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Alright, I'm restricting this page for only admins to edit. Here's what I'm making this for...

we need to make an agreement on what to do with Peter Griffin Boy. He was just blocked and the block was supported by over three admins, but he was unblocked and supported by two others. Here's where the buck stops - we, as admins, need to make an agreement on what to do with him - ban, warning or nada.

Shall we vote? Shall we leave it up to a bureaucrat to decide? Shall we simply discuss?

That's where you guys come in. Regular users - if you want in this discussion, leave a message on the discussion page.

I say that we ban him - at least for a week. He did some bad stuff, got into two massive arguments and the ban was made/supported by three other admins. I don't think that anyone can just unblock him without consent of said admins, a majority vote or a bureaucratic decision.

Corporal Juan José Rodriguez Reportin' for duty. 02:21, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ban him for a month. He's a repeat offender and has been blocked for the same thing multiple times (bad attitude). Darkman 4 02:23, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

JJR I agree 100%. PGB went over the line with his insults and deserved his block 100%, I think pretty much everyone except COD4 and PGB can agree on that one. The fact that a block was revoked based on the manipulative sob-story of a user who has been KNOWN to, not only stretch the truth to its limit, but flat out LIE to get his way, and not only that, but has a long history of similar offenses absolutely disgusts me.--WouldYouKindly 02:25, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Block him and his IP for a month. Known sockpuppeteer who uses sock puppets to vandalize while his main account is blocked, causes drama; repeat offender; separates the community in attempts to be unblocked; unhelpful to the overall scheme of the community. Joey aa 04:03, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, we need the opinions, comments and discussion of all active admins.

1. Chiafriend12 - Re-instate block

2. Darkman 4 - Re-instate block

3. Joeyaa - Re-instate block

4. Callofduty4 - Oppose block

5. WouldYouKindly - Re-instate block

6. SaintofLosAngelesXD(m) - Re-instate block

7. Bovell - Re-instate block

8. Maj.Gage - ?

9. Poketape - Re-instate block, make next offense perma-block

10. Imrlybord7 - Re-instate block

11. EightOhEight - One week block + notice to all participants of the flamewar not to feed PGB flamebait.

12. Doc.Richtofen - ?

13. Juan José Rodriguez - Re-instate block

Change this once an admin places their comment on the situation.

Corporal Juan José Rodriguez Reportin' for duty. 02:28, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

As Bord and I have said multiple times before - he doesn't mean half the stuff he does. We should just realize that, accept that's he's not ever going to leave, and try to keep him pacified. -- EightOhEight 05:12, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Just because he doesn't mean it, that doesn't make it any more acceptable or tolerable. We shouldn't have to adjust because one user does immature and rude things. Corporal Juan José Rodriguez Reportin' for duty. 05:20, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

We shouldn't have to, but it'd be redundant to just keep blocking him two days after his last block. This wiki does mean a lot to him, and per COD:AGF we must tolerate it to some level. -- EightOhEight 05:24, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Assume good faith in edits? Yes. Tolerate his behaviour when he should be banned? Out of the question for me. Corporal Juan José Rodriguez Reportin' for duty. 05:25, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I agree he deserves another block, but if we just keep blocking him he's never going to change. I know you've had arguments with him, as have I. We must accept the fact that he can be vapid at times and as a community, we must help him change, or he will be permabanned. -- EightOhEight 05:28, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well, then, if he fails to learn from these bans, I don't see what bad a permaban would do. It isn't our fault if he doesn't change, it's his. Of course, here's my suggestion:

1) Ban for 2 weeks or over for recent activity

2) Should activities continue, perma-ban. He's had enough warnings and blocks.

Corporal Juan José Rodriguez Reportin' for duty. 05:30, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

808, I can definitely see where you're coming from, but PGB needs to start assuming responsibility for his own actions, his behavior has gone on unchecked for far too long.--WouldYouKindly 05:36, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

It isn't our fault, but to me, it's our moral duty. I think a ban for a week to cool things down, and after that we'll try to work the troll-ness out of him. -- EightOhEight 05:37, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
I agree, give him a block (at this point I'm okay with anywhere from a week to a month) and one more chance and make it clear that if he's willing to change his behavior, then there won't be any problems.--WouldYouKindly 05:41, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Repeat offenders get worse blocks each time they get blocked. This is not PGB's first block, but while I don't think he has any malicious intent, he ends up not being the most civil person time and again. Re-issue the block, tell him what he did wrong, and try to kiss and make up afterward. US Army WWII MSGTSgt. ChiafriendRifleman 05:38, March 28, 2010 (UTC) (Double edit conflict)

It's isn't our duty in the slightest. If PGB is acting unacceptable, then it isn't our responsibility to fix his issues and show him the right ways. It's his responsibility to fix his errors.

Anyways, it looks like an automatic majority rule vote to re-instate the block. I'll still wait for official orders. Corporal Juan José Rodriguez Reportin' for duty. 05:39, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Let's keep it going for another day at least, I'd kind of like to hear COD4's input on this. For all we know he might have a perfectly good reason for unblocking him.--WouldYouKindly 05:45, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, WYK and JJR. I think he does need a blog, and that he needs a permaban if the behavior continues. However, we're one of the better and more mature wikis, and the best way to prove that is to take a troll and fix him -- EightOhEight 05:49, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
And I agree, that all depends on if he wants to change though. I'd pick the peaceful solution in a heartbeat if I thought it would work.--WouldYouKindly 05:52, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
I hate acting this pessimistic, but the reason I think this is because we've tried this kind of thing before. Back before PGB's first block he posted a trollish "Reasons I hate Canadians" "joke" blog, which obviously descended into a flame war in record time. I had a long discussion with PGB on said blog (mainly because I knew what his reaction would be if I blocked him, not far off from the way he's reacted to his last three blocks), after which, he actually apologized. Everything was fine for a few weeks, then he reverted back to his old ways, eventually leading up to his first block. Fast forward to his second block (or was it third? I've lost count). Aside from the sock-puppeteering during said block, he actually behaved very well on his Mad Miller account and for a few weeks afterward. After which he did a complete 180 again. The point of this ramble is: based on previous experience, I don't think he really wants to change.--WouldYouKindly 06:06, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

He deserves to be reblocked, but I'm not sure for how long. The fact that he lied about 808 supporting him (I am talking to 808 over XBL right now, so yes, that is a fact) is more than enough to cement this fact on its own. Whatever the case, he gets no chances after this. When he gets back from the block, the slightest mistake will lead to a perma-ban. No sympathy. No more chances. Zero tolerance. Imrlybord7 06:24, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose all - Just give him a friggin' break. Just give me a friggin' break. If he gets blocked he'll just start messaging me on other wikis. Just keep him unblocked, and tell all the belligerents not to bait him into another flame war. You all had the opportunity to just say "STOP" and threaten with a block. Instead you let it escalate. Come on. THINK! We are admins. We should be able to deal with situations professionally, not like a bunch of moaning babies. We have the tools.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  11:37, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Every time he has come back, wiki-drama always escalates. How long has it been after his last block? 3 days? Every one of his blocks has been due to the same bad behavior, and each time, it always stirs up the bees' nest. If other users are found to have personally attacked him, then should be dealt with, but the fact is, PGB went way out of line the moment he posted this. He repeatedly disrupts the community, and keeping him unblocked would only be rewarding his actions. Semtex HUD icon MW2 Bovell Talk | Contrib. 12:00, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

CoD4, are you suggesting we let his actions go scott-free for the sole reason that he'll message you? Just ignore him! His attitude's been bad enough, and as admins, we can't let these problems get bigger and let this go unanswered just because you don't want to get messages from him. This is a professional way - to have a DEMOCRATIC vote. You reverted the block that was the decision of three or more admins - you don't have that power. Frankly, as you are not a b-cat, you can't revert it without the consent of said admins, a democratic vote or with input of a bureaucrat.

This is professional. All the admins trying to get a single agreement on what to do. This isn't bickering (unless you look at the talk page xD), but this is agreement. This is the fairest way we can do this.

P.S. I'm going to tally your vote, then. Corporal Juan José Rodriguez Reportin' for duty. 14:57, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

PGB is fully aware that his actions have consequences. He has been through three fairly long blocks; nobody should have to warn him about getting blocked for bad behavior. He should also realize that his behavioral history puts him on thin ice, and this time he pretty much crashed right through it. Imrlybord7 16:49, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, Callofduty4, suck it up. I can understand that you don't want him messaging you on other wikis, he does that to me too. But you're an admin, and in case you haven't noticed, it's not exactly all cupcakes and daisies. You're going to have to deal with some things you don't want to. (I apologize for that analogy by the way, but it's the best I can come up with at the moment). We can't just let him run around infuriating the wiki because we don't want to deal with it. And to PGB, you need to stop messaging Cod4 and any other users on other wikis. CoDWiki business belongs on the CoDWiki, and it's not fair to our users and even more unfair to the other wikis' users to take your business there. Also, I'd advise you drop the "I have a bad keyboard and a slow internet" defense, as it's not even relevant to most of the stuff you're accused of. Now, I didn't see the blog where all this started, so I can't comment on that very much. I'll admit that other users could have handled it better than they did, but that doesn't make you're behavior acceptable PGB. You've been blocked before, and you aren't seeming to learn anything from it. And I would hate for it to come to this, as the wiki is actually important to you, and I won't deny you've made some valuable contributions, but if you continue your current behavior and cause all this drama, we may have to block you indefinitely. Again, I don't want it to have to come to that. But in the mean time, shell out thirty bucks for a better keyboard. SaintofLosAngelesXD(M) 18:36, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think we have two options. We can either re-instate the block and hope things go well afterwards or we could block him for a shorter time (or none, but I think he should be blocked for some time) and make the penalty for doing something wrong again gigantic (perhaps a year, maybe even perma-block). I think if we followed the second option and made messing up again such a big offense, he'll never do anything wrong again. Tactical Nuke inventory icon MW2Poketape Talk 19:06, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Having talked with Doc.Richtofen and Imrlybord7 on IRC, I now understand why this topic has arose and I support a 1-week ban. Some of you might have noticed that Imrlybord7 already blocked him for a week. That's because during our IRC discussion I said he could block him as to his own volition. The terms of the block was that if he caused any more trouble after he came back, he'd be perma-blocked.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  12:31, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Those terms sound pretty reasonable. I think that'll stop PGB from any further offense. Does he understand the terms of this block and the penalty of doing anything wrong in the future? Tactical Nuke inventory icon MW2Poketape Talk 16:09, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

After discussing with various individuals onn their side of the story, I see the only option being a one week ban for PGB. I don't want to, nor that he is the only one guilty, but it is necessary. Richtofen bio image WaW Doc. Richtofen 16:12, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

There's the Cod4 I recognize. :) SaintofLosAngelesXD(M) 22:55, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Just to make it official and finally lay this discussion to rest:

Discussion Closed - User has been blocked for 1 week and any further offenses will result in a perma-ban.--WouldYouKindly 04:44, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

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