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Recently, I was wondering if the ACR 6.8 should have it's own page. I was thinking this due to the fact that 3 AUG's have their own page so shouldn't the ACR 6.8? Please discuss below. Desert Eagle menu icon MW2Tr0529TalkTAR-21 15:25, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

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Per the basis of FN FAL and FAL being the same article. Smuff[citation provided] 15:34, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

I actually wonder why is it so that FAL/FN FAL and FAMAS/Famas are in the same articles, yet AUG/AUG HBAR/AUG H3 (was it that?) and M16/M16A2/M16A4 each have their own. I think we should separate all of them, as if the gun is different by its name and/or functioning and handling between multiple games, they are, or at least should be, considered different weapons. - Spetsnaz Logo MW2 MLGISNOT4ME [Talk] - 16:27, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

^You read my mind Desert Eagle menu icon MW2Tr0529TalkTAR-21

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the policy for weapon naming(s) was stated and discussed here. One of the things mentioned is that "if they are both titled and aesthetically designed differently from each other, they're to be treated as separate weapons", so I suppose that is the rationale for leaving the M14 page together, despite the fact that its appearance so drastically varies between Call of Duty 4 and Black Ops. That seems, to me at least, to denote that the two FALs are separate (because of name and appearance), and the AUGs are separate (different names and reasonably different physically, as well as the HBAR version being game-categorized into an entirely different weapon category).
However, for the FAMASes (FAMAS/Famas), the M16s (M16/M16A1/M16A4), the M4 Carbines (M4A1 Carbine being the other), the M1 Carbines (M1/M1A1), the MP5s (MP5/MP5k), and the M60s (the M60E4 being the other), it's a bit more unclear. All of the various iterations of the weapons have different names, but the visual differences are not as glaringly obvious or stylistic. Although, unless we're expanding this to a blanket naming discussion, I think I'll just stop at that.
As for the ACRs, I would think that, per the quoted statement, they would be different, as they seem to be both visually different, and are named differently. ·Icepacks·<말해> 23:32, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
Just for the FAMAS/Famas; in MW2 it's 3-round-burst weapon with low rate of fire and looks different from the Blops version, which is full auto with high ROF. I think they are separate just like FAL and FN FAL. - Spetsnaz Logo MW2 MLGISNOT4ME [Talk] - 12:42, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
Well, the firemode is the only major difference between the two FAMASes. I mean, there are visual differences, but to me they're not much different than say, the World at War G43 and the CoD:FH G43. But whether they're significant enough to fit the conditions isn't something just for me to decide... :P. ·Icepacks·<말해> 14:38, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

It's intended to be a reboot of the ACR from MW3. It doesn't need its own page.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  20:50, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

You mean MW2? - Spetsnaz Logo MW2 MLGISNOT4ME [Talk] - 21:41, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
No he meant MW3, the ACR 6.8 appears in MW3, therefore it is from MW3. And per Cod4. The Wikia Contributor T | C | E | Q15:08, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
I mean that "reboot of the ACR from MW3", if the ACR in MW3 is ACR 6.8, it's then a reboot of ACR from MW2. - Spetsnaz Logo MW2 MLGISNOT4ME [Talk] - 16:02, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't it just called the ACR in early screen shots? Personal Conqueror of all Zombies Ireland flagCoaZTalkPersonal Conqueror of all Zombies Ireland flag 15:13, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

We seperated pages before (Like the Famas and FAMAS) and it didn't work. Smuff[citation provided] 13:48, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

How they didn't? - Spetsnaz Logo MW2 MLGISNOT4ME [Talk] - 14:26, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the 6.8 needs a seperate page. 6.8 just denotes the calibre, the Remington 6.8mm Special Purpose Round. The ACR in real life is designed to be able to change parts to be able to use different calibres. It's be like calling all NATO weapons that fire 5.56mm the M4A1 5.56 or the SCAR 7.62
Just saying.~marcus129 (Sorry for no signature)
Well, here all weapons are and must be considered fictional, and not think about their real life counterparts. In that purpose, if it's different enough by its name and characteristics, it's a different weapon. - Spetsnaz Logo MW2 MLGISNOT4ME [Talk] - 07:27, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

The ACR in MW2 is made by Bushmaster, in MW3 it is made by Remington. Plus the name. They should be seperate articles.--Goodboy12 17:00, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

IRL doesn't matter in page creation. Personal Conqueror of all Zombies Ireland flagCoaZTalkPersonal Conqueror of all Zombies Ireland flag 03:08, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Can we vote? Tr0529 I'm a nub 23:22, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'd just like to say that the AUG has three different pages because the AUG from BO and the AUG HBAR are two different types of weapons. Personal Conqueror of all Zombies Ireland flagCoaZTalkPersonal Conqueror of all Zombies Ireland flag 03:08, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Same with the ACR and the ACR 6.8. They're different weapons. Tr0529 I'm a nub 12:50, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
The point to note with the AUG is that one is an assault rifle while other is a light machine gun. That's a significant difference as far as Call of Duty mechanics are concerned. --Scottie theNerd 14:45, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

While MW2's ACR and MW3's ACR are based on weapons developed by different companies, they're essentially the same weapon. The only difference between them is which round their chambered for, and aesthetic things like the iron sights and casing. That doesn't seem like much difference to me, especially since the ACR's selling point is to be able to adapt to different rounds, stocks, barrels, attachments, etc. If the two guns changed in class, then yes, I'd say give them separate articles, but in this case, they're still assault rifles. In this case, I don't feel they should be separated. Lil diriz 77 (Talk) 21:36, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Again, IRL info doesn't matter here. - Spetsnaz Logo MW2 MLGISNOT4ME [Talk] - 21:59, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
I was only referencing the IRL info, I wasn't using it as the basis of my argument. The 5.56 and 6.8 round chambered ACRs aren't just IRL, they're in-game. MW2 uses 5.56, MW3 uses 6.8. I referenced that info to support the point that changing what round the gun is chambered for doesn't change it into a different type of gun in this case; its still classified as an assault rifle in both games. Lil diriz 77 (Talk) 22:30, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't have a source that the MW2 ACR is chambered for 5.56, but I'm just going on what I've heard from other people, around the wiki, on forums, etc. Lil diriz 77 (Talk) 22:35, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

VotingEdit

Let's start, shall we. Tr0529 I'm a nub 23:49, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

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Pictogram voting support Support — -As nominator Tr0529 I'm a nub 23:49, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

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  1. Pictogram voting oppose Oppose — Per the reasons stated above. Hip-techboy Christmas
Support or Opose? Tr0529 I'm a nub 23:53, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

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