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Currently, how we have COD:FILE set up for videos, we aren't allowed to upload any which have comments in the description asking for things like "likes", "subscribes", and videos that have links in the description or the video itself. However, this has made it almost impossible to find gameplay videos for maps and game modes. Therefore, I would like to propose we retire this part of COD:FILE. I know we have it to avoid advertising, but honestly I don't see why it really matters as long as it isn't like the whole video being about advertising the YouTube user or anything else. Even if it does advertise the user, again, I don't see why it really matters as long as it doesn't force you to visit these links and doesn't seem obvious that the videos are being uploaded purely to advertise the user or channel. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2020 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 21:00, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

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Along as the videos don't end up like this user's, then I don't see any problems. For example, the one you uploaded from RelaxingEnd, I believe that is a good video. I mean, aside from being a good gamer as is, he was able to show just about everything about the map in that gameplay, with the only subtle thing being his icon in the bottom right (which later disappears in the video). However, I question you adding the entire video description to the file page, as it includes the "Please Subscribe" in the description. That'd be my only real concern. bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 Talk 23:17, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

i didnt add the description to the videos page, it does that automatically now for some reason. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2020 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 23:26, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
Huh, odd how it shows up as you, and in a different edit than the upload. Anyways, how should that be covered though? Will we keep any of their description, make our own, or what? bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 Talk 23:31, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
having to change the description for each one could become a bit of a pain, but i guess maybe we could just remove the description on ones with links and that ask for likes and stuff. however its unlikely anyone will bother looking or reading the description on the wiki anyhow. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2020 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 23:35, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
I vehemently oppose this. The reason that part of the policy is there is to stop users from just uploading their own videos, when the videos themselves are clearly made to ask for likes/subscribes. There's nothing wrong with video descriptions, because we can jaut remove those, but we cannot remove what's in the video content. And frankly, since we're already losing people to YouTube users, allowing our articles to have videos that ask people to subscribe to them only increases the chance we'll lose out on users. 15:16, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with a small "If you enjoyed this video, please consider subscribing" in the end or whatever, as long as the actual video makes up for it. If it's a video filled with self-centered commentary and mini-advertisements, no. If it's a quality gameplay video with no commentary (or one that actually focuses on the subject) with minimal or no advertisement, yes. The only other realistic way we're gonna find videos that meet our standards is making our own, and besides a few people such as myself making small gameplay clips, we've seen how that has worked out, multiple times. -- laagone (talk)  15:43, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

To elaborate, videos such as XboxAhoy's would be ideal (were it not for his IRL segments that other people here don't like); smooth commentary, very well written, gameplay focusing on the matter (and raw stats, even) and no "PLZ SUB AND LIEK AND SHARE TO UR FAMILY". On the other hand, videos such as Syndicate's where his videos are more about him than the game would be a good example of what not to use, no offense to Syndicate himself. -- laagone (talk)  15:48, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
Esspecially when coupled with a 30 sec-1 min+ intro. While I can likely bear something that only has a quick comment at the end, I honestly can't stomach something with an overly eleabarote intro noting the YouTuber name and a request for likes/subs. 16:00, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
For videos with lengthly channel intros, I guess it is possible to ask users to post videos that start at a point after the intros by using the "get video URL at current time" option on YouTube. But, like others have said, doing stuff like this kind of does complicate the process. 
Higaboi21talkKI7e8hQ.png 23:51, June 7, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, we could water down that rule a bit. But if a video is really informational and benefits the article well, then just put it up. It's obvious when someone is uploading videos to bait for likes/subs.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  04:16, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

I could understand watering it down. But I still vehemently oppose retiring it completely. 12:08, June 7, 2015 (UTC)
Absolutely. I am totally against videos with long intros and self-praising commentary or anything like that being used in articles. The difference between videos made at least in part to self-advertise and those made for purely informational purposes is very clear and we should strive to use and encourage the latter as much as we can.  FANMADE_Animated_Derpy_Hooves_desktop_ponies_sprite.gif Sig1.png Sig2.png  05:12, June 8, 2015 (UTC)
yes, i dont think we should include ones with long intros and commentaries or anything, im talking more along the lines of videos like the gameplay video i uploaded for the Carrier page, where the description has some links and asks for subscribes and the video has a few small annotations boxes (i think thats what theyre called, they link to things usually) in the top corners which can be removed by going into the setting thing on youtube. also, theres the icon in the bottom right, which, i dont see as much of a problem due to how small it is, and do think that any with big icons in the bottom right shouldnt be uploaded but small ones like that i think should be allowed.
i dont think we need to allow commentary ones though, because although its not exactly easy to find commentary-free ones for older ones, i usually can find one. however, i think it should be noted in the policy that you can use COD:IAR to ignore the policy and upload one with a commentary if you absolutely cant find any other video of gameplay.
as for not completely retiring that part of the policy, i agree now. im kinda thinking along the lines of what sam said: watering it down some. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2020 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 20:33, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
As long as the commentary is relevant to the video (e.g. talking about how the weapon performs rather than the uploader talking about his/her daily life), I don't see why it'd be a problem. -- laagone (talk)  18:44, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
we can allow them i guess, but i figure people would rather listen to the sounds of the match rather than someone talking about the weapon or map or whatever. we already have our own descriptions on the weapons and other things so i dont see a need for a commentary talking about them. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2020 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 21:00, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
The thing is, if this was always the case, then more people would view the wiki than watch someone like Drift0r's videos for that type of info. bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 Talk 22:25, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
why would they do that if we continue with the commentaries if they could easily just read the info in the article instead? i know id rather read it than listen. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2020 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 22:29, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
I'd rather do that too (I don't work as well when it comes to audio), but some people prefer watching videos, whether it be because they're trying to do something, prefer audio, or are simply lazy. bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 Talk 22:34, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
Some people prefer audio over text. In some scenarios, a video commentary is clearer to understand than encyclopedia text as the latter is "forced" to look professional instead of merely getting the point across as well as possible. -- laagone (talk)  12:25, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
Closed - COD:FILE will be changed to reflect small segments asking for likes/favs/subscribes can be overlooked if video is off good quality. 15:35, August 3, 2015 (UTC)
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