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Recently I've noticed the increased number of people that use unclear links to their talk pages and/or user pages. One example may be FireBird- PhilomenaSig.png, in which the link for the talk page exists, but is not clearly specified. My proposal is that if talk pages or anything else is linked on a signature, it must clearly state so. While not a giant problem, I must state that it is an incommodity when you have to scroll over certain parts of people's names to see where it links me to. Any thoughts or ideas? The Wikia Contributor Talk 17:19, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

I personally don't find this type of link a problem. -- -- mr_expert talk 17:26, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Per Mr. Expert. PierogiTalk 17:31, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

It is rather annoying to have to click on someone's signature and be sent to their talk page, it isn't too much trouble to add a little "Talk" button at the end of the signature, now is it?The Wikia Contributor Talk 17:34, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but hovering over the link mostly depicts something relevant to the page it links to. For example, hovering over the 'bird-' part in the signature above shows that it links to 'User talk:Firebird-'. -- -- mr_expert talk 18:34, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with that type of link its easy to find and is undisruptive. Redskin-2617:35, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Without thinking, I knew Firebird-'s sig was split up into talk and page. I don't think ading the point is necessary. Phillycj 17:37, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but yours does the same thing and is even more split up. I didn't notice that until this thread came up. Black Ops Official logoPoketapeTalk 17:59, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram voting support Weak Support — While it's confusing it's not logging people out or anything, just making it slightly harder to get to there talk page. I do see why this is an issue, though, because people on slow computers/connections will take a lot longer to either view what the links are or go to the user page and then to the talk page. Black Ops Official logoPoketapeTalk 17:59, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram voting support Strong Support — Confusing. SiPlus 16:11, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram voting oppose Oppose — The only real issue is that you'd have to click a few more times to find where you want to go - I don't see how someone would be lazy enough to complain about that. -- azuris_ 18:07, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well yes, but have you ever been on a slow computer/internet? Some people's userpages are loaded with pictures, gifs, videos, etc and really slow down getting to the talk page. Black Ops Official logoPoketapeTalk 18:22, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
That's why we archive our talk pages when they get too big. Smuff[citation provided] 19:01, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
But not everyone archives their page, and a lot of people do have gifs on there, unfortunately we all can't have super fast internet, so "while not a giant problem, I must state that it is an incommodity", and it would allow for greater accessibility. The Wikia Contributor Talk 19:23, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
If it gets ridiculously big we'll happily archive the page on their behalf. Whilst we normally ask if someone would like their page archived first, we can go ahead ourselves if we really want to. Smuff[citation provided] 19:31, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
No see, I was referring to people's userpages, because they can be filled with stuff. Black Ops Official logoPoketapeTalk 02:31, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
Then avoid the userpage in question... Smuff[citation provided] 20:28, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
Well yes, but he's saying that he can't tell if the user posted any talk page link in their sig, so he doesn't know how to avoid it. Black Ops Official logoPoketapeTalk 21:39, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram voting oppose Oppose — What the hell? "Oh no, I clicked the wrong link, I say we curtail signatures." It's called the back button. Smuff[citation provided] 19:01, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

I did not start this thread out of personal benefit, nor because it rage when I click on something I didn't know was there.The Wikia Contributor Talk 19:35, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram voting oppose Sorry. — I know how you feel but really per Smuff. Back button is your best bet. YELLOWLUCARIO TALK  19:04, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram voting oppose Oppose — Per Smuff, I don't see how its that much of a problem. E.TALE Barracks Headquarters 19:08, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Also, why are we already voting? I'm sure we can discuss and reach compromises. The Wikia Contributor Talk 19:35, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram voting oppose Oppose — Yeah, i see no problem about them. Don't remind me that some users like their sigs with the "talk" link. FireBird- PhilomenaSig.png 19:39, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram voting oppose Oppose — Not really needed. It's not that big of deal. Personal Conqueror of all Zombies Ireland flagCoaZTalkPersonal Conqueror of all Zombies Ireland flag 01:50, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Why are you guys already voting, blantly I find that disrespectful, as you have not even given me the chance to compromise or agree on matters, and the two people above me ignored my request for discussion and voted anyways, since when do we vote immediately? The header clearly says "Discussion". The only good arguement you guys have found is "Not that big a deal", but you're not the ones with the 70 kbps Internet.The Wikia Contributor Talk 02:10, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

70 kb/s? What the hell do you have, dial up? Considering I see you on IRC enough, it can't be affecting you that much. If you don't mind, could you do a Speedtest and share the results? Smuff[citation provided] 20:28, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
I never said I had extremely slow internet, I'm talking for the people that do. The Wikia Contributor Talk 01:34, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram voting oppose Oppose — After much consideration, I must oppose this proposal; it's really not too big of an issue. Also, I'm too strong an advocate of keeping rights whole, as explained in my paragraphs below. Shotrocket6 02:52, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

A little compromiseEdit

Well since people don't seem to fond of the idea, maybe if a recognizable division could be placed, such as Cpl. Bohater's signature, between link, accessibility wouldn't be such a problem, but as I said, sigs like FireBird-'s are more inconspicuous with links. The Wikia Contributor Talk 19:35, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Can you explain in more simple English? YELLOWLUCARIO TALK  20:07, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
What he's saying is, Cpl. Bohater's sig is highlighted red where the link to his talk page is, making it more easily discernible. If all sigs were like Bohater's, it would stop situations like this happening. (Though, per Smuff, I don't see why you can't just go back a page.) Sgt. S.S. 20:16, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
^That's hard to do and I don't know how to do it, but I used the default signature template. YELLOWLUCARIO TALK  20:23, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see why we need to add this point at all, so what if the page loads 1 second slower, these type of links have no harm. Redskin-2623:15, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

While I am currently split on which side to take part in, I will say that both provide very valid arguments. TWC is correct in supporting those with slower internet connections: I don't think those who have never had to go through such a hardship can fully understand the frustration of having to sit and wait for something to load, like a talk page, when that page could've been avoided entirely. Some new users may not even know the difference between the two pages at all, actually. In my opinion, allowing something that may potentially cause confusion to exist may promote a plethora of issues in the future.

On the same token, I am not an advocate of slowly restricting users' rights to a certain action; for me, it's all or nothing. Nobody enjoys having to conform to a specific set of parameters regarding one action that may eventually further constrict (we've seen this with blogs before.) The notion that small changes can be made to a policy that gently add to the list of things you cannot do is disgusting and appalling.

To me, it seems like the users here are ignoring all of the points provided and making their decision based upon their own bias rather than fully considering the other side of the story. Users opposing should ask themselves whether they really support the continued frustration of those with slow connections and those new to wikia. Shotrocket6 01:35, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

To counter Shotrocket, on Firebird's sig there are only 2 possible places for a user to click to get to her talk. Also I know for a fact (because I have the cheapest internet imaginable) that these links would only slow down the loading of a screen for about 2 seconds and if a 2 second wait annoys a user then they should just get over it. And here is a question. Has anyone ever told a admin "OH I CANT FIND THE LINK ON SO AND SO'S SIG" or "WHEN I CLICK YOUR TALK LINK MY PAGE FREEZES/RUNS REALLY SLOW!"
Is this really enough to make FireBird, Bohater, Philly, etc. Re-design there sigs?
Redskin-2620:34, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
Apparently you didn't even bother to read the compromise, which would only require people with inconspicuous division between the links to change it therefore affecting less people less drastically. So before arguing, get better informed. Also, incidents such as these cost me circa 10 seconds, and no it's not my computer and I shouldn't have to go pay more for anything because people decided to, in all essentialities, hide a link. The Wikia Contributor Talk 03:23, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
10 seconds? That's nothing. If you really want faster wiki load speeds, delete some programs that are slowing your computer down (ChatZilla and Social+ slow computers right down) YELLOWLUCARIO TALK  16:15, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
He's talking about his shitty connection; connection speed ≠ addons. Smuff[citation provided] 20:30, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
I did indeed read the compromise, I just think that we should not have to compromise. Redskin-2620:34, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
No, because if you would've, you would have known that most people would therefore not have to redesign their signature. The Wikia Contributor Talk 01:45, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Reopen in a new topic if you deem it necessary. Shotrocket6 21:20, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

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