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All the campaign missions have been confirmed with the acheivements, a mod needs to edit the main page. Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Eja51cZQuw&feature=feedu


184.88.115.212 20:48, September 26, 2011 (UTC)Maxter480


Some XP "zoom" videos on killstreaks, and DLCs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y

In the DLC part of the video there are a lot of map never seen on the XP event! And when the decoy care package is seen, the map it's so similiar to the gameplay of the REAPER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woySeSNBL3o, don't you think?

And this makes them DLC?? wrong, they didnt show ALL 16 maps @XP, and IW?SH is NOT working on DLC yet. 99.135.107.70 18:14, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Single Player trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AdKgDVruHfo


How do I add this to MW3's video gallery?

(EvErLoyaLEagLE Talk 20:28, October 7, 2011 (UTC))

No Soap?

Soap didnt appear in the mw3 redemption trailer. I'm thinking he either died of his wounds, got captured in the beginning of the game, or just went on a seperate mission. Any thoughts?66.215.17.45 01:38, October 8, 2011 (UTC)Demonixelmo748

In the Redemptiom trailer, at 1:00, you can see an model that is likely to be Soap189.68.192.44 00:14, October 16, 2011 (UTC)XXGhostZz

"If He's back on the grid, Then so are we." Price could be talking to Soap.

Soap dies in Modern Warfare 3. He manages to make out three last words to Price as he slips away: Makarov... knows... Yuri.

You couldn't resist put it here, in the Soap page AND my user page, could you anon? cone.exe 言うのページhttp://i.imgur.com/z8jQEUt.png

Your proof? http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m119/steveisgreatsb/nerv.jpgCodfan5695 Talkhttp://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu62/MawsCM/Rei%20Ayanami/033.jpg

I cant stop weeping for soap i mean why kill him off,f kill price he sucks. (in my oppinion) —Unsigned comment was added by JACyd

NO GHOST

People are saying that in the redemption trailer the soldier standing outside makarov's car is ghost but i stopped it fast enough to see that it's simply a soldier wearing a gas mask. 66.215.17.45 06:03, October 9, 2011 (UTC)Demonixelmo748

Yeah, that's true. I think that ghost is the soldier behind the other guy with the gas mask at 1.15 minute

No thats not ghost either thats the mission mind the gap which i saw in a leaked video and ghost doesnt appear in that level. Also in the reveal trailer people say ghost appears at 0:59 but its sgt. wallcroft after he stands up from the truck that they fell off when they destroyed the subway train.66.215.17.45 21:10, October 9, 2011 (UTC)Demonixelmo748

[PSN] wafflepancake: Don't forget, Sgt. Wallcroft is voiced by the same man who did to voice of ghost ;) I've gotaa feeling theres some sort of giant easter egg, like on zombies, maybe a certain combination of buttons, or maybe you have to name your spec ops something like "Operation Kingfish". Who knows...

Even if Ghost is in MW3, its unlikely they are going to show him in the trilers, just like with Captain Price in MW2 http://i.imgur.com/KUDLq.png

Can anyone explain me why they hate russia so much? if you open your eyes you will see how they made russia in mw: even worst than germany in 1939... pretty ofensive

What makes you think they hate Russia? Also, invoking Nazi Germany for a comparison is a sure-fire way to lose an argument. Raven's wing Talk21:14, October 9, 2011 (UTC)


I think that's Wallcroft. - spazzykay


GHOST IS DEAD!!! God really people?!?! How the hell can you survive a .44 magnum shot to your chest then burned alive? The whole thing about him saying "why do we have to wear fireproof vest?" was in a very early mission. God... WhatS next? Wallcroft gets shot with a Barrett and then thrown into a wood chipper and people are going to be like "oh he is still alive" Crazywarfire 21:38, October 17, 2011 (UTC)Crazy

Ghost is dead seriousely how the hell do you survive being burned a life and shot with a magnum in your chest? seriousely i agree with the guy who is saying ghost is dead "then where is ghost?" HES FUCKING DEAD god damn. id get how you can get shot in the head with a mp7 in live but a magnum hell no

Actually, Ghost never said that in any Mission. I've replayed MW2 enough times to confirm that.-Diegox223 Zed's dead, baby.Personal Diegox223 Deadpool logo21:40, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, don't yall remember infinity Ward saying that Ghost is coming back, but in a difirent way.FunnyRabbit 11:33, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

If anyone finished the game and waited after the credits you'd see a picture of Soap, Price, Sandman, and Ghost in it. This leaves me to think that ghost is renamed frost, the person you play in the 1st 2 missions, but for the name I guess it was so it wasn't known that he was in cahoots with price and soap, like an alias, because every1 in team 141 was considered the enemy. I guess this was what IW meant by re-introducing Ghost in a different way.

Great logic. The one small oversight that you made was the small problem of a British man getting into the American Special forces. Furthermore, the Battle of New York takes place at the same time that Ghost dies-or within a day. Even if Ghost wasn't killed and wasn't British, he would still be struggling around New York with a sucking chest wound. Other than that, your logic is almost as infallible as that of the novel "I, Robot." TheIMightyJelly 20:59, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

New Level

The level featuring the AC - 130 is in paris and it will be called Iron Lady.

Source - http://www.computerandvideogames.com/321825/new-modern-warfare-3-screens-reveal-paris-level-ac-130-gameplay/

-Spazzykay

Soap

I'm sorry, but where exactly has it been confirmed Soap is back? I haven't seen him in any trailers or anything. Can someone link me if they have a source? ChickenDoughnut 16:17, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I dont know if he's been confirmed but i think hes the guy wearing the hood just because in mw2 his face got stepped on by shepherd and maybe it damaged his face and now he has to war a hood, just my opinion.66.215.17.45 23:14, October 10, 2011 (UTC)Demonixelmo748

My point is, if there's no actual proof, he should remain unconfirmed for the time being. ChickenDoughnut 23:16, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

In the Redemption trailer, at 1:00, look carefully the model, it looks like a lot Soap189.68.192.44 00:17, October 16, 2011 (UTC)XXGhostZz

Both soap and price are returning to mw3 confirmed on GT.TV.68.190.213.16 18:04, October 16, 2011 (UTC)Demonixelmo748

Soap is DEFINITLY in MW3. I've played and finished the single player campaign. I know.

Hypersupremacy

Yeah SOAP is back.

Prague

Can someone add Prague, the capitol of the Czech Republic to the locations? You can see it at 00:18 and 00:49 in the Redemption-trailer. In 00:49 you can see town hall and at 00:18 you can see the monument to Jan Hus Thank you.87.178.250.55 17:24, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I added Prague for you. ThatNoob Talk 23:50, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

"(Weapon name) Custom"

I've noticed in a few videos, the pick up text of a few weapons has said, for instance, SCAR-L Custom. Does anybody have any idea what this means? I just assumed it's like the new "bling" or "multiple attachments"?


Sign your posts with four tildes (~), please. Yeah, I think it is the new Bling/Multiple Attachments

Yes, it is the new "bling/multiple attachments", it means that the person has the 2 attachments upgrade on. 75.68.40.81 20:02, December 29, 2011 (UTC)STR8BA113R - www.xmvpgaming.netai.net

DogNut327 18:19, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

proficiency discussion

What happens when you pick up an enemy weapon with a proficiency? When you use it, will you have less recoil with it if the enemy used kick on it? If not, what happens if the enemy used 2 atachments proficiency?


177.19.11.169 01:40, October 11, 2011 (UTC)


I was wondering this myself last night, if the proficiency applied to the gun (logical) or the person itself, it's kinda of hard to wrap your head around. 121.221.237.106 12:30, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Guys, think logically. It applies to the gun itself. For example, you pick up a gun with Kick, you get less recoil on just THAT gun. It's just like picking up a gun with a Holo sight, you can still use it. Another example, you pick up a weapon with Bling: you get both attachments. Bling was a tier one perk, but you don't need to have it equipped to pick up a Bling weapon. It's like getting a free perk in that case. But yes, it affects the gun, not the user just like an attachment. 89.204.198.199 15:58, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Quotation Marks

Where it lists the campaign levels theres no quotes around "Mind the Gap". That should be fixed.

JiggleFisher 8:43~10~11~11

How is going to be the next CoD?

DO you think that they are going to make another CoD?

I just hope they do something new.

MW4?

BO2?

ww1 game?

ww2 game?

Do you think that they are going to change their engine?

Leave your opinion 186.213.121.106 02:33, October 13, 2011 (UTC) [PSN] wafflepancake: I'm guessing it will be a futuristic, space aged call of duty, much like halo. Possibly taking place in the your 2200+

I personaly believe the next CoD game will be CoD: BO2 because, don't IW and III-ARC trade off games every year? .44 Magnum menu icon MW2AwesomeSauce360 talkSTG44 menu icon WaW


That is likely, and perhaps mix a little modern in it since it'll likely be late 70s to early 90s. Or else they might as well make a future warfare. They won't go back to WWII, let alone make one of WWI (it's too old, and there are too many bolt-actinos during WWI; there were already too many of those in II)

(EvErLoyaLEagLE Talk 17:21, October 15, 2011 (UTC))


The Next COD title is Black Ops 2, they annouced that a while ago, but i wouldnt expect to see zombies again, rumor is that they are making that a seperate title called Zombie Labs

Call of Duty: Border Wars LOL

Kreative Gaming 04:28, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

How about CoD: Biological Warfare?83.83.61.111 13:43, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

He isn't Ghost, but...

In one of the single player trailers, the guy who everyone though was Ghost (running past the overturned car), is Wallcroft, who is played by Craig Fairbrass now. 98.113.18.236 16:20, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


Ghost is dead. Period. Even if Bowling says he's not "exactly" dead, it might just be a character similar to him but completely different at the same time. Craig Fairbass will voice Wallcroft since he sounded similar to Gaz in 4)

(EvErLoyaLEagLE Talk 17:23, October 15, 2011 (UTC)) GAZ,

Ghost, and Wallcroft have the same player voice.but doesnt mean they are back. (MW3 interview) (Zurk3d)

'not exactly dead.' Ghost's kid? D: Kreative Gaming 04:26, October 16, 2011 (UTC)


Exactly. I think it's his son.

XNite 23:22, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Things from the Strike Packages trailer

FNG title has woodland camo now.

Fall camo at :53

Gold at 1:15

Urban 1:40

Possibly Blue Tiger or Digital at 2:26

Desert 3:05

Skorpion (not sure if it was previously confirmed or not) at 1:51


98.113.18.236 18:19, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

It was also possible to spot the Mk14 in game, as well as better view overall on the AK-47 RC95 19:32, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Last Mission Kotaku?

According to the kotaku leak the last mission takes place in a hotel and as you can see in the picture there headed into one? Any thoughts?Demonixelmo748 19:52, October 22, 2011 (UTC)Demonixelmo748

I want to play this mission b/c:

1. player has Russian weapon (PKP), but teammate has American weapon (Mk46)

2. Russian bodyguards.

3. looks BA. 99.135.107.70 22:45, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

According to the leak it was price, yuri, and SANDMAN(american) who went into the hotel and whats BA?68.190.213.16 02:36, October 23, 2011 (UTC)Demonixelmo748

BA=Bad Ass. 99.135.107.70 18:11, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

LastmissionMW3

launch trailer quote

The quote about shadows was NOT said by Price, no Brit accent! HighbornBEN10 22:49, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Im guessing it was Sandman, just my opinion.68.190.213.16 02:51, October 23, 2011 (UTC)Demonixelmo748

Ya, but some1 labeled it as Price's quotte :/ 99.135.107.70 18:12, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

It's Price.

(EvErLoyaLEagLE Talk 16:38, October 24, 2011 (UTC))

its not Price...we dont know who it is... 99.135.107.70 02:42, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Britian

is anyone else excited about the game taking place in places other than the us like britian and france xD

HARRY R.

MW2 had Russia, Georgia, Afghanistan, Brazil, and Kazakhstan(spell?) 99.135.107.70 02:41, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Trading cards

so i was on the internet when suddenly i found these : MW3 trading cards http://www.rankupxp.com/CombatCards/ Mentelgen 00:49, October 25, 2011 (UTC)mentelgenMentelgen 00:49, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

This is way too exaggerated. CoD combat cards! Oh god. I think I'll go back to cod4 RC95 20:15, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Launch Trailer quote

people keep saying the shadow line is said by Sandman. Sandman does not know about Makarov until mid-campaign. it's Price's line, and no one else. Otherwise prove that it is Sandman.

(EvErLoyaLEagLE Talk 04:40, October 26, 2011 (UTC))

He had no British accent, so it wasnt Price...we don't know who said it 99.135.107.70 02:39, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

I've asked Robert Bowling on FB, but he still hasn't responded. We won't know until he does.

(EvErLoyaLEagLE Talk 05:15, October 28, 2011 (UTC))

Levels

why arent levels from achievement list added?

COD:LEAK. Raven's wing Talk18:36, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
yep...its a leak 99.135.107.70 23:42, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
about leaks.. i found this : http://www.charlieintel.com/2011/10/29/leak-mw3s-spec-ops-mission-stay-sharp-new-pit-level/ I know it's no wiki material, but it's interesting to see :D RC95 14:45, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Pirated Copy?

Can anybody get their hands on that stolen copy? I think it's being pirated online. I would, but I have torrented so many things, I would not be suprised if the Feds were watching me. Hammerhead-Closing pools since 2005. 22:07, November 1, 2011 (UTC)


Is it THAT difficult to wait 1 week? 98.113.29.72 01:35, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Activision folks are focusing on banning players who play the game online before release date. PC Steams should have encryptions that prevent playing before release. There are pictures from a removed YouTube clip, slight chance it's fake. But who knows. But I agree with Carbonite, those bastards are just so impatient. Heck it's not as bad as having waited for StarCraft II for over 10 years. Hopefully they'll catch those *FRAGS before anymore harm can be done.

(EvErLoyaLEagLE Talk 06:11, November 2, 2011 (UTC))

Even if someone did, none of the information could be added here since it is stolen. Carbonite 0 02:09, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Multiplayer!

Think you guys might want to check out this MW3 multiplayer spoiler: [1] -SpOoKs MaStEr EiGhTy-EiGhT 23:12, November 1, 2011 (UTC)


Old news, and the people on the wiki don't accept unconfirmed leaks. 98.113.29.72 01:35, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

MW3 Wii case pics leaked

[2] DogNut327 22:43, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yuri Confirmed to be Playable Character

I have gameplay footage from several players who received the game early from K-mart (due to a mistake that the shipping companies made in telling K-mart to start selling them at an earlier) in one of the later levels which confirm Yuri to be our main protagonist and playable character as noted in this link. However, there is a HUGE spoiler in the video. --File:1911A1iwi.png Blemo progress-wheel.gif TALK CONTRIBUTIONSEMAILMESSAGE


Aw lawdy, I love spoilers. Must watch.IIID Empire 04:51, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Is that why there are many spoiling clips the past week? I've seen those of Soap and Price, the London chemical attacks, and the ending. At first I thought it was because of the one guy that managed to steal a copy from the Infinity Ward warehouse.

(EvErLoyaLEagLE Talk 17:09, November 6, 2011 (UTC))

No. of Maps... Something ain't right.

In the recent live stream, Bowling said that there will only be 16 multiplayer maps. I count more than that on our list.109.155.104.230 18:29, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

This'll cause some controversy...

http://www.shoptonews.net/2011/11/04/modern-warfare-3-video-takes-things-to-next-level/?ref=nf


Taking it TOO far, if you ask me. 98.113.29.72 19:29, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Specs for PC?

Does anyone know them? I normally wouldn't ask, but my friend offered to hit me up with the PC version for free, so I want to see if I can run it before I take him up on it. TheIMightyJelly 00:00, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

There. - Spetsnaz Logo MW2 MLGISNOT4ME [Talk] - 00:03, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

According to the Steam store:

  • OS: Windows® XP/ Windows® Vista / Windows® 7
  • Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6600 or AMD Phenom™ X3 8750 processor or better
  • Memory: 2 GB RAM
  • Graphics: Shader 3.0 or better 256 MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8600GT / ATI® Radeon™ X1950 or better
  • DirectX®: DirectX® 9.0c or later
  • Hard Drive: 16 GB free hard drive space
  • Sound: DirectX® 9.0c or later
  • Internet: Broadband connection and service required for Multiplayer Connectivity. Internet connection required for activation.

Raven's wing Talk00:04, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks guys, I can actually run this!TheIMightyJelly 02:57, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Looks like I need a new graphics card :(

Turbulence

The game has already been released in Kuwait, SPOILERS!!!!! The mission turbulence takes place on a Russian airplane from the Russian president on the way to Hamburg, the plane gets high jacked and eventually crash lands.... Italic text

Don't make it official until after MIDNIGHT tonight.

(EvErLoyaLEagLE Talk 18:05, November 7, 2011 (UTC))

Transcripts

Some people have gotten their games early and have already uploaded gameplay/walkthroughs on YouTube. I am currently working on the first transcripts as we speak, so please, no one add any transcript pages just yet. Once I get them up, you may add or edit any additional information I may have missed.

(EvErLoyaLEagLE Talk 20:46, November 7, 2011 (UTC))


Vandalism

Ok some guy with access to the locked page just vandalized this in case you haven't noticed. Why has no one taken it down? And who was the one responsible and had the ability to do so? 67.149.184.31 14:51, November 8, 2011 (UTC)


I don't know. I think it was a little unecessary, I was about to fix something on the Locations page, This page says that there are level/s taking place in Moscow, Russia, there are none. I went to delete it and got a big "Page Locked" shoved in my face 24.224.198.152 06:52, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Prestige shop?

There need's to be more info about the prestige shop! What the hell is a "Hardened/veteran package"? Does "unlock gear" mean you can unlock ANYTHING perminantly (weapons, perks, equipment, pointstreak rewards)? I heard "double XP" only lasted for two hours, but Double Weapon XP is perminant? And does it only apply to a spacific weapon you choose? "Extra custom class" is pretty staightforward though.


And all of these only cost 1 Prestige point? Or is one valued above the other?

story

who wrote the story for MW3 —Unsigned comment was added by Pineneedle43

Possable "NOVA-6"?

In the campain mission where you kill "Warobey" he begs for the gas mask while there's a green gas filling the room, could this green gas be NOVA-6? And in Paris there is this Green Gas" I am starting to think the russians/Makrov recovers the NOVA-6.


(NOTHING TO DO WITH TOPIC BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD ALSO KNOW) ]


The remains of "Ghost" I found what the dog-tags said on kill confirmed in THEATER. the name said


NAME: Simon "GHOST"

DATE: 1987(or some 2 last numbers) -2011 (mabey when sheperd kills him?)

and then some wrighting that the other dog tag peice covers. 24.30.88.154 18:54, November 14, 2011 (UTC)Isolovegames of roblox

Green Gas =/= NOVA SIX. It could be any number of different gaseous chemical weapons. Raven's wing Talk19:32, November 14, 2011 (UTC)


The green gas is simply a deadly chemical agent. Shepherd killed Ghost in 2009, when MW2 was released (assuming MW2 wasn't supposed to take place in 2011). It says 2011 because.. this is the year 2011, and you just killed the guy. You're honestly reading too much into it. 24.3.96.215 21:50, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

MW2 and 3 are in 2016. Raven's wing Talk21:53, November 14, 2011 (UTC)
i wish they should tie them together


Ghost was killed in 2016.ZH115Zombie Problems?COD_zombies_dance.gif02:17, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

What happen to the trivia?

simple question. The trivia in MW3 is gone. Can this be put back up? GunsSwordsFlames 03:18, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I will do it momentarily. In the future, don't be afraid to do it yourself. Shotrocket6 03:23, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

No trivia=good. Trivia isn't needed, and rarely offers anything to the article. File:Ireland flag.gifCoaZTalkFile:Ireland flag.gif 03:27, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

This may be off topic, but it is related to trivia so I decided it was better to place it here rather than create a new topic. isnt Modern Warfare 3 the first since call of duty 3 not to include a bonus "mission" at the end? Im assuming MW1 had a bonus mission since it says as much in the trivia, WaW had Nacht der Untoten(it may be zombies but it still was a mission of sorts) MW2 had the Museum and BO had Five. Good enough to edit the trivia?Shvooky 16:31, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Daily/Weekly Challenges

There are Daily and Weekly challenges. How should we go about mentioning them? Should we keep track of them as they change (NOT keeping a history, that would be far too much work.) Ryemccrory 18:08, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

MW3 Maps

In the game, there are five multiplayer maps that are disabled in ground war, yet on the pages here on the Wikia it says "all modes." fix? (Hardhat, Lockdown, Dome, Mission, Carbon)

And by the way, why do you think they would disable these for ground war? Obviously, with the exception of Dome, I think all are capable of 18 player matches.


Incidentally, these maps are also community favorites. Keep in mind that Hardhat and Dome, maybe Mission are amongst the smallest maps in-game, thus rendering them less suitable for the huge lobbies of Ground War. ninjun, the Epic Ducky 02:09, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Modern Warfare 3 Cover

Who do you all think is on the cover of MW3? My guess is that it's "Frost".  :) Dawth Mawl 10:40, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

MW3 failing

Guys, tell me if you feel the same but I don't think MW3 is better than Black ops. It's a fucking OP weapon fest. The FMG9s are still bad, the T95's patch didn't do shit, the ACR has no recoil and kills you instantly, the MP7 is just an ACR, PP90M1 and the P90 are becoming the next FAMAS and AUG, and people are starting to chose the same maps over and over again. Seriously? I'm fucking sick of playing on Dome, Seatown, Arkadan, Village, Carbon and ESPECTUALLY mission. Do any of you agree or are you people just going to do stupid shit and troll or start telling me everything is fine. EVERYTHING IS NOT FINE ON THIS GAME. This has to be the worst balanced game ever in COD history.


Call me Crazy 07:48, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Watch your mouth, Crazywarfire! You will be banned once an admin reads your complaint. Oh, by the way. If you want to rant and complain about Modern Warefare 3, then go over and rant and yell at the people of Infinity Ward and Sledge Hammer. We wikians are on here only to improve articles concerning Modern Warfare 3, not to draw in colorful complaints. I mean, what in Captain John Price's name are we suppose to do? Dawth Mawl 02:34, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


Dude...You're a troll... Call me Crazy 01:40, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

I love how people think that raging on a wiki is going to solve any problems there might be in a game. Why don't you e-mail or tweet 402 if you feel this strongly about "OP weapons"? Sgt. S.S. 19:31, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ohohohoh, how smart you are for coming here and ranting about a game! "OH, teh gaem is unblancde and teh waepnos aer OP!1!!111!!!11". Look, mate, I respect your opinions and all, but this is a talk page, meant for discussiong the article and not the game itself. You could create a blog and tell your problems with the game, but if you do, you're gonna get a lot of flak. And don't treat your opinion as a fact, as a lot of people like MW3. I'm Commander Shepard and I should go 19:40, January 25, 2012 (UTC)


Ok I admit. I was quote "Raging" unquote at the time. This post is a bit old now and my opinions have changed. So just forget I ever put this up. Call me Crazy 03:27, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

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