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Okay, as you know, virtually everywhere off the mainspace is dead nowadays. The War Room, Forums, Admin Requests, even Chat isn't as active as it used to be. But the question is: WHY? Why are new users not making an input off the mainspace? Do they even know that there isn't just a mainspace?

And here's my solution to it. At risking of breaking COD:NOT, but at the same time proposing an idea that has proven to have worked, is following what I've done on Bandipedia. Now, what I've done is started a research poll in order to boost the attention of our new Twitter account, and I've set them up in the past to give me analytics on the forums and why people aren't using them. Because of this, I'm now aware that people can't be bothered, or aren't aware of any forums going on, but activity has definitely increased because I know why people aren't using the forums so I have catered the forums to what the community wants.

Why aren't we doing this here? It would boost activity if we knew what people wanted to see on the forums and similar, and if people knew that these places even existed. It really wouldn't take much, my research polls are always on the home page but with the wiki we could put them on weekly news articles, use a pop-up message to direct the user to a polls page, you see all of this is possible but we're not doing it, therefore stagnating the progression of the forums, and allowing them to even regress.

Before I start a vote, (might do it in poll form just for the irony) I think we should discuss the issue a bit more and get viewpoints on the wiki using research polls in order to see if it would be a good idea or not. Fire away! YELLOWLUCARIO TALK  18:41, April 20, 2015 (UTC)


How blunt an answer do you want? 19:22, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Forums aren't usually visited by new/non-regular users too often and on most recent forums I see a lot of the most active users giving some sort of input. And who cares what people want to see on forums? They're there for discussions as to how we could improve various aspects of the wiki and anyone can make a forum if they wish. I also don't see how adding a research poll to the front page of the wiki or onto a news blog would help, since forums aren't a place we take an anon's thoughts into consideration. Also, the War Room isn't dead, discussion just generally die off after two weeks; trying to get discussions to fully run their course should be a bigger concern. I really don't see a point in a survey. Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 19:50, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

"since forums aren't a place we take an anon's thoughts into consideration." To be fair, I believe my contributions in this forum before I created an account were taken into account to some extent. Nonetheless, I don't think this will help too much. bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 Talk 02:30, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

"Okay, as you know, virtually everywhere off the mainspace is dead nowadays. The War Room, Forums, Admin Requests, even Chat isn't as active as it used to be. But the question is: WHY?"
Wasn't that question already answered in the War Room? VaultTecLogo.png Rain - Talk VaultTecLogo.png 20:39, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it was, but we never really improved on it. We got rid of one page as a result, and now there's a huge backlog on the AR page (over 600 files set for sdelete that need sorting out) YELLOWLUCARIO TALK  17:47, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure promoting even more Chat, AR and WR will solve things. They're already well promoted in community messages and news blogs, and chat is a big window on Wikia's right rail that is hard to miss.
I honestly think the reason we lost activity out of mainspace is because of our users that do not have interest in chat or war room forums (I personally don't have interest in chat, and so do many other active users and sysops). You can also blame the loss of general wiki activity because many of our regular users left, and we probably don't attract people as much as we used to because, as it was said in an old forum, CoD's golden age is over, and Ghosts' flop probably caused former CoD fans to find other FPS games.
That being said however, the War Room issue is much a problem. I've seen this happening on other wikis as well btw. Forums die within weeks and no one tries to bump it, and when someone does, it gets ignored. Even if the thread seems active, it will suddenly die and no one will leave more replies. The only solution I would propose it to make a pop-up box (like the "You have new messages" one) to link to a WR forum (it is done through I-don't-remember-which MediaWiki page), that would pop up for everybody, and if they don't care, they can just get rid of it and not get bothered by it anymore. I'm not sure it'll have positive results, but it's the best we can do IMO to advertise WR forums. VaultTecLogo.png Rain - Talk VaultTecLogo.png 18:29, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
That'd be a useful thing. bionicle__unity_duty_destiny_by_cyberpictures-d6p3li2.pngLegos-Rule-15 Talk 06:03, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
That pop-up box idea actually sounds pretty good, but I'm not sure if it will attract new users to join in on the discussions. Higaboi21talkKI7e8hQ.png 19:33, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

i think having the forums advertised on the navigation bar is enough. however, i think it would be good to promote things like the articles for deletion page better somehow. as far as the other forums go though, i think theyre fine as they are now. War flag of the Imperial Japanese Army RisingSun2020 Personal RisingSun2013 2000px-Flag of JSDF.svg (RisingSun's Talk Page Blog Posts Contributions) 20:21, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

Going back to my original question. There's nothing on-wiki we can do to get people more interested. And this stems from 2 main facts, as well as plausably a few minor ones. But the two main ones are A - the CoD series is starting to flatline. Despite all the hype BOIII is generating, it's still clear that ever since BOII/Ghosts that general enthusiasm for the series is declining, I mean, people are already turning on AW despite it actually being a very good CoD game, however, we get given so much, so soon that it just blends together and makes it dull. The devs may be on 3 year cycles, but the series is out every year, with DLC coming out at such increments that there's basically 3 months between each CoD addition (Game-DLC 1-DLC 2-DLC 3-DLC 4-repeat cycle). From that it's clear that not many people would want to come to the wiki or start editing, when they're already getting bored of the series itself. That's something that can't be helped, because CoD needs to take a break and let it cool down. Future Warfare is really starting to grate now because it's been in 4 games in a row without a break, wheras if it had taken that break, it wouldn't feel as badly repeated. The other issue, which I'm sure you were all expecting from me, is YouTubers. Aside from the faux pas Drift0r did that gave us bad publicity, YouTubers are essentially draining from our user base. A majority of the loyal CoD fans left seem to respond better to gameplay videos than reading. Since most of these guide makers generally just talk about a weapon while showing them doing well with it, people tend to just watch them. It's also a far lazier way to look at a weapon since at the end these users normally tend to say what loadout works for them and just tells them to use it, instead of our system where we remain unbias. Frankly, between these two reasons, we're losing anyone that might want to edit, because they're not interested in the series anymore, and general users because YouTube videos are just simpler for them. There's nothing we can really do to address these concerns, so we may well just need to adapt to them. 13:46, April 28, 2015 (UTC)
Maybe we could change that? Maybe a tips section or "ideal loadout" section? idk just throwing out ideas. Also what did Drift0r do? N7 [T|C] 15:21, April 28, 2015 (UTC)
Drift0r claimed our information was wrong when it wasn't. Tips have been discussed before, and they're sort of an odd topic to get down, I'm not against good tips, but when they've come up before we've never nailed down a consensus. And the thing about "ideal load outs" sort of kills off the unbias nature of being an encyclopaedia. 18:10, April 28, 2015 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I remember that actually. And tbh I don't think tips would be too bad, tons of wiki's have them and it doesn't stop us being unbiased imo. We could easily do a section similar to trivia on pages that show simple tips. Good weapons for a certain part of a mission, good map control in mp, good attachments for a gun etc stuff like that idk. I agree ideal loadouts might be a bit harder though. N7 [T|C] 21:41, April 28, 2015 (UTC)
I agree about tips. If done well they could be easily incorporated, even in an unbias way. It's just been a bit of a tough topic to discuss is all. 09:17, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Closed- Forum has gone no where and it hasn't be edited in over two months. Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 02:04, July 3, 2015 (UTC)

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