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I would like to raise a discussion about quotations, particularly this issue:

On Weaver's article, the original quote was this:

"Weaver was Russian. But he was alright."
Alex Mason


Which I changed to this:

"Grab your ass, we've got a fight on our hands!"
— Weaver in Executive Order


I did this for the same reason as the topic I'm raising here: if we are going to have a quote on a character's article, it should be a quote from said character. It makes no sense that we would have a quote from Mason, when the article is about Weaver. This rule should apply to other articles, as well - if a character has a quote, use that quote on their article, not one from another character.

I'm going to do this with any other quotes I find that match the situation above, but I would like to see the community's $0.02 on the matter. Thanks. Sgt. S.S. 10:36, February 13, 2011 (UTC)


Discussion Edit

  • Hm...Can't really say I agree. If a quote from a different character sums the subject of the article up better than anything the character says themselves, it seems to me it's a better candidate. Let's face it, "Grab your ass, we've got a fight on our hands" doesn't really tell us anything much about who Weaver is. I prefer the old quote. Evil Tim 10:59, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
Ummm... the article itself will sum up Weaver perfectly. We don't need a quote to do that. Sgt. S.S. 11:14, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
In which case, why have a quote at all if it isn't going to introduce the subject of the article? I'd say the same about your change to Dimitri Petrenko; you've change a quote in which Reznov tells us all about Petrenko to a quote where Petrenko tells us absolutely nothing. Evil Tim 11:17, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, why did you change it to that? It's a useless quote, that might as well have been a quote from an anon saying "NOOOOOO!!!1!" at his death, at least that would show the impact of his death. Smuff[citation provided] 14:01, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
You see all the text, etc., below the quote? That's what should be telling us about Dimitri, not the quote. Sgt. S.S. 18:17, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
Then what is the purpose of the quote? It's there because it's the line that best describes the character, not as proof the character can talk. Your idea would have us choose useless quotes over descriptive ones. Evil Tim 18:28, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
Alright. By your logic, Mason's article should have a quote like this:
"Your name is Alex Mason. You were born in Fairbanks, Alaska. In 1961, you served in a CIA assassination team known as Operation 40. Is that correct?"
— Interrogator


That's a descriptive quote about Mason. Shall we use that? Sgt. S.S. 18:37, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well Mason saying "I just keep hearing the fucking numbers!" does say a good deal about him. Smuff[citation provided] 18:51, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
Why not use that, S.S.? --Callofduty4 19:02, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

There's no reasoning in this. All you've said is "Put a quote from the subject of the article". I can't really agree with that, sometimes third person quotes are good. --Callofduty4 13:49, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Strongly disagree about the change. Firstly, I'm not a big fan of opening quotations in the first place. However, there's nothing wrong with a quote about the subject. There's no rationale in restricting quotations to be only those from the subject, especially if there are better quotes about the subject from other sources. I'd be more in favour of removing the opening quotes altogether, as there will be little agreement on the "best" quote and the current quotes are rather arbitrary. --Scottie theNerd 10:37, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

The purpose of opening quotations are to describe the subject. To use a pertinent example, there is good reason that Wookieepedia does not have "It's a trap!" for the opening quotation for Admiral Ackbar's article (but instead has it for the article on the Battle of Endor). What does "Grab your ass, we've got a fight on our hands!" say about Weaver? That he wants to get to the battle? That he's impatient? Anything? Semtex HUD icon MW2 Bovell Talk | Contrib. 18:47, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Inoinoino! It says he can speak! </sarcasm> Smuff[citation provided] 21:35, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Your opening argument sucked. I liked the original quote on Weaver's page much better than what you changed it to. The first one says Mason liked him even though he was Russian, while the second shows he fights and (If I knew nothing about him) likes grabbing people's asses or likes when they grab their asses. Personal Poketape 8-bit Price Emblem flippedPoketape Talk8-bit Price Emblem MW2 22:30, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, the opening argument had no reasoning nor substance and the quote that the proposer added to the article turned out to be a detriment. --Callofduty4 04:39, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
I disagree with your specific argument, but I also disagree with Sgt. S.S. on his point in this forum. Shotrocket6 Talk 04:43, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Closed -- 22px-1888721.png Azuristalk 00:36, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

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