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I suggest we split the M9 apart into M9 and M9A1. They look like 2 different guns, and the M9A1 seems to be a variant of the M9. RisingSun2013 (talk) 22:12, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Keep

Keep — There's no major difference between the M9 and M9A1 to warrant it having a separate page. Per the naming policy "If a weapon looks the same, functions the same, but is named differently, merge." and "If a weapon is named the same, functions the same, but looks differently, merge.".

Crazy sam10 • Talk

03:03, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

it isnt named the same and doesnt function the same. its m9a1.  plus it has different statistics, besides it looking somewhat different. we do this with weapons such as the m16 variants. the m16a1, m16a4 and the original m16 are all seperated, even though they function very similarly, arguably moreso than these 2 guns (the m9 and m9a1). RisingSun2013 (talk) 02:09, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

edit: noticed what kylet said. even so, this would mean the m16s should technically be combined into one article. so either way, i can see your point a little now but still. RisingSun2013 (talk) 02:15, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

How do they function differently? Both are semi-automatic pistols. The only time the M9A1 acts any different to the M9 is in Extinction mode.

Crazy sam10 • Talk

03:02, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

I think he is referring to the rate of fire and damage of the M9A1 to that of the normal M9. http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/276/1/2/bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 ^Talk 03:49, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

With that reasoning, we'd have to split up all the .44 Magnums also.

Crazy sam10 • Talk

03:55, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Which is completely unreasonable. And as such is why the article should remain as is. However, why the Thompson was split with the M1927, I don't understand. Sort of a mistake, in my opinion. I mean, obviously a weapon featured in different games will have slightly different stats throughout them, so that it can be balanced with other weapons within the game. http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/276/1/2/bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 ^Talk 04:21, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

They were split because the M1927 functioned differently (a fire rate increase when the trigger is held down), look differently (being based on the 1921 model Thompson SMG, where as all previous games had the M1A1 model, so the look almost nothing alike), and obviously the different name. The stats of a weapon don't have much to do with whether they should be split. As Sam said, the .44 Magnum has had very different stats with every game it's been in. Same thing for the G36C and the AK-47.  Kylet357 · talk  09:31, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

So, because of a completely different name, the rof, and aesthetics, it was split? And, by the rof, you mean it fires faster the longer you fire, much like how the HAMR lowers its rof the longer you fire, right? http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/276/1/2/bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 ^Talk 15:09, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not completely sure, I'd have to ask the people on Den Kirson if they could help out with that. But yeah, it's supposedly something like that. And that's how we decide if it should split or not. It didn't look the same, it wasn't named the same, and didn't function the same way either. So it was decided on a split.  Kylet357 · talk  19:51, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

@sam the 44 magnums have the same name. the m9 and m9a1 have two different names. RisingSun2013 (talk) 02:14, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

As MLG pointed out, a different name isn't much of an argument. As in that case, we'd have to split all of the Vector variants. Adding A1 to the name doesn't do much.  Kylet357 · talk  00:32, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

i know but he was comparing the 44 magnums to these. im just saying thats not the best comparison considering these have different names, whether its a small difference or not. RisingSun2013 (talk) 22:29, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Keep — As Sam said, there's no major difference to warrant a split (including the Extinction variant). If that were the case, we should split the Colt M1911 from World at War from the rest of the M1911 page, just because the name is different and it has a different function in zombies when it's upgraded. Besides, the campaign and multiplayer have the weapon as a semi-auto handgun. The difference in name and appearance is negligible because it's not a major change. It's nothing like the KSG situation. Yes, the guns looked the same (for the most part at least), and had similar names, but the function of them were completely different. One was a weapon that fired multiple, range limited, shot-ammo/pellets and the other fired one medium-ranged slug shot. Now, what's the difference with the M9 and M9A1? Okay, the addition of two characters into the name isn't much of big deal. It has a flashlight now, again not a big deal as the CoD4 USP.45 had an unusable underbarrel attachment in CoD 4 but the MW2 & 3 versions didn't. A different magazine size isn't really a point either, as the M1911, Thompson, etc., have had different mag sizes as well. And there's no difference in function, as they're both Semi-Automatic.  Kylet357 · talk  05:41, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Keep — I get your point now. Wasn't considering it like that. http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/276/1/2/bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 ^Talk 05:46, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Keep — They function the same. Same reasoning as having Vector, Vector K10 and Vector CRB merged together. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:12, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Keep — Per the reasons above. Argorrath _{おしゃべり}20:29, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Keep —  Per all.  Capt. Miller · talk 10:33, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Keep — It should stay as it is. They function pretty identical and look very similar despite the other having a slightly different name. If FAMAS and Famas are merged then should these. -- laagone ^(talk)  02:34, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

Keep — The weapons don't have enough differences to be separated, and most of its traits, including the name are almost identical the the standard M9. http://i.imgur.com/4XBy83R.pngAntiScootaTwo^talk  03:22, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

i agree now, but can you close the discussion/archive it? i dont know if im aloud to. RisingSun2013 (talk) 03:25, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Split/Merge

Split-As nominator. RisingSun2013 (talk) 22:12, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

ok, i see your points now. uh...am i aloud to close this? RisingSun2013 (talk) 03:20, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

On a side note, is anyone able to close an AFD or forum if this happens? Or is it only Admin who can? http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/276/1/2/bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 ^Talk 03:24, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

exactly my question. RisingSun2013 (talk) 03:26, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

I would just like to know if other users can, for future reference. http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/276/1/2/bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 ^Talk 03:36, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

as would i. RisingSun2013 (talk) 03:37, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Split- Per nominator. This is exactly like the KSG and KSG-12 case. http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/276/1/2/bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 ^Talk 01:33, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

well, the ksg and ksg 12 are technically the same weapon, just two different names, but these are two different weapons as a whole. RisingSun2013 (talk) 01:35, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

It should be noted that the KSG and KSG-12 have a major difference in how they operate however. While both being the same version of gun in real life, in game one is buckshot and the other is slug. Making them drastically different, unlike the M9 and M9A1.

Crazy sam10 • Talk

03:05, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

I'm noting that the M9A1 is 3-round burst in Extinction, and that trait is not shared with the normal M9. I don't know if this is major enough, but if the ammo type made a split between the KSG and KSG12, then I believe this is a large enough reason to split. http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/276/1/2/bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 ^Talk 03:23, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Comments/Questions

Comment — There's something that I wonder, however. Like RisingSun2013 said, the M9A1 is another variant of the M9. They both function the same indeed, but there are other pages with the same fact that are actually separate (such as the M60 and M60E4). --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:20, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Comment — also as i mentioned, the m16s are a good example too. they have little to no difference, unlike these 2 guns. the m16s only real differences are that they have different names. they look practically the same. i dont see how those can have seperate pages when these 2 guns are a similar case but even more different. RisingSun2013 (talk) 22:33, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

There is 3 M16-esque weaponry. The M16A4 is defined from the other 2 as a more modern weapon with a small change in aesthetics and stats. The M16A1 had a decent amount distinguishing traits in the DS game, also by your logic, the Colt M16A1 should be seperated from the M16A1 entirely. Argorrath _{おしゃべり}23:07, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

the m9a1 is a modernized version of the M9[1], just as the m16a4 is. between the m9 and m9a1 theres still more difference between than the m16 and m16a4. i can see keeping the m16a1 seperate but i dont see how the m16a4 is different enough in that case from the m16 in black ops. as far as the m16a1 vs the colt m16a1, i dont know about those. RisingSun2013 (talk) 23:18, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Rising Sun, I understand you're standing your ground for your position. But we've pointed out every fact as to why the M9A1 should stay where it is. Different stats do not matter. There are several weapons that appear across several games and all have different stats (such as the STG-44 for example).  Kylet357 · talk  03:00, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

ok, but now im comparing this to how the m16s are seperate. i see it as if these arent seperated the m16s should be merged. at this point i see your points and am thinking the m16s should be merged, for the reasons stated here. RisingSun2013 (talk) 03:17, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Closed - Everyone is now voting for keep. Articles will not be split. -- laagone ^(talk)  14:58, April 9, 2014 (UTC)