easier and something like that has been done with MW2. Just a thought. F Brushfire 21:14, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I think that that's kind of useless for the time being, since we have next to no info on the actual gameplay as of yet. S0ulEmbrace 21:36, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, we do. Or at the very least, we know what kind of things multiplayer will include. Though I guess that's not really complete gameplay changes, more like info on perks, killstreaks and things like that. F Brushfire 22:07, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe we should add the M40A3 to the possible list of weapons? This sniper was invented in 1966, so i think there's a good possibility it'll appear in Black ops.


 * Unless you can show us proof that it will be in the game, be it a video, image, whatever, we're not adding it to the list, though I do hope it makes an appearance. Chief z 23:19, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Who ever said it was though, they have to be seen in videos before they can be added to a page.67.224.57.88 23:11, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah sure, just talk about possible weapon appearances in my category. Besides, don't put anything in the possible weapons list unless you think you saw it in an image. It may show up but there's no point creating a "possible weapons" list when we don't even know too much about the game yet. F Brushfire 17:23, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

The one identified as "Either an MP5 or G3" could also be a HK33. It's really hard to tell cause the only thing you can see clearly is the ironsights.Apepa 18:23, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

AH-1? Looks more like an Mi-24A if you ask me...and a lot of speculation on the page. Let's narrow it down to what is actually known, shall we? Mechanical 42 05:39, May 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * That was my first thought. But I compared the canopies of the AH-1 and the Hind, and the Hind has a metal pillar running along the center of the fore top panel. The canopy in the trailer doesn't have it. Of course this could be an error on Treyarch's part (I still doubt it's a Cobra). However, we take what we get, and what we have is a cockpit that looks more like the Cobra's. Chief z 05:48, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

CoD7 starring Nikolai?
Just a theory, but Nikolai form the Modern Warfare series obviously has had war experience before the events in CoD4 and MW2 (especially as a pilot) and the fact that he is found in CoD4 locked alone in a heavily guarded house and had the information for the "cargoship operation" suggests that he was involved with black ops....I'm not sure, but I think this game will have Nikolai as a playable character...showing his start as a soldier in the vietnam war and progressing all the way up to the point he is found in CoD4, like a prequel from his POV, similar to the 'Ghost' mini-series.
 * Nikolai is Russian, and therefore wouldn't been involved in active combat during the Vietnam War if he were old enough to serve in the Soviet military. Darkman 4 23:43, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * It will not happen, A) Nikolai IS RUSSIAN B) Nikolai=IW COD:BO=Treyarch GenCain sig.jpg T  C  E   B 23:44, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're going by that thesis you'll think Captain Price is the SAS operative being held, and that Shepard is going to shoot you between the eyes. Smuff 16:26, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * If this is possible, it could be likely other Modern Warfare characters may make appearances. These could include young versions of high ranking officers like General Sheperd. It is also possible that McMillan may appear, as his appearance in Call of Duty 4 was set during the 1990's, though this is only a theory.
 * -Bakerboys019''' 6:45pm 7th May 2010
 * He would also have to be much older than he is in CoD4 and CoDMWF2 InFeCtEd32 22:21, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

NVG's?
i was wondering if nvg's were used in the Vietnam era.

does anybody knows this? Elberto 11:29, May 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * There was a night vision scope for the M16 if I recall correctly, but it wasn't nearly as powerful as NVGs today. Cpl. Wilding 12:24, May 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * It was called the Starlight scope. Basically it used the light from the moon to illuminate whatever it was you were looking at. But if there was no moon out, tough luck. Chief z 12:41, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * So there were only night vision scopes and no goggles right? Elberto 21:02, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Correct. The Starlight scope was too big and bulky to be used as a pair of goggles.Chief z 05:39, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Correct. The Starlight scope was too big and bulky to be used as a pair of goggles.Chief z 05:39, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Northern Ireland?
Well, the story will involve the SAS, maybe some other British Forces, and can be set up anywhere up to 2010. The idea of a setting during the Troubles in Ireland seems like a viable option. Although it would likely be contreversial, it could expose players to another view of warfare. Of course, I am refering to that of militia and insurgents.

It seems like a plausible and innovative idea. Plus, this conflict has never been explored in first person shooters. Give me your opinion, wether it be on if it is a good idea or if it will be in the game. Chriswashere 00:36, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

I myself am Northern Irish and to have the NI Troubles in a Call Of Duty game would be a brilliant idea, but as said above it would be very controversial and both sides of the wall might not take it too well (Nationalist Catholics, Unionist Protestants.) The in-game chat would be plauged with sectarianism. Elvis Thong 18:31, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

True. I'm just wondering, are there still heated arguments in NI after the troubles? I know the violence has stopped, thank God, but is it still something that sparks a sense of hatred? I'm from Boston, so I wouldn't know much, but it's always been something that interested me, seeing as I'm of Irish descent. Chriswashere 21:01, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

It's lowered but it's still there I live there, two weeks ago a car bomb went of outside MI5. There is yeah, you should see Belfast sometimes, theres a motorway going through the middle which acts like a wall to seperate the two. Same as Elvis, it would be brilliant but more contraversial than No Russian probs, and trust me, Elvis is right, the amount of Unionists and Nationalists on it would be silly, it would be begging for large arguments. Smuff 22:31, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Treyarch's "Going Green"
First Treyarch recycled CoD4's game engine for World at War, now they are recycling weapon skins they used in Quantum of Solace. The AUG seen in the Black Ops video looks exactly the same as the Raker A3 from QoS, which means that we might see more unoriginality from Treyarch soon. Automechtech1 18:14, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

It may just be a placeholder. Don't get your panties in a knot. Cpl. Wilding 18:16, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I mean IW used Pelaylo and Volker models countless times in MW2 so it's not a huge deal. 18:17, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Per Cpl. Wilding. And just because it looks similar, it doesn't mean that they are the same. I doubt Treyarch would ripoff a lot of weapons from a James Bond game. 18:20, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'm just saying, don't shoot the messenger. We can guess what weapons they will be using based on the fact that they are reusing weapon skins from previously made games. Weapons such as the M60, AUG, Dragunov, MP5, AR-15 variants, and more. Automechtech1 22:18, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * maybe...they guys that made the QoS weapons are also making the BO weapons?!?!??!?!?! Darkman 4 22:22, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Treyarch actually made QoS using the CoD4 game engine. That's why they may be using the same weapons skins, just retouched a bit. Automechtech1 22:37, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Your point being? We have no way of being able to guess at the weapons because ONE weapon seen in a pre-release trailer looks like another game that used a similar engine. It'd be horrible speculation at the best. Cpl. Wilding 22:24, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you find it hard to believe that a video game company would recycle previously used data in their future titles? It's been done before, and it certainly won't stop now. Considering the timeframe of Black Ops and the introduction of previously stated weapons, we can be assured at least some of those weapons will make an appearance. Automechtech1 02:48, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sally?
Where is this supposed pistol and where have you guys seen "Sally"? I've watched the trailer over and over and haven't seen the name. Cpl. Wilding 18:17, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hold on I'm uploading a photo... 18:21, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Here. And for some reason the quality degraded when I took a screen capture but if you tilt your head sideways you can make out the words 'Sally' on the pistol.



18:24, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

That looks like a M1911. Slowrider7 20:43, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

That is not a AH-1 Cobra cockpit for sure. Its the russian Mil-24 "Hind cockpit.

S*** me if im wrong, but I only see a l l (what looks like a v but probably is a y) Y and i see no S on it? Qw3rty! 00:00, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Still not seeing it. Doesn't look anything like Sally to me. Looks almost like a 9 and two ones. Cpl. Wilding 00:18, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

I'm on a high quality screen, turn your brightness up and it's there. 15:16, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

I have 1 15" Hannspree monitor up full brightness and I'm still not seeing it. Cpl. Wilding 16:16, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

I can barely make out 'ally' with full brightness. kudos to the guy who noticed this in the first place. Play2often, May 10,2010

I went into my fancy-shmancy photo editor and highlighted 'Sally'. (Picture enlarged 2x)



18:52, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Image description change
Upon closer look, the image with the "possilby a AH-1 Cobra", appears to be a Mi-24A, if you comprae it to real life photo.81.84.119.15 22:05, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Read the Gameplay section above. Chief z 22:38, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

If it's OK, I added template

CODVeteran May 9, 2010 16:05

Perks, cuz im tired of gun talk :\
Okay I'm really gettin tired of everyone obsessing over the guns from the TEASER trailer lol no offense but we still have a while to go.

Im more interested in the perks. As Treyarch has said Commando will not be returning, what do you suppose will return from Modern Warfare 2?

Lol and don't put Stopping Power, we all know that one! 21:07, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

This kind of discussion really belongs on a blog or a forum. The talk page for articles are usually for discussing about the page and how we can clean it up.

Random Man 0213 21:10, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Setting contradiction and general continuity fix needed
…and judging from weaponry and dates given in the trailer, it is set at any point between 1973 to 2010.

The extract above is from the introduction of the article. The year "1973" seems like it would be either a typing error, or completely misjudgement. Later in the Possible Settings section (shown below) it contradicts what the introduction says, by giving a far more general time frame of setting. Either more specific times would apparently need to be cited, or a more general period should be given.

It will be set in "recent history" (between World War II and the present day) and will feature missions in Cuba and South America.

Attack Rhino 13:10, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, what is with all of the weapons have a (definite) shown at the end of each line? Is it not most of the purpose of this wiki to show true and factual information about the games, and everything included in them? So why would the weapons in the game need to be tagged as definite, as it would lead me to think one would also show weapons, that are only defined by rumours, however strong based they might be (with of course no official sources).


 * It just means the weapon can be clearly identified in official source material. Look at the G3/MP5 for example: we can't tell which one it is, if it even is either of the two, so we just put "possible" next to it. Besides, knowing these guys, we'd never allow rumors in the list; it's against policy. Oh God, that whole fiasco we had with MW2 last year... Chief z 15:11, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I could see a point though. Remember in MW2 where the G3 was confirmed but pulled from the game. It could be possible that one gun could be pulled from here, but that is just a 'maybe' situation. Ferrariguy1000 00:56, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I could see a point though. Remember in MW2 where the G3 was confirmed but pulled from the game. It could be possible that one gun could be pulled from here, but that is just a 'maybe' situation. Ferrariguy1000 00:56, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Lets Be Fair
In the Logos section we have the xbox and ps3 pre order box. what about pc? Warpanda13 21:20, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

The PC box is same as the PS3, and it is just art with no logos or anything. Slowrider7 01:38, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Uploaded the PC Box Art HYBRID XERO 02:33, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Possible info on a Mission
I found this site while looking at CoD Black Ops on the internet. It is part of USA Today, so it could be official.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/05/first-impressions-call-of-duty-black-ops/1

It mentions a scoped crossbow. Do you think this is true?

Ferrariguy1000 20:33, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

This is interesting, nice find. I wouldn't recommend making an actual article about this though.   4oh!4   File Not Found. 20:43, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Probably we could put it in "Posible Settings". Not sure if we should make a scoped crossbow in the weapons or not though.

EDIT: oh, someone beat me.

Ferrariguy1000 20:46, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm, seems solid. 20:48, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

It talks about a SR-71 mission. Ferrariguy1000 20:54, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Disect. 20:58, May 11, 2010 (UTC)



Yeah, I don't think we should add anymore info about this, until we have more to go by. 20:56, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

It says it takes place in the Ural Mountains guiding a group of soldiers of an unknown faction (most likely US or UK) past Russian soldiers to infiltrate a Russian Facility. Judging by pictures, it could be a satelite station or something.

It also says the name of the mission is "WMD" (Possibly "Weapon of Mass Destruction" which could mean it involves nuclear weapons) Ferrariguy1000 21:36, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Pretty interesting, especially the Blackbird mission. The part that caught my eye was the alternate ammo: would it be available to all weapons, or just the crossbow? I'd love to pack some HE rounds with a sniper. Anywho, it seems legit to me (there's no reason to lie here), but I'd be cautious about adding the info. Chief z 23:37, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Picture
I was reading an article about the level that was featured and they had this picture in the article.

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/game-hunters/2010/05/10/black-opsx-large.jpg

I think the gun he is holding to our left is the one that says Sally. 22:23, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yea i certianly see an lly so im guessing it is Sally

Yeah, I can just barely make out Sally. 1080p resolution ftw. Chief z 23:46, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

What about the guns on his back. I'm not a gun expert but I think they got to be an M16, M4 Carbine or CAR 15. 00:01, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Those are a M4 Carbine and the CAR-15, by the flash hiders/muzzles. Slowrider7 00:44, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yea, the one on the right is a CAR-15 (the CAR-15 has a long muzzle/flash hider thingy) and the one on the left is another AR-15 variant (definate carbine, could be an M4 or a colt carbine/Model 653). Ferrariguy1000 00:57, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

After looking at some pictures, the left one is DEFINATELY a AR-15. I dont know about the CAR-15. Slowrider7 01:01, May 12, 2010 (UTC)