Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2/Archive 9

Single and Multiplayer confirmed weapons
Is it possible to add a note to each weapon on whether or not it is confirmed in SP or MP? Oblongman7 02:21, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Also, there's more Titles(from the Flag Runner vid):
 * Suppressor
 * Silent Veteran
 * Surgical
 * The Specialist
 * BOOM! Headshot.
 * Armed and Dangerous
 * My name is...

Supressed shotgun
Did you here it on this vid?!!N-Ice!!!--Slacky!!! 12:48, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Well I'll be damned, that's a silenced shotgun.--IIID Empire 12:56, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Hand cannon
Holy crap, did you see that thing! It's as big as the guy's head! Is it a raging bull magnum?--Slacky!!! 18:46, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

No, but close. Its a Colt Anaconda (IW calls it .44 magnum, but we identified the model. OmgHAX! 20:12, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Okay,Thanks for finding that out!--Slacky!!! 07:55, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Juggernaut?
I have yet to see any sign of Juggernaut, think it's safe to assume it has either been removed, or that it has no HUD element? Phfor 20:15, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Hahahaha, I have seen the little thing that pops up below the crosshairs when you shoot someone with juggernaut in one of the new videos, so don't get your hopes high, dude. Juggernaut aint that bad... --CallofDuty4 20:26, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Which video? Phfor 20:34, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr4jfOXWjuA&feature=channel_page

at 1:01 definitely Painkiller, not Juggernaut. Morihaus 17:56, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Juggernaut has been removed from the perk lists.

ShadowRider52

Wow
8 Archives and the game isn't even out yet. It's amazing how big MW2's made this wiki WouldYouKindly 20:17, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Would you have it any other way!!??--Slacky!!! 07:56, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Perk
Cold-Blooded? in archive 8 last message about the scrambler perk, he missed the one named 'cold blooded', or has that been discussed already?   Critchell   Sniper  20:48, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Shield Discrepancy
Under the equipment menu there's an item called 'Blast Shield.' But in the ScrewAttack video, There's a riot shield in the Primary weapons slot. So are we seeing two different items, or a glitch? OmgHAX! 20:49, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Umm... link? Imrlybord7 20:57, September 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Twitter pic of equipment menu Screwattack video, pause at 0:33 OmgHAX! 21:01, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

That vid has an M82 with Heartbeat Sensor. Imrlybord7 21:07, September 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * o_0 anyways, I think the shield we're used to seeing is the riot shield. Only problem is I already created a 'blast shield' article before I saw the video and now I can't move it. OmgHAX! 21:12, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Found the blast shield. It protects from explosions but it has a small window and you lose the mini-map.OmgHAX! 23:23, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Bling
Is bling going to be both a camo and an attachment? 21:39, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

I think it's actually the perk that lets you use two attachments. WouldYouKindly 21:40, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's just an attachment. Darkman 4 21:41, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

So should it be removed from the camouflage list? Where was the proof that it was a camo in the first place? 21:46, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * That was just speculation. Darkman 4 21:51, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

I remember someone saying they had seen a picture of it somewhere. They said it was somesort of flame design. No link to the picture. 21:55, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Bling is a perk that lets you use two attachments. WTF are you people talking about??? Imrlybord7 22:29, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

That was me, I found a picture on the IW forums on the Flag Runner video. There was an AUG HBAR with flame camo on the ground, and that's what they though Bling meant.OmgHAX! 22:31, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

I think imrylord7s right, 'cause in the afgan vid, the players gun has bling, and with that a R.D. sight and an extended barrrel mag.--Slacky!!! 08:22, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Skorpion
Someone should ad the skorpion ti the list for me because I saw it in the CTF video and I can't edit this page.

Where did you see it? 22:04, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Post a link OmgHAX! 22:26, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

No, you probably didn't, but if you really did, post a link to the vid and say when and where it shows up. Imrlybord7 22:29, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

On a vid, it looked like the skorpion, but all it just was is the MP5k. It was switching between classes fast.Ferrariguy1000 23:08, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Year I just watched that vid again anf realised it was a MP5k.

Interesting info on level cap and pro perks
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=951944&topic=51393382 Enjoy. Imrlybord7 22:30, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Good stuff, thanks Imrlybord. WouldYouKindly 03:06, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Some Speculation
I think I got a grip of what IW is doing its pretty neat.

This is only speculation but:

Removed all Perk Tier 1 from CoD4- All of them are either equipment/secondary or attachments. Masterkeys and M203s will most likely take up a your attachment and your secondary to be balanced. For those missing Nadex3/Bando Scavenger is its replacement, it will let you restock your ammo types off enemies so you don't have to hunt quite as hard for more and it discourages camping to a degree. Claymores and C4 were the classified.

Primary Weapons- Now we know why there are so many AR's confirmed its to round out primary along with SR's and LMG's. I'm not quite sure if smg's will be in this group unless its split between smg/mp's. Smgs would be like MP5 and P90 in CoD4 while the mp's will act more like the skorpian and have terrible range to keep them balance for secondaries and akimbo. Things that take up a perk 1 from last game may just take up an attachment now (IE Grips) or a attach and secondary (IE Keys Tubes). Shield also fit here to make its users less of a threat long range.

Secondary Weapons-They most likely axed overkill from the looks of this category. Shotguns sound ridiculous at first but keep in mind if you did good with them last game you were one of the few. Rather than make them buffed to be worth a primary they kept them the same and mad them a secondary, quite genius IMO. Masterkeys will most likely fill here and offer quicker switching at the cost of range mobility and mag size.

Launchers are here and will most likely be buffed slightly. Why? Before you could have 2 weapons and rockets or double tubes but now it counts as a weapon on its own. Rocket will no longer fly off their paths because you forfeit so much more now and lock-ons to make sure you don't miss. Tubes like the M79 will likely have better accuracy reload and mobility than the attached tubes.

Machine pistols I'm not quite sure about. They seem to be for shorter ranges like the skorpian minus the insane power point blank for balance. Their accuracy/recoil will also be pretty bad from my guess to make akimbo only beatsly at shotgun ranges and praying at best long ranges and horrible reload.

Ah pistols they seem to be the butt monkey this time round huh? For anyone who cared to use them last time round most likely adored the hell out of them but may be slightly less used now. Their ups will include better range,accuracy, power and switch time than mp's with only having better range than shoguns. In addition the akimbo attachment will benefit them by increased accuracy and reload over mp's but only slightly. There is also tactical knife which hasn't been elaborated on yet, but my guess is rapid fire knifing. Because of switch time pistols will most likely be the go to weapon for use with the shield as it also has far greater range than the other picks(and better ammo count than a launcher.

What do you all think? Oni Seraph 22:50, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

I think your on to something   Critchell   Sniper  22:55, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Hurray, it's Oni! /manhug SMGs have already been confirmed as primaries and are separate from machine pistols. And attachments will never take up perk slots now. Imrlybord7 23:10, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

lol >.> Anyways then I guess I was right about the attachments. One thing I want to know is does double attachments get you both blinged prim/sec weapons or is it one ore the other? I'm thinking both but w/e. Also Prestige will be character customization in this just you watch :3 Oni Seraph 23:22, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Bling is just for primary weapons, but I think that the Pro version will probably be 3 attachments or 2 on primary and 2 on secondary. Imrlybord7 23:34, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Not sure about that. It might be just 2 for secondary. The Pro's seem to be alternates not powered ups, but time will tell. Oni Seraph 23:37, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but pros are always better than originals and include the advantages of the original. There is no way that it would just be 2 attachments on secondary. Imrlybord7 00:46, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Meh time will tell >_____> Oni Seraph 00:53, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

This has already been confirmed Oni. I'm not speculating. Imrlybord7 01:56, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Source? Pls and Thx :3 Oni Seraph 02:36, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Robert Bowling mentioned something along those lines in one of the trillions of interviews from the event, but also, just think about it. The pro versions of the perk take a long time to get and if they only had the pro effect, which we know for multiple perks, they would be worse than the original (climbing faster vs infinite sprint, extra damage on vehicles vs extra damage on players). If I can find the source I'll post it, but either way it's obvious that this is how it will be. Imrlybord7 04:09, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

I haven't had time to see all the videos, my internet is slower than 56k. I'm still not convinced though >.> Oni Seraph 04:35, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

So you actually think that for getting 1000 kills with Stopping Power people will be "rewarded" by having the perk only work against vehicles? Or that faster reloads turn into aiming down the sights faster? Or that infinite sprint turns into faster climbing over stuff? I'm sorry, but that's just stupid. I'll keep looking for proof anyway. Imrlybord7 04:55, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Also, why would the "Pro" version of Hardline only benefit death streaks? That would be a noob version. Obviously it will work for both kill and death streaks. Imrlybord7 05:02, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

I haven't even seen the video where they talk about pro perks. I've only heard about hardline's. What vehicles would you even shoot at, SP worked against the helicopter. A 1000 kill isn't much for a new perk. It really does sound somewhat logical but also possibly broken. I won't get upset either way I just want some proof :/ Oni Seraph 05:10, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

SP will not affect the helis or AC-130 without the pro version. And keep in mind that the pro upgrades aren't even that good. If it changed the perk so that it was JUST the upgrade and removed the original benefit it would make it significantly worse. Imrlybord7 05:26, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

If you can hit an AC-130 with bullets I'll Shit Brix. I was thinking UAV Heli/Pave Low. I guess they aren't really overpowered I just wanna believe it'll be easier deciding between perks. I hope Juggernaut makes it with the Pro version reducing explosive damage :3 Oni Seraph 05:34, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

only nine Assault rifles
here at 1:23: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/press-event-modern-warfare/56086 It shows only 9 assault rifles, (under one's opinion) what is most likely to be removed from the AR list?

(NOTE:this doesn't mean all the weapons may be removed, it is only a closed beta.) Ferrariguy1000 23:02, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Nothing is being removed. All of the perk menus had next to nothing (not even 6 perks per slot), so obviously they just didn't want to show how much of everything there is. Imrlybord7 23:11, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

oh, ok. I was just suspicious. Ferrariguy1000 23:24, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

weapon pages
I know that the rules say no weapon pages without detailed information on each weapon from the game. But the create-a-class demo shows some weapon stats for some of the weapons they show, and have been seen in gameplay. So do we really have to wait until the game comes out, or can we get started on them? I know we can amend the M4 and USP articles based on the new stats given. OmgHAX! 03:02, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

The game's still in beta and the stats can easily change drastically in the two months between now and release. I'd say we should wait. WouldYouKindly 03:09, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * IMO, I think we can start making pages on the MW2 weapons around middle to late October, depending on how much more info is revealed. Ideally, I'd like it so that we'd have pages for the weapons before the game comes out so that all editors need to do is add gameplay tactics and stats to the gun pages, not have to make a page themselves. Darkman 4 04:07, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Basically, I want it so that the "history" section is already complete, we have the usual sections (such as tactics) on the page and a basic weapon info box in place so that all people need to do is plug in the weapons stats. Hell, if someone is feeling daring, they can add pictures of the weapons from various footage so that the pages have a picture or two before someone like me takes pictures of the weapons in game. Darkman 4 04:11, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah I agree, but it'd be pointless to do it now since we know very little about the weapons in-game, but October would be a good time. If we do make them around that time you or one of the other admins would probably have to put a protect on the page though so random IPs cant come in and add random crap to the pages (ala the Sanderson incident) WouldYouKindly 04:12, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's too early to start the individual weapon pages. I was tinkering with the idea of doing it right now (because of all the info that has been recently released), but I think we need to wait a little longer. My plan is to let the users make the basic pages, then I'll (or another admin) protect them. When the time is right, I'll announce that MW2 weapon pages can be created as an announcement.


 * The Sanderson incident was done by a registered user. That's why I want to wait a little longer, because being registered doesn't automatically mean that you're a good editor. Darkman 4 04:16, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Those stats are all lies. Stat bars = absolute shit. Imrlybord7 04:06, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

2 Questions
FMJ not to be rude but does anyone know what it is supposed to do? Full Metal Jacketed rounds are standard ammunition for every firearm on the planet with Jacketed Soft/Hollow Points being the other mostly used. Saying a gun comes with FMJ is like saying a gun comes with bullets... Which leads me to believe possible bando?

Also this look like a G36 to you?

http://gamescom.gamespot.com/image_viewer.html?sid=6215650&tag=images;img;3&img=3

http://gamescom.gamespot.com/image_viewer.html?sid=6215650&tag=images;img;2&img=2

Looks similar to me :/ Oni Seraph 03:37, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Well, FMJ was in the multiplayer reveal trailer as an attachment so we put it up there. As for the pics, I would say that's not a G36 but hey, I could be wrong. 03:43, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that's the UMP 45. If you look when the guy with that gun kills someone, the UMP 45 icon appears as soon as he gets the kill. Darkman 4 04:04, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

That's a UMP, and Oni, when did you go blind? Imrlybord7 04:07, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

In my defense they do look similar, but that completely slipped my mind. Excuse me while I get vaccinated for dementia ;-; Oni Seraph 04:15, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

"Rapid fire"?
I was looking through the attachments and I have not heard of one called "Rapid Fire" (and I've been following MW2 news pretty closely), can someone confirm a source please? Thanks. WouldYouKindly 20:28, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

I think somebody confused it with Double Tap. I'll check the edit history. Chief z 22:23, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

rapid fire was confirmed in the same place as akimbo. It was in the alst archive. Here's the proof.. OmgHAX! 23:48, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

M4 Shotgun attachment
i accidentally posted this on the home page discussion, if your interested see there.   Critchell   Sniper  22:37, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Oh lawd, is dat some M200???
[http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad322/otherlfc/Picture1-1.png Speaks for itself. XD] Scratch that one off the wishlist, boys. OmgHAX! 00:01, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

YES. 00:08, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

edit: nevermind what I just said, but it's still sexy. Ferrariguy1000 00:11, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

We now got one confirmed bolt action. whatever you think about futureweapons, you have to admit its a pretty nice setup, especially since its built to be supressable. OmgHAX! 00:54, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

oh my, cheytac intervention. I was just watched the episode of futureweapons and I thought to myself "I totally wish that gun was in the game." thank you IW. Chief z 01:38, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Should the L85 be listed as highly probable?
Based on the pick up/kill log icon of the L86 LSW, I would say that the L85 is no longer 100% definite, but since it was mentioned in OXM, should we say it is highly probable? I think it is. Imrlybord7 00:21, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, they could have confused the two. Same platform and just 1 number off, so they could have guessed wrong if they saw it at a glance. OmgHAX! 00:23, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Huge ass interview
http://www.giantbomb.com/modern-warfare-2-interview/17-1374/ You can retrieve throwing knives from the body of the guy you killed with it. Imrlybord7 01:18, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Single shot sniper? WHAT COULD IT MEAN??? Only one I know of is M99... must do some research.OmgHAX! 02:10, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

402 misspeaks a lot. I would say single shot just means bolt action. Read the section below this. :) Imrlybord7 02:12, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Hold the phone... he said single shot AND bolt action. OmgHAX! 23:14, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

How difficult is it to understand the word "misspeaks?" Imrlybord7 17:56, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

402 responded to me personally on the IW forums
http://forums.infinityward.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=100902 Imrlybord7 02:08, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

you are right, IW agree with YOU. That showed the silly forum people who's boss.   Critchell   Sniper  15:06, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Camos confirmed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpBiPOhIHeM&feature=channel Imrlybord7 02:50, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

A slight change to the weapon list
I want to change the list so that everything is in terms of multiplayer, i.e. Stun x2, Flash x2, Smoke x1, remove the Miscellaneous section. This won't really prevent people from learning about the singleplayer, and it will be more useful for people who want to know about the multiplayer. And let's be honest, multiplayer is the main attraction. Imrlybord7 04:11, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

A change I would like to make is some of the weapons. For instance, the <> has been altered to <>. Also, the <>(SA-80) has been changed to <>

ShadowRider52 11:38, 18 September 2009

SCAR-L should be removed from list
The gun on the main screen is the M4A1 if you watch Highrise gameplay on gametrailers it matches Ferretboy54 17:28, September 18,2009 (UTC)

You can clearly see that this weapon is indeed SCAR-L (curved mag and characteristic butt) Morihaus 17:38, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

first of all you can put scar stock on m4 and second why doest it look exactly like the m4 in create a class? Even if it isnt an m4 it prolly scar h why would they put h and L that would be stupid. 69.78.131.50 20:49, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

That's not stupid, they fire two different calibers and therefore are quite different. It's definitley not a SCAR-H, because the magazine is curved, while the H's mag is square. 21:04, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Guys, it's a Bushmaster ACR.--GentlemanBilly

It's a SCAR-L, and if you don't think so, go look at pictures of guns for a few hours and then realize how blind and/or stupid you are. Thanks. Imrlybord7 21:56, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_2/Archive_8#suspected_SCAR-L.3F_.28read_before_commenting_.22it.27s_a_ACR.22.29 This link is in archive 8, shows how I suspected the SCAR-L. The stock is definatly not a ACR. Ferrariguy1000 22:43, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Watch the first minute of the flag runner video again, everyone. Please and try to tell me that isnt a SCAR-L/SCAR-H. The upper receiver matches as do the lower receiver, stock, barrel, the sights, magazines, and rail system. So stop argueing about it. 20:31, September 18, 2009


 * Whoever just posted that ^ clearly has no idea WTF is going on. The SCAR-H was confirmed about 36 years ago; people are debating if the SCAR-L is the gun shown in the MP menu art. Here's a hint... it is. It's a SCAR with a curved mag, so there is no other gun on the planet that it could be other than the SCAR-L. Imrlybord7 02:32, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Imbylord, have you ever seen a ACR before? Also, in the multiplayer vid the gun the guy is originally carrying is a SCAR with a curved magazine--GentlemanBilly


 * ITSASCARL.jpg

The gun in the menu is not a ACR, it is a SCAR-L. The gun in the picture has the bolt release on the side of the receiver, like the SCAR-L; the ACR's bolt release is in the trigger guard. The ACR also has a knob for its adjustable gas system that protrudes above the barrel which is absent from the gun in the menu. Also below the Eotech you can see the opening where the charging handle is- the ACR's charging handle is further forward.

OK, my point in making that post was does the gun in the flag runner video have any characteristics in common with the one in the pic, besides the stock. Compare the receivers, barell, rails, and the magazine doesnt count because the M4, ACR, and SCAR-L use standard STANAG 5.56 magazines. The gun is a M4 variant or ACR, but definitly not a SCAR-L because H&K almost always uses a forward charging handle on their firearms. You people need to learn to search beyond wikipedia and google images.The SCAR, ACR, and M4 all use the same bolt design but not the same gas system. I have searched the my own firearm reference books to confirm that the ACR uses parts from the G36, M4, and the SCAR. Because bushmast modifies existing weapons but doesnt develop any thing new. And have you all considered that a caliber change on a SCAR system takes less than five minutes. So it could be a choice in the menu what caliber you want to use in MP to begin with. 00:36, September 19, 2009

Wow. Really? Two major idiocies committed there. One, that is in no way, shape, or form anything resembling an M4, and two, the SCAR is made by FN, not HK. Also, in the Flag Runner video, the SCAR-H clearly has a straight mag. http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5690/scarstraightmag.jpg Imrlybord7 06:03, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Imrlybord, you beat me to telling him that the SCAR is FN. I do have to respect someone who knows his guns.--GentlemanBilly

It's 'cause it only has 20 rounds of 7.62 compared to 30 of 5.56. And what happened to the sights? They were originally rear aperture and front barleycorn, now they're kinda like H&K sights. :( 21:27, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Iron Sights
I think I might be in charge of uploading iron sights of the guns (uploading from gameplay from YouTube). The problem is IDK what types of files the wiki will let me upload (I've tryed JNG, PNG, and GIF and nothing works); can anyone spot me???   Maj.Gage   Talk . 19:25, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that happens with me. You need to go to "Picture" option in the picture here: and upload the files there and insert them into the article. --CallofDuty4 19:39, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

It say "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again." every time I try to upload a file. What could be wrong???   Maj.Gage   Talk . 20:53, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, first you need to make sure of what file type that image is. Then on the upload place, use the same image type (be sure about if it's in caps or not). Teh lolz! Bionicle+Lotr  21:34, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

martyrdom
I have seen a gameplay video and the player kills a guy and you can see the throw back symbol on the screen. I think the enemy player had martyrdom. video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wh5KrVv3t8 its at 2:25. this vid also shows some footage of the .50 cal with a heartbeat sensor. Can I ask, when are we going to make the weapon pages from MW2? I have quite a few images of the weapons that we can use.

We're not making weapon pages until we get solid info on how they perform in game. (So probably, not until it comes out.) When we do start making them, feel free to add your images where appropriate. 19:44, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

ok thanks --BiGf00t 19:51, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

M1014 confirmed?
I stumbled across this video of Spec-ops(I think), and in the first eight or so seconds, the player is firing what seems to be an m1014. Iron sights match, and it seems to firing semi-automatically. It seems to share a reload animation with the SPAS-12 though, which kind of makes me doubt it as I don't know how old this footage is. Link is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO4tv43uDac Bald Eagle Brennan 18:22, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

The M1014 shotgun's icon has been mistakenly used for the SPAS-12 in the E3 demo level of Modern Warfare 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud3BI07qF0E at 2:55 and at the end M1014 confirmed Morihaus 19:25, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

yes you are right, the M1014 is in MW2 20:38, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

The video also shows in-game footage of the M14 EBR.74.137.134.152 21:46, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

New Ghost pic
http://twitpic.com/i89o4 Looks awesome.   Maj.Gage   Talk . 22:50, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Slowrider7: Wow, theyre all fighting themselves about that link. "Wikipedia is gay" etc... Also, wasnt Gaz shot point blank in the temple? Also x2: Ghost would look SWEEEEEEEET with red goggles.


 * People have survived gunshot wounds to the head, but I doubt a .50 caliber Desert Eagle would be very survivable. He'd have to have some serious brain damage or something. OmgHAX! 16:11, September 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Is it me, or it the gun Ghost is getting hit with is a Thompson? PhantBat 18:06, September 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd say it's an AK, but I do see a resemblance to the Thompson 18:15, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Can't wait
I watched the Cliffhanger level for about the 8th time today. I can't WAIT for this, man! I definetly know what I'm gonna do on my playthroughs: Pick up every weapon and give it a go. With so many weapons (compared to MW1 and WaW) I think I'll have a good run from it. 22:54, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Same here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--195.93.21.42 18:37, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

OXM Modern Warfare 2
After reading the article I found out some awesome things:


 * Roach has to quailfy for Task Force 141 in the first level of the game.


 * That the Special Forces enemies, the Juggernaut can only be killed by a large caliber weapon like a Barrett or a Deagle.


 * That at the beginng of the Slums level, you must dodge a bullet shot from Faust or it will kill you and you have to restart the level.

That all for know, folks!--GentlemanBilly

Dodge a bullet? Why do I get the feeling that the MW franchise is beginning to reference AND replicate moments from every decent action film? StolenRequiem 11:18, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

When Infinity Ward said it would be Hollywood realistic, I guess they meant it.--GentlemanBilly

I don't think they literally mean dodge bullets, just dodge gunfire. I heard Faust opens fire on Roach's car when he realizes they're watching him OmgHAX! 12:21, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Oops, I meant gunfire.--GentlemanBilly

Which magazine where you reading again?   Maj.Gage   Talk . 14:23, September 20, 2009 (UTC) OXM (Official Xbox Magazine) DevilWarrior112 15:39, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

ANOTHER ARCHIVE!!!
Lord this thing is HUGE!!! Looks like were gonna hit 10 archives at least in the next few months!!!--Slacky!!! 11:25, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I know this talk page is huge! I wonder if people where this excited when cod4 and cod5 came out. 14:37, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe its because its continuing a story as apose to the same front, different stories.--195.93.21.42 18:28, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Stuff what I THINK the "Bling" will be.
Like above, it will be two attachments but I belive it takes this stuff to get it:

200+ Headshots (Its still called camo.) A certain level. (I dont know how high MW2 will go ((I would freaking shit myself if its 100)) but around 60 would be good. Both attatchments unlocked Take up your first perk (No bandoiler or Marathon...)

and thats it. Pretty big chunk of the game. But Im still gonna love my baby (The SCAR) with a Tasco RDS and a Supressor. Slowrider7 14:54, September 20, 2009 (UTC)Slowrider7


 * Hmm.. seeing as it is a perk, I doubt the 200+ Headshot thing. Though IW is changing things, so it is possible. It'd be awesome to have 2 attachments 72.195.147.117 15:02, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Bling is just a standard perk. I am fairly certain that it starts out unlocked, and we know that it takes up the Perk 1 slot. Bandolier will most likely not be back since there is Scavenger. MW2 will have a level cap of 70. And of course you will need to have both of the attachments unlocked to use them. I'm sorry to say that that was an incredibly stupid theory, slowrider. Imrlybord7 17:47, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Random Bling Info/Question: will bling effect both primary and secondary weapons? i found a vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdfQkPQbRmU&NR=1&feature=fvwp) at around 2:20 he says "you can put two attachments on your gun you can do that to your primary, to your secondary" does this mean you can do both or that you can choose between the two.


 * I *THINK* that Bling Pro will let you have two attachments on both guns. Imrlybord7 21:45, September 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * After watching that video, I am fairly certain that Bling Pro will allow you to put two attachments on both guns. I say that because the perk description just says that it allows for 2 attachments on your primary, but in the video he clearly says that you can do that on your primary and secondary. But then again, 402 has been known to misspeak... Imrlybord7 21:49, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Slowrider: Like I said bord, me and my nerdy friends just though that would balance it out.

Stop changing the weapon list without permission
We are not adding manufacturer names to the guns because that is not how they are labeled in-game, not to mention that many guns are made by multiple companies. And stop moving the HBAR to the LMG category. Until further proof is provided, it is an AR. Imrlybord7 17:50, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this is getting silly. The MW2 page was semi-protected to prevent stuff like this from happening. Darkman 4 18:50, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Weapons from MW1
Remeber what Robert Bowling said? "Every gun that came back from Modern Warfare 1 into Modern Wafare 2, was completely redone,". In my opinion, that is a HORRIBLE decision (what is the point if a direct sequel to a FPS that has the same guns, but they look entierly different?). I'm also afraid that IW will get a little carried away with all the guns 'n stuff, and get unrealistic.   Maj.Gage   Talk . 22:40, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I think that appearance wise they'll be very similar to the original weapons. I think 402 was talking mainly about performance, and that could still be near the same. Just because they redid them doesn't mean they'll be completely different. Kind of like uninstalling and reinstalling a program. 22:49, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

The gun models in CoD4 were atrocious for the most part. I am glad they are being redone. Imrlybord7 00:08, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Who knows, most likely some of the guns are multiplayer exclusive (unless they did away with that policy). But I think IW did a fine job of balancing Modern Warfare between realistic and cinematic. I'm glad it's not as realistic as say, Operation: Flashpoint, but doesn't step beyond the world of believable as far as something like the Metal Gear Solid series. I'm sure they'll handle this one just as well, if not better. Chief z 02:04, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

L85?
Now before you say it's an L86, Look at the kill icon on the bottom left of this pic: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14281102/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2/images/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-20090916101317638.html?page=mediaFull

I compared it with the L86 LSW, as it is posted on the article, and there are a few differences I found: 1. There's no bipod, or anything under the barrel for that matter 2. No foregrip on the stock (would aftgrip be a more precise term?) 3. The handguard doesn't "balloon" out at the end when it reaches the barrel

I'm not too familiar with the L8X series of rifles, so I can't be too sure. But the differences are there. They did say L85 in the OXM article. What do you guys think? (Now don't say I'm blind, it's too small, or some shit, because I just got a new monitor last night, Full HD 1080p) Chief z 23:46, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

It looks like an L85, but that is actually the kill icon for the L86 LSW. That's the whole reason I removed the L85, our only in-game evidence was the icon, but the L86, which has actually been seen, has the same icon. Imrlybord7 00:07, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Well, thanks for the clarification. Chief z 01:50, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Modern Warfare 2 Special Edition Xbox 360
http://gear.ign.com/articles/102/1025215p1.html

Like I said a few archives ago, it's following Halo 3 in a business sense. And now this. Here's the breakdown:
 * Three game editions, now four.
 * Crazy bonus stuff (NVGs and Spartan helmet)
 * Special Edition console with MW2 graphics
 * 250GB Harddrive
 * Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Normal Edition)
 * Two wireless black controllers (Not the MadCatz ones)
 * Headset

Available for pre-order now and retails at $399. Chief z 08:23, September 21, 2009 (UTC) What made me laugh is that there is this console's commercial on X360 Spotlight. What!? Bartekko

Archive
Since I'm no longer a sysop can someone archive this please?-- 18:36, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

CTF 11.10.09
The person who wrote this, is problably from britan, europe, ect. and must not know that in American dates they switch the month and day around E.G. England 10.11.09= america 11.10.09.--Slacky!!! 19:06, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed.   Maj.Gage   Talk . 19:11, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Barret .50cal F00tage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FTqFcnhHuw neat vid, DO NOT SUB THE GUY, he claims to have a beta code for MW2 Beta, but we all know that there is no PUBLIC beta. Also, if you listen closely to the vid, you here them jibber-jabber about guns 'n gameplay. :)

UPDATE: PP200 Akimbo, and another vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O40jzInNfQw

  Maj.Gage   Talk . 19:28, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Future weapons (PURELY SPECULATION)
Seems to me that a lot of COD fans are into future weapons and made requests to IW that got through. The ones we got so far are: The ACR, Intervention, TAR-21, TDI Vector, AA12, XM312, and barret, with a possible Arctic Warfare sniper. I'd guess based on what we ahve now, that any more entries (if any) would be: M110 aka SR-25, M6 PSD / PDW as an SMG like the AKS-74u, MP7, Mk. 46, possibly even a Metal Storm pistol as a bizarre, unique machine pistol. OmgHAX! 20:24, September 21, 2009 (UTC)