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A new idea has come to me. I was thinking maybe we could add menu icons for weapon variants as a separate article like we have for camouflages. I've made one to show as an example HBRa3/Variant Menu Icons. I think this would be a great addition to the wiki. Tell me what you think in the discussion. RooTm3q.png Soap Shadow · Talk  19:01, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

i think they should just be added to the weapons variant image pages. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2020 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 19:02, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

As Rising said, couldn't they be merged with the variants subpages?
And frankly, FPS images of the guns are enough IMO. Menu icons aren't such useful. VaultTecLogo.png Rain - Talk VaultTecLogo.png 19:03, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

It'd still be a nice addition. I don't know if we need an entire page for them, though. Omnipedia Logo No Text BO3 exacri 19:05, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
i agree, i think they should be included, just not in their own separate page from the weapon variant pages. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2020 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 19:06, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
I agree that we could have them on the same page, with a separate heading. And I think they would be useful images because, they actually show the side view of the weapon. RooTm3q.png Soap Shadow · Talk  19:08, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
Since they change the appearance of the gun, why don't we add the variants to the camouflage pages? Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 00:11, March 22, 2015 (UTC) Misread what Exacri said, never mind Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 00:13, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

"20:30, 21 March 2015 Crazy sam10 (Talk | contribs) deleted page HBRa3/Variant Menu Icons (Unnecessary: There's no need for the menu icons as well. We only need the first person images. The menu icons are nothing more than recolours for the most part, only the first person images are of any real note)"
A bit what I thought. VaultTecLogo.png Rain - Talk VaultTecLogo.png 12:18, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we should vote then. RooTm3q.png Soap Shadow · Talk  12:21, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
Thing is most variants change weapon model not always seen in FPS, not just color. Kilo 141 Beta menu icon MW Ultimate94ninja talk · contribs 12:41, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
Not "most", mainly Elite variants. The only ones I know that have their model altered are AE4 variants, the IMR Boar Strike, the Bal-27 .223, Obsidian Steed and Inferno and the ASM1 Speakesy. Yet, aside from the IMR that has its stock changed, most of the changes are pretty obvious in FPS view, like the Obsidan Steed's longer barrel. VaultTecLogo.png Rain - Talk VaultTecLogo.png 12:44, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
While I was doing the variant images for the first person views, I only came across two or three weapons that had no visual differences compared to their stock variant. On top of that, one of those literally had no visual differences from its stock counterpart in the Create-a-Class view. Some of the weapons with altered stocks can be kinda difficult to see, but I'm not sure if an entire new set of images is worth the effort to show this. 4XBy83R.pngAntiScootaTwotalk  15:13, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
We have no need for the menu icons. They serve no real benefit aside from being slightly recoloured versions of the normal menu icon. Only the First Person models have any real detail that makes them stand out enough to warrant their own gallery. But this kind of detail is lacked on a menu icon. And if we allow this, then we may as well start making hundreds of galleries for things like reloading and cocking. 14:16, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

As of now, I'm leaning slightly towards opposing this, but I could help out with the images if it were to pass. I noticed that the images uploaded previously weren't the best quality, but I could probably get images with similar quality to the current menu icons I made for the weapon pages. 4XBy83R.pngAntiScootaTwotalk  15:13, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

ok, maybe we dont need images of animations for the weapon variants, but i think we should have the menu icons, by the least. some of them look different than the actual in-game models, so i think theyre notable enough to be put somewhere at least; whether it be in the variants page or a new page specifically for these. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2020 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 16:35, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

I do not see any menu icon that somehow looks different to the variant seen in game. The in game first person images are more detailed than the menu icons, and the menu icons don't really offer any real difference. It's similar to a forum we had a few months back about having images of weapons with attachment combos, while they may seem nice to have, they're completely unneeded. At the end of the day, the menu icons are little more than mildly edited version of the normal menu icons, and all the little tiny aesthetic changes that are of any real note (such as ATLAS logos, writing, etc.) are only seen on the first person models, not the menu icons. 17:38, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

I think this is a cool idea, and instead of having tiny pages for each, we could have 3 sub pages for each gun, so there could be a Elite Hbra3 page, Profesional Hbra3 page, and an enlisted Hbra3 page (example). We could have a table with stat changes and comparisons of stats between the varient and the normal gun. Diffrent pictures would be difficult, but I would help commit :) (Agree) Potatoes1237 (talk) 04:51, April 24, 2015 (UTC)Potatoes1237

We already have a stat comparison table on every main weapon page. Putting information over 3 pages seems even more counter-productive than the original idea. Especially when the same thing can be achieved by page headers. 08:25, April 24, 2015 (UTC)

I don't see a point in adding the Menu Icons, especially since most of the changes to weapons can be fairly easily seen in first person. And, as Sam said below, we don't need 101 images of a gun from 101 angles. Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 06:40, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Just to clarify a bit, here's a small mockup of what these images would look like cropped:

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As others have said, these views of the weapons hardly show anything more than the first person images show. 4XBy83R.pngAntiScootaTwotalk  14:09, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Vote 1Edit

Voting on this section is closed. Please refer to comments

Option 1Edit

We add menu icons for the variants onto the variants page.

  1. Agreed to add them, with a separate heading. They would be useful, since we have a full body view of the weapon rather simply FPS images that don't show all visual changes of the weapon. Kilo 141 Beta menu icon MW Ultimate94ninja talk · contribs 12:30, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
  2. ^, to be honest if we don't have menu icons, then I personally see no point in FPS either, as FPS images also do the same thing. RooTm3q.png Soap Shadow · Talk  12:46, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
    How does that make any sense? A first person view and a menu icon are two completely different images. By that logic we should get rid of every image because we don't have some other image. 14:11, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
  3. I say they would do some good, seeing as you can take a different view and see the weapon from a second perspective, and allowing to spot different details, in addition, why would having them be an issue, it just goes with the expansion of the wiki that we see on a regular basis, if we are going to be thorough, then i say we need the Menu icons. Personal LazarouDave image LazarouDave  14:17, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
    We don't need 101 images of the same gun at at 101 angles. Expansion doesn't mean having to fill he place up with needless things; hence why Call of Duty Wiki:Notability was created. The menu icons hardly offer any better perspective, nor allow the user to "spot different details". They're just the normal icon with slightly differing coloration. The First Person images are the only ones that offer any real perspective on the weapon in question. 14:24, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Option 2Edit

Don't add them, not required.

  1. Per the deletion log. VaultTecLogo.png Rain - Talk VaultTecLogo.png 12:36, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

I'm sorry. But why has this been moved to a vote after only 24 hours? Granted some forums can lose momentum, but I hadn't even had a chance to comment on this forum before it went to vote, and there's still a bunch of other general forum users that haven't even had a chance to comment. 14:13, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
And in fact, despite starting an early vote, you still added the menu icons to the variant page without waiting for an outcome. We work on Consensus here. So you can't just rush it though and do what you want to do. 14:19, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
In fact Because this vote was made in under 24 hours, and now people are raising points that can be countered, which showcases this has not been properly discussed before it went to vote, I am closing this vote until such a time when we the topic has been correctly discussed. 14:26, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
The reason why I added them was to show an example, to give a better picture. It was pretty obvious as I did it for only one weapon. RooTm3q.png Soap Shadow · Talk  15:02, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
Then it should of been done on a sandbox page. Not the page that the vote was in question of. 15:17, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Vote 2Edit

Ok. Now a reasonable amount of time has passed, and it seems the discussion has come to a natural stop, I'll move this to a proper vote. To save time, this vote will just be about if we should add them or not, we can discuss where they can go after this vote. 13:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
  1. Allow the additional menu icons
  2. Do not add any additional menu icons

Option 1Edit

Option 2Edit

  1. As I've stated. This is just taking images a bit too far. It's similar to our forums some time back about having images of weapons with 2 attachments. We don't really need these images, when we already have the first person images, which offer far more detail. 13:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
  2. Even though I initially proposed the idea, I agree what Sam has said, that the first person images offer more detail, and so I vote option 2, to get this forum closed as quick as possible. RooTm3q.png Soap Shadow · Talk  13:48, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
  3. As I initially voted. VaultTecLogo.png Rain - Talk VaultTecLogo.png 13:49, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
  4. It's simply too much work for a small improvement. The first person images show the changes in greater detail 98% of the time, as well as adding these images would only add onto the amount of images we need. As of now, including camo and attachment images we probably have around 1000 images to do on AW alone, so I say we stick with the images we have now and possibly bring this up again if we ever finish these (which will probably never happen). 4XBy83R.pngAntiScootaTwotalk  14:03, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
  5. Per what I said above and what Sam has been saying througout the forum. Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 16:27, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
  6. I believe that the only reason it should be used is if the weapon variant is yet to have an image of it in first person, however, once that is done, then it should be deleted. bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 Talk 04:38, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
    And when you think about it. If someone has access to the menu icon, they likely also have access to a first person image. Even if it is just a Steam screencap, that's still better. 21:16, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
  7. changed my mind, most of the menu icons dont look different anyhow, if they do at all. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2020 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 00:08, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

Closed - Menu icons for supply drop variants will not be added. Kilo 141 Beta menu icon MW Ultimate94ninja talk · contribs 15:17, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

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