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Well seeing at how many mlp images being uploaded everyday makes me want to facepalm.
We kinda got to remember that we're a Callofduty wikia not the w:c:mlp wikia.
By all means I think we should take this like we took Forum:Eliminating the upload of Pimp My Gun Images. ^{So the question here is- Why do we need PMG images? This is certainly not the Gun Wiki.} making them upload them somewhere else where we don't have to tell the users what to license them with and so on.
Remember the meme is just not worth it being uploaded to the callofduty wiki...
New people does not come here for my little pony they come here to look up how to do things and get help. And maybe help others.

As coaz said:
``Isn't that how everyone forms an opinion? AS Pancake said "They were funny at first, but they kinda got out of hand..." CoD4 posting the pony pic is a good example of this. Just like any meme, people will continue to post the same meme until people start groaning at the sight of them. In a serious discussion, CoD4 posted a pony pic while trying to be funny, and it's down right annoying now. With a good part of the wiki either for or agaisnt them, it is harming the wiki due to countless arguments over them. In one day I had to disable commenting on three blogs due to pony-related arguments. They are bringing more harm then good.´´

Discussion

First of all, why are we voting so early? Besides, the section is so generously titled 'Discussion', it's best if at this stage we leave it as a 'discussion'. Anyways, the reasoning behind the similarities with the PMG and MLP pictures is clear, but slightly misunderstood. PMG pictures were banned on the simple reason - players put PMG pictures of weapons instead of a real-life image or an in-game version, or made an entirely new (and erroneously bad) weapon that is either fictional or has not appeared in the CoD universe. Why? As you said, we are not the Gun Wiki. MLP pictures differ from PMG reasoning, however. MLP pictures are put on this wiki not because it is an attempt to replace or change the articles or mainspace in any way, but simply because it is being used as either an avatar or used as pictures/memes on forums, which is acceptable, considering memes and pictures of all sorts are used as... something on forums.

It's also not really the Wiki's (not the Wiki's users, the Wiki as a whole) fault that people who happen to like MLP are on this wiki. I've seen Fallout, Battlefield, everything that is not CoD on the off-mainspace, but it's just a coincidence that the MLP is considerably larger in terms of usage and the general size and life of the memes.

I personally neither hate nor like MLP pictures, but considering I find no problems with the MLP pictures, I'm afraid in terms of voting, I'm going to have to oppose this. We aren't the MLP wiki, yes, but neither are we that restrictive in terms of what content is not on our mainspace. Tsunami Volt^Talk 08:22, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well the thing is that the wiki was made for cod users to be able to help other cod users, and I'm not talking about mainspace I'm talking about files. -- CakeMix^{This sig haz pie} 08:30, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well then, based on that argument, why don't we just go all the way and ban all non-CoD relevant content from the wiki? Raven's wing ^Talk08:32, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

I wanted to do that but everyone would just whine about it. MLP is just getting out of hand when it comes to the images and people can use imgur, imageshack or another wiki to display them -- CakeMix^{This sig haz pie} 08:33, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

First of all Tsunami, PMG's were banned because of the maintenance issues. Users were uploading improperly named PMG images with no license. Secondly, we have reached a consensus in the CODference that clean-sweep no more images in blogs. We also reached a consensus that any WR topics that were previously submitted and have failed are deleted straight away. I hardly doubt the reasoning here is different. Pony images don't hurt on Userpages, however, the only way we can ban them is if they walk in the PMG Images' footsteps: Improper Naming and no Licensing. — Blackout^{I'm back!} 08:57, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

IIRC, the immediate deletion of WR topics that have failed has not reached a consensus, not even a voting progress, unless it was on CoDference, which is unlikely though as Bovell just made the WR topic about it. Also, it's not about a topic that only failed, it's deleted on sight if it has failed massively, with the opposition of that topic being huge. Take this for example. - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 12:13, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

It's not "deleted on sight." Rather, the proposer would be directed to the PRP page, and the topic would simply be closed. I would also appreciate if continued discussion of this would move to its respective topic. Bovell ^{Talk | Contrib.} 12:21, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

I actually didn't literally mean it should be deleted, but closed. - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 12:52, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

When I saw the enormous amount of MLP images being uploaded to this wiki, I also thought about the PMGs. They are both large groups of the same kind of images being uploaded, without any use in the mainspace. I know a lot of meme images are being uploaded, but this meme is so incredibly big here that it might just be better putting some structure in them, by naming them File:MLP_<name>, but still allowing new uploads, or by disallowing them at all, and renaming the remaining files to File:MLP_<name>. Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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I will say this once: Y U NO LEIK PONAYS? But really, It is the people's choice to upload them, and at the end of the day,they can do what ever they want. I am actually beginning to like MLP. Besides, some of them are funny. I see no problem in uploading them. Reznov115^Talk 10:33, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

It's not an alarming thing, yet. Also, PMG images were being uploaded for a looong time, where as MLP goes with fashion. In the matter of time, I believe it's calmed down enough by the end of this year.

What comes with blog-related MLP madness, any blog comments relating only to ponies and not the blog can and will be deleted for off-topicness. If the blog itself has ponies, I'm sure the major blogs won't have almost anything MLP-related, as N7 and many others are moving away from bronyness, and the minor blogs of someone admiring ponies can be ignored, easy as that.

Also, if users like them, they are free to do (almost) anything with them, and to compare to PMGs, they are more varying. If a wave of BF3 files and stuff starts to take over the wiki later this year, should we ban them from being uploaded? Yes, when it comes a serious thing and them images flood the recently uploaded images. No, if it only stays as a common subject between users, and are a little more over occasionally uploaded.

tl;dr? In a nutshell: "let it be, at least for now". - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 12:09, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Per MLG. CoaZ^Talk 01:09, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

It's not like MLP images are used on articles. They're solely personal images. There's no reason to ban them, the reason we banned PMGs is because most of the PMG uploaders did not know how to name or license them properly. That's not a problem with any other personal images.      12:31, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

This proposal is far too late now to even be worth considering. 12:32, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Wat is this i don't even know... *facehoof* DrkDragonz66   Talk  Contribs  Combat Arms   13:29, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

You forgot the h in as in "Wath" :3 Pierogi^Talk 14:21, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Imo we should get rid of all personal images. N7 TC 16:54, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

lrn2use imgur people.-Diegox223 ^{Zed's dead, baby.}23:13, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

REQUEST OVERRULED, COURT DISMISSED. But in all seriousness, this would have been considered, like, a month ago.

This will never pass Megan. If you don't like pony pictures go to your little Runescape wiki or whatever it is you do. --AJ.Bialke^Talk! 10:47, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Not on topic. -- CakeMix^{This sig haz pie} 01:28, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

DBAD AJ. elmo's ramblings 10:54, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Comment — If you got an image you want to use on the wiki, but it is too big, you might think using the wiki as host is the only solution to keeping the full size and still having it resized on your userpage. Currently this is indeed the case, but not if the following is added to the MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Wikia.css pages:

.resizeimg img {width:inherit;height:inherit;}

That would make putting <span class="resizeimg" style="width:50px">http://i.imgur.com/1337ABC.png</span> resize i.imgur.com/1337ABC.png to 50px wide, and automatically fixing the height that fits with it. If you define width and height, the image might be stretched (could be funny for userpages too or something, while this was not possible before) Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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Voting

Support

Support — As the nominator I support this -- CakeMix^{This sig haz pie} 07:04, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support — They were funny at first, but then everyone starting using them and it's gotten out of hand.Pancake301 23:19, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support — PMG images were banned from uploading to the wiki. At least guns are relatively related to Call of Duty. If you want to upload images of ponies, go elsewhere. That is all. - CoD addict (talk) 01:19, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Support — Personal images like these can easily go somewhere else, which I've stated many, many times. --Azuris(talk) 02:10, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support — Pony images aren't relevant whatsoever to the wiki, and personally, I feel like if someone came here, saw all the most recently uploaded images were ponies, and everyone that they could see on the chat had a pony avatar, they would think we either don't take the wiki seriously, or it's a wiki made up of little kids. It seems very unprofessional. --With care and happiness, Supermutantslayer450' You will know the truth... And the truth will set you free.. 02:15, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support — I don't even get it. My Little Pony is just a toy line here in America, is it something bigger in the U.K.? I don't even see commercials for the toys anymore. Poketape ^Talk 06:03, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comment — It's not the toyline which people are obsessed with, it's the recent TV series that has grabbed so many people's attention.      12:49, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

No wonder. It says on Wikipedia the new MLP show airs on "The Hub". Poketape ^Talk 17:11, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, so what does you not understanding the show have ANYTHING to do with this conversation? Smuff^{[citation provided]} 19:03, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

^ - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 20:00, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

It's just that I was wondering where this pony thing came from. I've never actually seen any pony things outside of this site, which is why I think they make this site's community look bad. Poketape ^Talk 04:02, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

...the fuck? The only people who ever say the community looks bad are the fanboys on BF wiki with like 50 edits there. If you don't like it then it should be your problem, not mine. Smuff^{[citation provided]} 18:57, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

(Somewhat) Hypothetical situation: you go to a wiki of a game you're interested in. You see all of the editors uploading <insert kid's tv show that's foreign to you here> pictures all the time and use some internet meme gibberish. (WTF's a "bronie"?) Would you feel part of the community? Poketape ^Talk 03:09, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

I haven't seen one uploaded in a while. It's like one per day at most, and all of them are confined to userpages.      03:28, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I used to see them all the time in blogs, but it looks like the fad has died and made this whole thing a bit unnecessary. Poketape ^Talk 04:43, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Screw it, I'm changing to neutral. These aren't a problem anymore, so things are fine. Poketape ^Talk 04:46, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Support — Since this is only the images being uploaded to the wiki itself, and not a ban on pony images I will support this. 07:38, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support — There's nothing stopping people from hosting these images on an external source. Case in point: With the exception of the userboxes, all of the images on my userpage are linked from an external source.Raven's wing ^Talk07:57, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support — Per all. The next step is getting rid of personal images completely. N7 TC 08:40, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comment — In what sense?Raven's wing ^Talk10:03, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comment — Using external image sites to host images instead of uploading them to the wiki. N7 TC 10:05, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Having an uploaded image is more variable. - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 15:26, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support — Per all. TheDocRichtofen (Talk) 08:43, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support — per all and per what I said in the discussion section. Also Support renaming current MLP images to File:MLP_<filename> like with PMGs Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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Support — I misinterpreted the forum discussion. As long as this forum does not prevent us from having externally hosted mlp pictures, then it is fine with me. --AJ.Bialke^Talk! 09:21, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support — I suppose there is no balanced argument. Shotrocket6 (T/C/E) 10:27, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support — Per Joey. Keep the existing ones but rename them, but ban other ones from being uploaded. M170^Talk 12:19, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support — Okay, these MLP stuff is ruining the wiki. We need to stop it. This is the Call of Duty Wiki, not the My Little Pony Wiki.Goodboy12 14:08, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comment — The community can still use it if they want. As long as the articles are still Call of Duty, this is still the Call of Duty Wiki and everything stays on topic. --COD4 FTW! BO WTF? DarkMetroid567 17:02, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Support — Per Goodboy12. I also think that their use should only be allowed for user profile pictures. Cryptar 14:26, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comment — That's all they're allowed to be used for right now.Raven's wing ^Talk14:46, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support — Per Cod Addict. E.TALE ^Barracks Headquarters 16:04, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support — Externally host them, like N7 said. YELLOWLUCARIO ^TALK  16:07, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support — (Alright let me re-right that i freakin hate ponys becuse there a discrace to the wiki and evrey time i look on recently uploaded pictures 3/4s of tem are are ponys this is becomeingCallofdutyponys wiki 16:16, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Give this guy a medal. N7 TC 16:32, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Please provide a rational argument and do not swear.      13:25, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Although he did swear, he can keep his arguement.--Goodboy12 19:52, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

No, he can't. Swearing wasn't the reason his argument was struckthrough. - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 19:56, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Support — I hate MLP. Collector1

Please sign your name with four tildes. Poketape ^Talk 23:37, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Also please provide rational reasoning. "I hate it" isn't an acceptable reason to get rid of anything.      13:25, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry once again CoD4, but it's a valid reason. It counts.Goodboy12 19:52, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

It's not a valid reason. Personal opinions against MLP have nothing to do with this forum. Gf. - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 19:56, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Support — Per Megan's post. _Sp3c^Talk_ 08:40, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Support — Per Azuris and N7.  TankGunner ^Talk  menu icon CoD4.png/70px-G36C menu icon CoD4.png 16:58, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Support — Per all. CoaZ^Talk 17:37, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

mister coaz, i noticed in DIS forum you said that u dun tink taht teh personal images hurt teh wiki. den Y u no liek teh pony pics? (Sorry, I'm asking because "per all" doesn't make much sense when compared to this.) Smuff^{[citation provided]} 22:16, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

I know that it's kinda the opposite of what I said, but seeing a ponies themed image in the new photo thingy, blogs, or forums is really annoying to me. CoaZ^Talk 03:27, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

So you're putting personal preference in front of editing ethic then? k... Smuff^{[citation provided]} 14:38, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Isn't that how everyone forms an opinion? AS Pancake said "They were funny at first, but they kinda got out of hand..." CoD4 posting the pony pic is a good example of this. Just like any meme, people will continue to post the same meme until people start groaning at the sight of them. In a serious discussion, CoD4 posted a pony pic while trying to be funny, and it's down right annoying now. With a good part of the wiki either for or agaisnt them, it is harming the wiki due to countless arguments over them. In one day I had to disable commenting on three blogs due to pony-related arguments. They are bringing more harm then good. CoaZ^Talk 19:26, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

"Trying to be funny" - lolno, I was being 100% serious. Dead. Fucking. Serious.      22:38, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

How can pony images be serious? It's like if I would draw a dick on my forehead and go on a date. -- CakeMix^{This sig haz pie} 22:42, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Per Cakemix. CoaZ^Talk 22:47, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Who says Pony images can't be serious? COD4 just said he's serious, what do you not get? What you're saying is pretty much in the same league as "ponies are ghey because girls are supposedd to liek em not ghey brownies" DarkMetroid567 00:39, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well I do, because I'm a girl :>, Cod is just a dumb pony miss user. Face it. Oh and btw, you're too. -- CakeMix^{This sig haz pie} 00:45, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

COD:UTP Don't call others dumb pony users. DarkMetroid567 00:49, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yea, I don't really care. You guys make it just weird to even look at ponies because you make it your life passion srsly. -- CakeMix^{This sig haz pie} 01:10, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

CoaZ, my problem is you saying that personal images aren't harming the wiki then you go say My Little Pony pictures are because we keep arguing about getting rid of them. Well, I don't know about you, but incase you haven't realised, there's a forum about getting rid of personal images too. And about the "o, i had to lock teh blog bcz ppl were like 'i dun like ponies!'" The deletion tool works on blog comments as well. But you know what? If you're going to bring blogs into it, why not just not just stop commenting on all blogs, then? You know, considering people argue about Battlefield, Communism, all that shit? Learn to use your tools and don't be so lazy locking a blog and blaming it on a few anons. Smuff^{[citation provided]} 17:12, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Support — This is what image databases are for. -- -- mr_expert talk 17:08, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose

Oppose — Per Raven's Wing. Metlman ^Talk 09:29, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

So you oppose because you want everything gone or leave everything and get back all pmgs? -- CakeMix^{This sig haz pie} 10:41, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Fix your sig Metl. Pierogi^Talk 01:55, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

No, I'm just saying that with this kind of mindset, why not just ban all Non COD relevent imagery?

Metlman ^Talk 09:37, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah why not? There are plenty of external image hosting sites. N7 TC 09:59, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Vehement Oppose — the first ammendment contains freedom of expression and if people want to express themselves through my little pony, I say let them--AJ.Bialke^Talk! 05:28, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

The hell? Not everyone is American so we don't have to all follow the amendments. 07:36, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

You out of your mind?? If you think only Americans have freedom of expression, then you are a total {insert word that does not violate COD:DBAD here}!--AJ.Bialke^Talk! 07:56, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

No I'm saying don't bring up laws which would only apply to one country. Talking about the first amendment is going to mean jack-all to a non American, simply talk about freedom of speech. 08:03, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

I don't even know what the amendments are... N7 TC 08:40, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

What AR means, is that this is the internet. The internet is not the US, which means US rules or rules from any other country are not applicable here, unless made specifically. TheDocRichtofen (Talk) 08:43, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, just think what people in China who don't have a first amendment think of you. Talking about freedom of expression, you should be ashamed of yourself! Poketape ^Talk 23:14, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys. Unless they changed where the servers are located sometime recently, they're in the United States and thus Wikia falls under United States law, which includes the amendments, if you really want to know. Sgt. Chiafriend^Rifleman 01:11, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

It's a moot point, as the right to free speech doesn't necessarily mean you can do whatever you want on an internet forum. Registering an account means you consented to have your "expression" limited by wikia rules and guidelines and, by extensions, the policies and actions of CODwiki and its administrators. --Scottie theNerd 09:55, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Of course, of course, but I felt the urge to post and get all legal up in this crib for a moment when someone implied that the laws of a website's country don't apply to users of that website from another country. Sgt. Chiafriend^Rifleman 20:19, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

LOLOLOLOLOL I GOT FREEDOM OF SPEECH, LET'S SPAM CUS THE FIRST AMENDMENT SAYS I CAN LOLOLOLOL Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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Strong Oppose — I'm playing a wild card here. If they want to upload their humor here, I say let them. I don't see what is wrong with MLP, so I say the pony avatars and images stay. And if you don't like them, why not just upload your own humor? This is a COD Wiki, but when not editing mainspace we need something else to do (Like on IRC it is like an episode of Assasin's Creed). I don't see what harm Pony images are doing, (As I said before) upload your own humor if you hate them. I mean, on IRC and talk pages, we can't just nag on about call of duty all the time. We need things like Ponies and Assasin's Creed to have something else to talk about. And I am sure that there are more bronys (Bronies?) on the wiki that will agree with me. Reznov115^Talk

Comment — I (and others) have no problem with the pony images, I just don't see why they should be uploaded to the wiki instead of being externally hosted. N7 TC 10:45, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Vehement Oppose — MLP images, along with any personal images, bar PMGs, are fine. They are not an issue, we have allowed them for 2 years now and there aren't any problems with them. The reason we banned PMGs is because no one bothered to name or license them properly. And I'm not bothered to upload them to an external site, resize them, and then use the URL, when I can perfectly well upload them here. I'm pretty sure no one else is too. I don't even upload pony images, but I'm perfectly fine with people uploading them and putting them on their userpages. What is the big deal about it, is it causing people such emotional and physical distress that we have to go to such measures? Stay realistic guys.      12:44, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

You are acting like it is terrible to upload an image to a site and then put the url here, instead of uploading it to the wiki and putting the filelink here. It is exactly as much work, no wait, at Imgur you don't have to license, so it is less work uploading it to imgur than uploading it here, and if you look at my most recent comment in the discussion section, you see a CSS code which makes it very easy to resize the image to any dimensions you want. Instead of [[File:Nubponies.png|9001px]] you just do {{R|http://i.imgur.com/p0Ni3S.png|9001px}}. I don't know what you are complaining about, but it is easier to use imgur then than it is to use the wiki. And I can make the template automatically recognise if the parameter is used for aligning, resizing or even letting it be a thumbnail, exactly like with filelinks.

So yeah, it is easier to use imgur, so please stay realistic, like you said yourself. Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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Why would I want to use a template when I can just upload them to the wiki? And don't use my argument against me, because it makes you look like you're out of arguments, which you probably are.      15:16, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

The template look pretty simple to use... just sayin' N7 TC 15:23, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Per Callofduty4. Why go and make an account, get spammed down with spam emails, and upload it to Imgur or photobucket, when you can just upload directly to the wiki. Even at that, it will be a nightmare, because then talk/userpage will be bogged down with links, instead of neat pictures. Reznov115^Talk 15:45, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

You don't have to sign up to use imgur (or imageshack iirc), and they don't come up as links they come up as images... N7 TC 15:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Look at my page if you wanna know how it looks when you do that. Raven's wing ^Talk15:57, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Or N7/Pictures :3 N7 TC 15:59, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

<insert "your argument is invalid" pic here>, per n7/raven Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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Why upload them to the wiki when you can use the template? ;) --Azuris(talk) 15:43, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

@cod4: First you said you want to keep it simple, just uploading it to the wiki. As I have explained, reaching the upload page, uploading it, then licensing it, and then using a filelink on the page is more difficult than reaching imgur.com, uploading it, and using the template to use it on the page. Also, using your argument against you doesn't say anything about my arguments, it just says your argument is so invalid that it could be used against you. Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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Strong/Vehement Oppose — Per my reasoning above. - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 13:11, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Vehement Oppose — Per COD4. DrkDragonz66   Talk  Contribs  Combat Arms   13:31, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose — Per COD4. DarkMetroid567 18:18, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose — Most people on the chat channel use it as avatar, why should they change it ? --Maxwell123 14:20, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comment — It won't be the avatars that get changed. TheDocRichtofen (Talk) 14:47, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose — Cuz ponies r kewl 1358 ^(Talk) 15:23, August 22, 2011 (UTC) As you lack a personal image policy, it makes no sense to ban a specific type of images. 1358 ^(Talk) 15:29, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

/me pats Xd1358 on the head N7 TC 15:32, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

don't do dat, he's on the evil side. Only pat supprottrz on the head pls, else they think it's gud to oopoas Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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We could make one. :3 --Azuris(talk) 16:35, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose — If I can remember, we banned PMGs because they weren't properly licensed and improperly named, so it was all scattered. But the pony pictures, we aren't uploading nearly half the PMGs on the wiki, plus we properly name so they're easy to find and organized. Jar ^{making tacky jelly} 16:49, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose — The only reason anyone is supporting this is because people see MLP and are afraid their already small dicks will fall off. We don't ban IRL images; they get uploaded way more and hardly ever lisenced, then something like MLP comes up, even though the files are lisenced, people are like, "my dick mite fall of if i see anymore mlp piktures!1!!!1one!" Oh well, haters gonna hate I guess. Smuff^{[citation provided]} 17:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Psst, Smuff, we're not deleting them completely - we're moving them to an external site to be uploaded there. So thanks for unnecessarily insulting me and a lot of other people based on you not reading the forum. --Azuris(talk) 08:21, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Per azuris. nub smuff. N7 TC 08:32, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

I did read it, so uhhh... Yeah, you're welcome nubs. Smuff^{[citation provided]} 14:24, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

mr smuff did you read COD:DBAD and COD:UTP? Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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Ja, and mr joeynub50 did you read COD:DGTS? Smuff^{[citation provided]} 19:07, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Ya I did mr smufnub but how is pointing someone who says all ponyhaters have small dicks to the UTP gaming the system? Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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Because you're saying it to be awkward? Smuff^{[citation provided]} 19:23, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Not really, just saying it's not niec to say that ;_; Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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Joey is right Smuff, you did just violate UTP... CoaZ^Talk

Oppose — I voted support before likely because I didn't feel like explaining myself. Regardless, I do now. I do not believe pony images should be banned for a number of reasons; some other users have covered most of them. However, my main problem with banning any type of image at all (and only that type) from being uploaded is that it blurs the line between what is acceptable to ban and what isn't. I do not condone having personal images on a wiki; however, it would be irrational to ban any type of image now, as there are thousands of images that would need to be deleted for any type of rule to be in effect. I digress: it is my firm belief that either all unrelated images be banned or none be banned. It would simply inhibit creativity and raise questions about validity of rules if we were to ban a specific type of image. Yes, there are problems with lisencing, but these problems come with any and all image types. Users shan't disagree that we should have the freedom to upload any type of image if we are allowed to upload them at all. Shotrocket6 (T/C/E) 23:26, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Vehement Oppose — We either ban them all or we ban none. We can't be segregating certain image types which don't harm anything. I'm not in full support of keeping all personal images, but what I do know is that I strongly oppose banning a certain type of image (it could be anything, not just MLP). We banned PMGs because people would upload hundreds of them to make a gallery, and then fail to license or name them properly. That is not a problem with other types of personal images.      17:07, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Meh on you. -- CakeMix^{This sig haz pie} 19:21, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Explain why it's fair to only ban one type, then?      19:22, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Lets see, people upload images like signs and shit do you want them gone too? They are useful to other people. -- CakeMix^{This sig haz pie} 19:28, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

I use pony images on my userpage for navigation, so nice try. {{R}} works for that kinda shit also. Smuff^{[citation provided]} 19:17, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose — It makes no sense to ban them, especially since the majority is properly licensed. Pierogi^Talk 12:46, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose — They're not being uploaded nearly as much as they were a month or so ago. How on earth can we justify this to new users who show up after this goes into effect? "Oh, they were getting uploaded too much (even though very few are even being uploaded now) so we banned them from being uploaded. But you still upload anything else except PMGs." Just sounds like we're being nit picky from a new users perspective. Carbonite 0 04:16, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose — Per all. http://i.imgur.com/VwuEI.pngSXe Fiend · talkhttp://i.imgur.com/VwuEI.png 16:13, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose — Banning PMGs was one thing, nobody bothered to license them and dozens of them were being uploaded at a time. Plus, this whole argument is really revolving around Megan's antipathy for MLP and her personal gain from the banning of MLP images. 01:12, September 5, 2011 (UTC)~

Argument invalid, I don't gain much by it. I just don't want it on the wiki new files. -- CakeMix^{This sig haz pie} 01:15, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

To be honest I don't really give a fuck what you do/think, go edit your .css to hide them from newfiles or something. Smuff^{[citation provided]} 17:02, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose — Are the images really bothering people so much that everyone needs to get in a war over it? It's not like they're cluttering anything are they? People (for the most part) just use them on they're userpages. I see no problem in keeping them. Nikolai Cannot Die 01:34, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

Comment — I think people need to take a step back and think before spouting the "OMG NO 3DOM OF SPECH" argument. This is just about stopping the images in question being hosted on the wiki server. It is not about banning them outright.Raven's wing ^Talk08:42, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comment — per raven even though I rarely contribute on this wiki,If they like my little pony. they can do it to show dedication,however this is a wiki dedicated to call of duty franchise not my little pony wiki. but I'm neutral -Slopijoe.akaM14 user of death 09:08, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comment — What are we discussing anyway? A ban on all uploads of personal images, or just My Little Pony? Both are rubbish ideas but I'm still wondering what we're doing.      12:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

*points at forum name* Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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Neutral — Meh. I'm not overly fond of having an abundance of irrelevant images uploaded to the wiki when they don't need to be. That alone should be a reason to disallow meaningless upload. Use of "personal images" only makes so much sense, and I'm all for banning personal images if one includes the other. While technically uploading personal images isn't against the rules, it's worth remembering the purpose of the wiki and its focus rather than treating its features as a personal sandbox. --Scottie theNerd 13:59, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comment — I have nothing against you, Cakemix, but you seem very hypocritical. You say that you want to ban any image that is irrelevant to this wiki, and yet you have a userpage (and avatar) that has several irrelevant images. Metlman ^Talk 19:18, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

No, those images are hosted offsite on imgur. They are technically not "on wiki". N7 TC 19:22, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Neutral — Because we have a new template which allows the resizing of imgur/imageshack/other wiki images from the image URLs, which pretty much makes it the same as uploading them, then I'm not too concerned with the upload of pony images being disallowed. Not many of them get uploaded any more, anyway.      20:54, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

And if not many of them are uploaded anymore, why should we ban them from being uploaded? If we get these banned, why not ban all personal images at the same time? - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 21:38, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comment — What about the imgur images that users like I use to upload to our galleries?.-Diegox223 ^{Zed's dead, baby.}01:14, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Odear, I fear I'll have to make a gallery template too then... :3 Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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Comment — I've created Template:R to duplicate filelinks, but then for externally hosted images. There is currently a problem with the Wikia caches that does not show the latest change to the CSS files (probably just the file bug that also affects images, the CSS file is also a file), so the images won't resize properly for now, but as soon as the caches update, the template should work as it should. Joeytje50^{talk i is gud admin
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Comment — I have to say this sounds kind of ridiculous to me... just because one guy uploaded a MLP picture, and other people did too, because it's funny and to some people it's a refreshing change from all the gun and nuke pictures being uploaded, among other things, all the pony-fearing people bust a nut over it. I really just think that the people who don't like it have a vendetta against ponies, or think that just because this is the CoD wiki, there should only be CoD related things here. Plus, PMG images got banned because most of them were improperly licensed, so I've heard. I've also heard that almost all of the MLP pictures are neatly managed and organized, because they were licensed and correctly labeled, although I could be wrong on that. So from my standpoint, which would really go either way as I don't particularly have any feelings for ponies, it seems like people who want to ban them don't really have an argument at all; all I've heard besides unlicensed images are "tH1s iz teh C0D wiKi, nO PONYS pl0x" I would vote if I could, but I'm an uber n00b and don't have 50 mainspace edits yet. --Devilquak 17:21, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Smuff did no shit really, all he did was following the pack of newfags (it all got started by 4chan) we're a cod wiki not a mlp/4chan summerfag wiki. CakeMix^{This sig haz pie} 17:17, August 28, 2011 (mac)

Oi, megan, what about the smart people that use imgur (liek meh) instead of filling the wiki with uploaded images?.-Diegox223 ^{Zed's dead, baby.}20:16, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

(Megan wins the badge for "Say fags multiple times in a single post" - 50 points). ...Wath? While it wasn't me who started the who avatar thing, I was the first person to upload the images onto the wiki for my userpage (I didn't think people would actually notice I uploaded them), then people were like "imma copy smuff." Either way, yhe only pictures I ever uploaded were the 5 on my userpage, so don't blame Smuff. Smuff^{[citation provided]} 20:19, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Comment — Is this really how we're going to handle a thread discussing something as pointless as deleting pony images? I agree, I don't mind them staying, but for the love of god this is hardly important. Everyone's having a hernia over why they should be deleted or why they should stay. Someone should kill this thread now before someone is burned at the stake over this. Nikolai Cannot Die 01:29, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

As far as most people can be concerned, it's dead. No one from the support bar Poketape actually bothered to explain below why banning exclusively MLP images from upload was acceptable behaviour. It was dead before it started.      18:13, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Look at it this way

To clarify - this proposal is for the abolishment of My Little Pony images only being uploaded. The original proposal clarifies that this is the Call of Duty wiki. That's a blanket term and can be used to filibust any type of personal image. This isn't the Manchester United Wiki. It also isn't the smiley shooting signs Wiki. But what is implied with this proposal is that we're cool with allowing those images, but oh god, we can't have My Little Pony images.

That's a huge flaw in the proposal - I'm sure we can all understand that this is the Call of Duty wiki, yet that reasoning is only being used to ban one type of image, but we can still allow other non-CoD images which cause the same amount of distraction and inconvenience. The only logical explanation to this is that the supporters of this proposal don't like My Little Pony - well that's not fair to those who do like it. It's fine that you don't like it, but it's not fine that you have to use your dislike to ruin it for others. Hardly any MLP images get uploaded any more. Look here. I count one MLP image (the only one uploaded in 4 days), which is anyway somewhat related to CoD in a comedic fashion. But I also count one King of the Hill image, one Pokemon image, and 2 logos of football clubs. But we're OK with those, you know, because they're not My Little Pony. What's the point in making an explicit rule to ban them, which would look so prejudiced and unaccepting, when they aren't uploaded much any more?

I know images can be uploaded to external sites. I think that would be a good thing to enforce too, to all personal images. But why are we only trying to apply this to MLP. There is no good reason. If other personal images are acceptable, why can't MLP be. No one has stated why MLP is bad, but all other non-CoD related images are fine.

Does MLP cause any one emotional stress? Does this image, which is correctly named and licenses, piss people off? I don't think so. So that's another logical reason to remove them ruled out - which again makes the reason "I don't like them" the only reason being used in this proposal.

So what's the point in this? Why should we discriminate against a certain type of image, but be fine with other images irrelevant to the wiki? I'd appreciate the support to come forward and explain why this is acceptable behaviour in any way. I don't expect there to be any good explanations, so I won't be disappointed if no one comes up with anything.

I leave you with this image, which expresses my thoughts in a nutshell at this proposal:

     14:47, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Isn't that why we have this? N7 TC 16:28, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Then this thread should cease to exist. DarkMetroid567 18:15, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. Some people fear of their masculinity and/or just don't like the show because they haven't watched it, drawing conclusions that "pony = girly stuff -> people who watch ponies = girly", and therefore try to prevent images of them being uploaded. Since they are licensed (and named) properly just as much as other images, not uploaded very frequently and cause no harm to other people, I see no reason to ban them from being uploaded. - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 16:30, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Also, may I note that the images scavenged from internal sites via R template can sometimes be of bad quality. For example, compare Smuff's userpage navigation pony pics before he used R on them, and after. Old - Current. - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 18:23, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well actually MLP images actually do piss me off. It doesn't have anything to do with masculinity, I just am annoyed when I see MLP images. There is no way to put it into words. Poketape ^Talk 01:08, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Personal reasons shouldn't still affect the outcome. Just pointing out. - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 12:26, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

As I pointed out to him earlier. Smuff^{[citation provided]} 16:15, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not concerned with it not being anything to do with masculinity... I'm secure enough with my own masculinity that I'm not bothered by what others think. And if there is no way to put it into words, then it cannot be a validated argument. As I said, no one will come up with a good explanation as to how singling out these images is acceptable behaviour.      17:04, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to point out to everyone thinking so - pony images don't flood Special:NewFiles. It's more or less MW3 or other personal images. In fact, when I've checked it now for about three days, I haven't seen one single pony-related pic. So that argument is invalid. - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 14:43, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

And you can't really pull PMGs into it either. We took them down because there were poorly liscensed. I see nothing wrong with pony images. This thread should be killed with fire... Reznov115^Talk

+ they were severely uploaded into thousands of galleries. - MLGISNOT4ME ^[Talk] - 20:10, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

They were poorly lisenced, named and were often uploaded over other PMGs; it was the PMG who ruined it for themselves. Smuff^{[citation provided]} 17:55, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Closed -- Not passed. Even though there are more Supports than Opposes (19/15), our consensus policy dictates that at least 70% of the votes must be Supports for the motion to pass, whereas only 55.88% of the votes in this forum are Supports. In addition, the support fails to provide many specific points to support their reasoning, but the Opposition provided many clear, concise points as to why the images should not be banned. Also, please note that this decision is not the product of a bias: I may be a fan of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, but that had absolutely no effect on my final decision. However, the original proposal was highly biased; the original poster has admitted multiple times that she dislikes anything related to My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. User:Sactage/s.js 19:44, September 6, 2011 (UTC)