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Hello, I have discussed this subject a couple times with users, and i believe it is time to ask the general public about this. Over my time on the chat,, i have noticed a few things, 1. Some users tend to sign up only to chat. 2. some of those users only join to spam, troll, or just plain out disrespect people. now what i have in mind, is something called "Run the Pit" (Or any name) Which is just basically you have to have 15 main space edits (Or how ever much you guys think it should be) to join the chat. i think it would Turn away Trolls, and make it a better environment, and maybe some will actually contribute. Although, while saying that, This could also lead to more vandals,ETC, ETC. So tell me what you think below. vm7BQ.png


I like the idea, it would cut down on the amount of trolls, flamers, and invaders the chat could get and would encourage the chat community, who admittedly, have small edit counts, especially to the mainspace, to edit more. Their is the worry about more vandals, but i'm confident we could quickly catch them, if they even appeared. KUDLq.png 04:10, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

An unnecessary fix to a problem which doesn't exist. We'd have to kickban them either way, whether they are a troll or have <15 mainspace. Why bother?  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  04:11, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

It's not just a troll fixer, it's a way of getting chat users, especially newer ones, more involved with editing KUDLq.png 04:12, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
Except that would be forcing them to edit, editing is supposed to be totally voluntary.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  04:13, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
I understand that reasoning, but would it be so negative if they were forced to just make 15 edits? You could even remove the MS if it seemed necessary/right. KUDLq.png 04:15, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
Forced edits are often bad edits. - 04:18, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I think this is an intrusion upon the freedoms of users. Chat is an open-ended discussion that almost never has anything to do with CoD or the wiki, so why should we impose a minimum mainspace edit count? There is no such thing for IRC. The only reason we have a 50 edit quota for voting is so that new users don't simply create accounts to sway a vote; there is no such problem in a chat that has no effect on outcomes of votes. If new users are trolls, we shall kick them, but there are more users that actually would like to chat that have 0 edits than those who deserved to be kicked. Shotrocket6 04:15, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

This Wiki is not just about editing. It's more about the community and interacting with other users. AwesomeSauce360 talk04:17, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

This is likely to ward away most new users, beyond the trolls some people have been known to make accounts simply to ask a question or something similar. Many users often came to the chat than did edits from hanging around the wiki for so long, I know I did for one. In short I feel this will ward off more 'actual' chatters than trolls. - 04:17, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
"Many users often came to the chat than did edits from hanging around the wiki for so long" well, that is a good point... KUDLq.png 04:21, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
^^ That Personal IW FTW Awesome Face 100pxI.W. F.T.W. (talk) 04:27, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Per Sam. - Spetsnaz Logo MW2 MLGISNOT4ME [Talk] - 04:25, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know. Maybe restricting users is not the key. i feel something should be done... But i am at a loss for words on what should happen, or if anything should happen at all. I know i few feel that the chat needs a slap. others feel that it is fine. I don't know... vm7BQ.png

I think the mods do a good job handling the trolls. HammerSickleDizturnTalk Jelly_jiggler_avatar.gif 04:34, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
Why would the chat need a slap? Shotrocket6 05:40, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
Because it's been a naughty boy. YELLOWLUCARIO TALK  15:24, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know. e,e vm7BQ.png

You're proposing a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Shotrocket6 04:17, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

This is actually a very good idea, and if people can't take the heat, they can get out of the kitchen. However I have to agree with Sam. I'd prefer to introduce this policy but I'm neutral in the long run. YELLOWLUCARIO TALK  15:24, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. As said before, Wikia is not a place only for edits, but socializing. We have moderators to counter trolls, the chat should be someting for everyone. Pinkiepiejump.gif FireBird-Pinkie Pie!  15:38, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know about you guys, but what made me active was the chat (and bronies). I saw that the CoD wiki had a chat, so I joined and got involved with the wiki. If there was a rule for MS edits, I'd be all like "Fuck That!" and I probably would have left immediately. But I stayed,made edits on my own free will and helped the wiki. It could repell new users more than it helps stops trolls. Phillycj 16:53, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

This same policy is implied on Pokemon Wiki and it is utterly useless and dumb. I say we don't put anything like this on our chat.REDSKIN-26Personal Redskin-26 Squirtle sprite 23:16, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I can see the thinking. However the wiki is not just editing, so it would be counter productive to not let new users join the chat. Having them on the chat barely affects the wiki, and we're more likely to deter new editors then create them.Personal AdvancedRookie Sig2 19:21, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Pokemon wiki has this same policy applied, but it is extremely counter productive and also creates an increase in bad edits, makes there Chat empty about all the time and the policy it's somewhat violates COD:AEAE. Now editors would not have a equal right to join chat as they wish. They would then have to have a unnecessary requirement. (please excuse me if I miss used COD:AEAE). REDSKIN-26Personal Redskin-26 Squirtle sprite 22:02, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
You are excused. Your homework is to read COD:AEAE 10 times and understand that it only applies to the treatment of users and the value of their opinion. Not what they can/cannot do.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  22:05, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
Understood, after I posted it I kind of realized this as for if COD:AEAE was applied how I described it that would mean all users are entitled to the same editing rights. But again my true point is that this Policy would be unproductive. REDSKIN-26Personal Redskin-26 Squirtle sprite 22:07, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

For those who support this idea, try really hard to imagine this in practice. Imagine you are the new user. You want to join the CODwiki community. But, you're told to make 15 mainspace edits before you can chat. What exactly are you going to edit? How on earth is a new user going to find 15 things they can edit? What are they going to do? Read a hundred articles to fix typos? Try to add another image? Write an entire article? Imagine creating an account on Facebook and being told "You must go out and make 15 new friends before we let you log in". --Scottie theNerd 22:54, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Even though I'm against it, the idea behind the MS rule is to minimize trolls. Phillycj 23:02, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
And my Facebook idea is to get people to socialise. Think about it: it doesn't just reduce the number of new trolls. It reduces the number of new users, period. --Scottie theNerd 23:12, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
And that's why I'm against it. Phillycj 23:16, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure what point, if any, you are trying to make by responding my comment. --Scottie theNerd 00:22, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

I like the idea of imposing a limit to keep out the trolls, but not in this way. A better solution might be needed. And even if we did make one, it's Wikia's job to implement it, not ours. Happy Lyra Lyra(SPNKR)& Bon Bon forever <3Surprised Lyra 02:17, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think we can do much about this. It's basically Wikia's job. DarkMetroid567 16:09, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
It's Wikia's job to do...what, exactly? Stop trolling on the internet? As far as I recall, that's why we have administrators. --Scottie theNerd 04:06, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
Lawl, stop internet trolling. SuperWikia to teh rescue! No, I mean that to change the chat to limit to people without edits or something similar, Wikia would would have to change it, not us; we don't have the power to impose a limit on chat. Happy Lyra Lyra(SPNKR)& Bon Bon forever <3Surprised Lyra 04:18, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
Well, that's not really a job in the sense you make it sound: that Wikia has a responsibility for this sort of thing. Yes, only the staff at Wikia and implement these changes. --Scottie theNerd 04:22, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think this is a good idea, and I agree with Scottie. Why would we remove the work of the chat mods. We have like ten anyways. I'm sure they can handle one troll. There's always like 5 mods in chat most of the time anyways. The Wikia Contributor T | C | E | Q 03:14, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Per TWC. The chat mods are doing a great job as it is, why would we introduce requirements of MS edits to newcomers using chat? Metlman Talk 03:23, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - No mainspace requirement will be implemented. Shotrocket6 23:23, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

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