Forum:MG08/15 weapon classification

So I was browsing throught the MG08/15's article, and I noticed that it was classified as a Light Machine Gun instead of a Heavy Machine Gun, where the MG08/15 is clearly an HMG in real life and is named and aesthetically represented accordingly in game. Just wanted to create this page so we can have a vote on whether or not it should be reclassified into the HMG category. PwnY x SN1P3R (talk) 22:35, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
For reasons stated above. PwnY x SN1P3R (talk) 22:35, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Comment - If it's classified as an LMG in the game, then that's how it goes. I don't know myself, I haven't played the map yet (PC master race lolololol) but it being an HMG in real life is irrelevant. 22:38, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * In-game it doesn't get a definitive weapon class like CaC does. However due to its traits it fits the LMG weapon classification. 22:39, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * So, should we also consider reclassifying the Death Machine too, using the reasoning above? PwnY x SN1P3R (talk) 22:44, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * It can only be acquired though a killstreak, and BOII campaigns CaC lists it as "Special", as such it falls under Special weapons. 23:18, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Comment - I'm neither supporting nor against Sam's arguments, but if no in game classification is given, I believe IRL information should be used to substitute it to avoid confusion. PwnY x SN1P3R (talk) 22:49, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Comment- Sam, the M1919 and MG42 are listed as Heavy Machine Guns in World at War but in Campaign, Multi-player, and Zombies you can freely move around with them as well. Doesn't make them LMGs. Kylet357 (talk) 22:56, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * In World at War they're classified simply as "Machine Gun", not "Heavy Machine Gun". 23:17, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the CaC description labels it as a Heavy Machine Gun Kylet357 (talk) 23:38, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * They are generally referred to "Machine Guns", with some of them being heavy machine guns. However, we cannot confirm whether or not MG08/15 is a heavy machine gun or not, and IRL info doesn't matter. 00:11, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Acccording to World at War's classification: "Light machine guns come equipped with better accuracy, but smaller ammo count. While less mobile and accurate, heavy machine guns have a large ammo count and a faster rate of fire. Both are very dangerous at medium to long range.". With this form of classification than all the MGs in Zombies mode should be reclassified as HMGs. In the context of Call of Dutys after World at War, if it's mobile around the map, it's a Light Machine Gun, if it's a static weapon it's a Heavy Machine Gun. 10:59, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * MG42 and Browning M1919 are clearly stated to be heavy machine guns, so any Zombies mode MG could be light or heavy unless specified in the game. However, considering there hasn't been heavy machine guns since WaW, and on the contrary there has been light machine guns ever since, we can safely call MG08/15 an LMG rather than assume something more unlikely. 11:42, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * I see your point MLG, but how is the MG08 being an HMG more "unlikely"? Just because HMGs have not been present since WaW does not mean HMGs will not make an appearance in the future. PwnY x SN1P3R (talk) 02:48, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * In fairness it does seem unlikely for a HMG to reappear on one zombie map in the (what is beleieved to be) final DLC. 08:42, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Comment- I'd wait for the coding of the content to be dissected when it releases on PC. If it is classified in the game's files as an LMG, it will stay that way. 04:12, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * According to the guys on the DK forums, zombie files from past games make no mention of weapon class. However, they haven't even looked into the files for this game yet so we don't really now. Kylet357 (talk) 04:17, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Game files wouldn't mention it. 08:42, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * They actually do Sam. If you go on the DK forums and find the thread I made, you'll see that one of the guys shows a picture of weapon class being mentioned in the code 03:54, September 29, 2013 (UTC)~
 * And one of the guys say the class in the files is occasionally indifferent from the class in-game. So for all we know the MG08/15 could be marked as a shotgun. I would try to find out since I do have it on PC, but I'm a noob and don't know how to access most of the unknown file types. 12:22, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Sam here. Disregarding IRL info, all we have to go off of is its characteristics, and since there are no HMGs post-WaW, and the MG08 most closely matches the traits of other LMGs, it should probably be classified as an LMG. Joe Copp 00:06, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

In the latest Call of Duty games the portable machine guns are classified as LMGs (except the Death Machine and Minigun, which are specials), and they do not have a different class called "Heavy Machine Gun". Even if in real life it is a HMG, in BO2 it is classified as a LMG, so we should keep it like this (and note that it's not the only weapon in the CoD series to be in a different class than its real life counterpart). --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 12:14, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Light Machine Guns, Medium Machine Guns, General Purpose Machine Guns, Heavy Machine Guns... hell, just use the in-game classification. 12:59, September 29, 2013 (UTC)