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Err... Crossbow? Chubbaking 16:04, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
In the trailer i saw, there were attachments (some of which seem moot, like a silencer) and i was just wondering if that seemed like that was a silencer on the end of the barrell. 184.108.40.206 16:55, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe it's a souped-up version of the PTRS-41... What do you guys think?
Can't be a PTRS-41. The PTRS-41 isn't bolt-action. Daniel Smith
- If you look close, it looks like a KAR-98k or a Moist Nugget. Slowrider7 21:29, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm tempted to say it's the R700 because it was around than AND it was modern at the time 1-10 00:15, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
- I did notice that it looked similar to the Mosin-Nagant under the Sight... JerryWiffleWaffle 00:27, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
- True it sorta does but the barrel is too long 1-10 00:45, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
- "Moist Nugget". LOL. General Geers 10:02, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, sorry... I didn't notice the bolt-action... ninjun
- the profile looks like an HK SL8 rifle -spiderk
- People, this is a FAKE gun. Nuff said, but it is based on several real weapons combined though. Elavenger209 03:29, June 21, 2011 (UTC) BO chupa huevos.
This weapon, Could it be an upgraded and upscaled L96A1? because, it's bolt action, it's a sniper rifle, has a similar, if not identical firing sound. Also, maybe all who buy the Escalation map pack can get the sniper rifle not only for Zombies, but for Create a Class Gloryman3 19:53, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
personally i though it was what happens when an L96A1 had babies with a crossbow. Same reload animation with the bolt action sound and firing sound it even feels the same but not for create a class a 5000 damage sniper rifle well technically it'll just be a crossbow ith a sniper scope Ztormtrooper 03:34, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
Move protected Edit
- What's wrong with it? (I am serious btw) and I am assuming they'll unprotect it completely once the map pack is out. Carbonite 0 21:09, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see what's wrong with it, but in all honesty I don't give a fuck if it's named wrongly. There were at least three separate double redirects to this page and it was a hell of a mess to clean up. I'll unprotect it when it's released, but until then you can wait until Wednesday 3rd. Smuff[citation provided] 21:15, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Name it to Scavenger (weapon) because I haven't seen an article the says (Sniper Rifle) 22:10, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see what's wrong with it, but in all honesty I don't give a fuck if it's named wrongly. There were at least three separate double redirects to this page and it was a hell of a mess to clean up. I'll unprotect it when it's released, but until then you can wait until Wednesday 3rd. Smuff[citation provided] 21:15, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
Can't we call it Scavenger (weapon) like alll the others?
BTW where'd you find out what the name was?
The name is in the achievments and in the coding
Joseph Tan 02:20, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
- It'll get change once the move protect is removed and I believe it was found in game coding or files. Carbonite 0 02:55, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
- Really? Where abouts? I didn't see anything, General Geers 08:50, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
Scavenger scope Edit
Has anyone noticed that the scope bears a striking resemblance to the F2000 Scope/Red Dot from MW2? Im not talking about the reticle. Just the appearance of it.
i thought the sight felt familar and tahts what it was huh it looks weird on a sniper Ztormtrooper 03:36, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
They look the same but its not the same scope. Why would you install realness in a fake gun? Elavenger209 03:31, June 21, 2011 (UTC) BO chupa huevos
Infrared? Zombies have body heat? In the arctic? Bioniclepluslotr 21:33, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
I mean its the laws of nature,if a zombie is moving,its muscles thus creating friction which equals heat.even if its dead its gotta use whatever mussel its got left to move ZOMBIE BAIT 368 11:06, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
I seriously doubt that the zombies move with an animal related to the clam? That horrible monkey 21:18, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
technically true, because the zombies are half-alive, thus the reason they can generate body heat.
ALPHA WOLF 115 12:01, May 9, 2012
Scavenger kills romero Edit
It has been shown in a video that the scavenger (PaP, at least) can kill romero
Not Infrared Enough Edit
Well I got this baby out of the box and decided to Pack-A-Punch it for fun and noticed it actually had an infrared scope. I immediately wondered if you could see Nikolai, Tank and Rictofen. You can't. Don't try. Lol. Off-note, the weapon is a total badass when PAP'd. (XThOrAx 01:21, May 5, 2011 (UTC))
- Not surprising, assuming that the cold probably froze everyone (except zombies, for whatever reason). Bioniclepluslotr 02:39, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
- Huh, I never noticed that. What I don't get is that you can actually SEE the zombies on the infrared scope. Zombies are technacly dead, thus their bodies would be dead cold, but you can see them and their "body heat" in the scope. I don't get it. And FYI, not to be rude or anything, but Nikolai, Dempsey, Richtofen, and Takeo are only in an easter egg behind a locked door and you play as celebs.
- Zombiehunter115 02:14, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
- yo, its an INFRA DEAD sight as in "IT SEES DEAD THINGS"
Wonder weapon Edit
I think that we can class this weapon as a wonder weapon... Because an explosive sniper does not exist in real life... Knightofgrenoble 01:15, May 5, 2011 (UTC)Knightofgrenoble
I already consider it one. It's better than the Thundergun in my book. (XThOrAx 01:21, May 5, 2011 (UTC))
I agree Knightofgrenoble I think it should be considerd a wonder weapn,not just a weapon.ZOMBIE BAIT 368 11:08, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
I would say this is more of a wonder weapon than the V-R11 is, however unlike the Thundergun and the Wunderwuffe, it's damage isn't infinite. It begins to create crawlers at about round 35, so the Thundergun and Wunderwuffe are superior to it.
I think it is a wonder weapon too. First, the explosion is very particular ; no explosion is like this in real life. Besides, like Knightofgrenoble said, no explosive sniper exist in real life. Finally, it kills in one hit until round 35 and is good to get rid of Romero, so it is definitly a Wonder Weapon.
I also think it is a wonder weapon because of the explosion made by it, not only that it is a yellow burst but of its range too. Also, this game is set in the Cold War and they could not have this kind of technology in our world back than. Don't be stupid, it's a wonder weapon. Also, to the person who commented 2 paragraphs up, how the f*** did you get that far? AbsorrTotal Gamer Talk 18:52, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
i agree it may look like a sniper rifle mixed with a crossbow but the explosion looks unearthly sort of like the arrow realeased gas( maybe element 115 was used in teh arrows) Ztormtrooper 03:38, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
Anyone else realize the name? Edit
In Ascension you can spell Hyena using the lander. Hyena must be a someone's name. Someone find some info GOOGOGOGOGOGOG. (XThOrAx 01:23, May 5, 2011 (UTC))
Well, a Hyena is a rather scavenger-like animal, so it's already justified. I doubt it would strongly refer to any person. Cool fool 02:47, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
What does that have to do with the gun Scavenger?02:53, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
The Scavenger upgraded is called the Hyena Infra-Dead
Nothing in the story of zombies has [a] "hyena' in it. I read the Kassimir Mechanism node page and it said LUNA was next to HITSAM and HYENA in the code, but HYENA has an unkown effect. That's freaking scary. Nik nik2121 02:15, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
Actually at Der Reise written on a chalk board in the animal testing labs is the word Hyena,I think the hell hounds resemble hyenas mixed maybe with another bigger dog.So it vey well could be part of the story,Fluffy could have been a hyena??ZOMBIE BAIT 368 11:12, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
Well, I'd strongly consider the fact that the scientist Harvey Yena was the creator of the Scavenger, hence the initials, H.YENA (Hyena Infra-Dead)
Not a Wonder Weapon? Edit
I was just wondering why this weapon isn't listed as a Wonder Weapon, because I'm pretty sure it falls under that category seeing as it only appears in zombies and seems like an unrealistic gun like the other Wonder Weapons
This gun definitely sounds like a Wonder Weapon - considering that it's a unique and very unrealistic weapon that's extremely effective and can only be obtained from the mystery box. In all honesty, it sounds more effective than the V-R11 (I'm on PS3, so I can't actually can't try it yet). A mod definitely should move this to the Wonder Weapons category. 220.127.116.11 01:57, May 9, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think this is a Wonder Weapon. Wonder Weapons are all sci-fi looking and fire energy or other sorts of non-solid projectiles. The Scavenger is just a fictional sniper rifle. Bioniclepluslotr 02:00, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
- doesn't the smoke released by the arrows or whatever is shot look interesting as if teh arrows had a gaseous 115 in it huh huh maybe the energy is in the arrows Ztormtrooper 03:41, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
I do think it's a wonder weapon, cuz every wonder weapon is a non-real weapon. Has anyone made an explosive round sniper rifle? i don't think so. it's a wonder weapon.
Zombiehunter115 23:28, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
Reload Animation Edit
anybody else noticed that it has the same reload animation as the Intervention from MW2? just sayin'...
-Its the reload animation of the l96a1, not the intervention, its just similar because they are both magazine fed bolt action rifles Fastandslow7 01:04, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
What the hell are you talking about? You've obviously never played MW2. It's the Intervention. Open your eyes and research your information before you troll. Look up a video on the Scavenger and the Intervention, you'll see the animations are the same. Besides, the L96A1 is already in Zombies. 1337 SPNKR 01:16, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
It even is proven that it's the Cheytac Intervention's animation re-used from MW2. Elavenger209 03:33, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
Why it's saying that it has the same animation like the L96A1 in the trivia again, it's the intervention's animation (and scope)...
I'm done being polite about this. What do you people not understand about naming pages properly? "Weapon" is not a proper noun. So why would we capitalize it in a page title? -- CoD addict (talk) - 01:21, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
It a title format thing. Nik nik2121 02:17, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
HYENA INFRA-DEAD --> LINK TO ASCENSION? Edit
The gun upgraded is called the HYENA Infra-Dead. Remember how with the letters and the lunar landers in Ascension, the word Hyena was programmed in?
Boom. There goes your mind. Go find stuff about it now. - The Man With The Plan
Even though I just read someone put the same thing. Someone should totally go on Ascension with both of these downloaded and see if something happens when you spell Hyena this time. To act like some idiotic rumorist, "OOH MAYBE YOU'LL GO TO PARADISE WHO KNOWS????" But seriously. Someone should do it just to see if something does happen. - The Man With The Plan
well how many zombies will it kill at once like 24?
the damage stats the word "high" which is an inaccurate guess by som1 but could this gun have infinte damage?
well i don't know making it infinte havn't gone far enough but we should have a discussion about it before you make guess
according to the wiki its 5000 not pack a punched and 11000 pack a punched Ztormtrooper 03:41, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
The Damage CANNOT be 5000 Non-PAP and 11,000 PAP, the Scavenger is a OHK until round 34. Round 34 Zombies have 9000 health. There is also no noticeable damage difference between the PAP and non-PAP versions, they both are 2 hit kill weapons after round 34.
i believe your right the difference is the larger radius meaning killing more zombies
(18.104.22.168 22:07, June 13, 2011 (UTC))
im adding infinte Edit
well since no one changed it i i will add infinte just because it is very powerful upgraded acts like a gersch device if u kill them all u won't see them
- Not infinite. It's an explosion, like a grenade, so it deals high damage, but won't kill enemies further away, just hurt them. Bioniclepluslotr 02:02, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
it says around round 35 it make crawlers there no proof in this
- Try it yourself. Bioniclepluslotr 02:03, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
- well i hve ps3 could u do it and link it would be thankful
It is a wonder weapon Edit
It is totally a wonder weapon. If you agree then change it so it is in the wonder weapon category.HCSnDFTW 23:47, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Didn't someone already discuss this with you? It's not a Wonder Weapon. Carbonite 0 23:51, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Wonder Weapon: A weapon that is so powerful, or has such abilities that make it from out of this world.
- Scavenger: A goddamn sniper rifle.- 23:54, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
What is unwonder weaponish about the Scavenger? It fires a torpedo that has delayed fire and explodes in a furious red and orange explosion. It obviously could use one-fifteen.HCSnDFTW 00:27, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
Basically, a crossbow in bullet form. Plus it's like a fuse detonation of rifle grenades but not exactly like one. Elavenger209 03:37, June 21, 2011 (UTC) BO chupa huevos.
Umm... guys... a Wonder Weapon is a weapon that is unique and is not something that exists in real life so yes its a wonder weapon and i dont care if someonee has discussed this before
CounterShift 02:50, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
Not the first to say this though, but I seriously think this weapon should be classified as a Wonder Weapon, as it doesn't exist in real life or elsewhere in the game, it has very high damage, it special in some way (a sniper that uses explosive rounds) and is apparently made by Group 935 as its logo appears on the side of the weapon. If Ray Gun is a Wonder Weapon, this should be too. I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be.07:15, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
Its not a wonder weapon as all the others the reason is that this is jsut an fantantsic crossbox because the ray is plasma the wunderwaffe electricity and the thunder air winter howl's ice v-r11 the ability to turn people back into human and the gersch device is a black hole therfore it cannot be a wonder weapon but i do see where your getting your point from (Demseystyle1 14:36, May 18, 2011 (UTC))
Translated into readable writing: Its not a wonder weapon as this is just a fantastic crossbow because the Ray Gun uses plasma, the Wunderwaffe uses electricity, the Thundergun uses air, the Winter's Howl uses ice, the V-R11 turns people back into humans and the Gersch device creates a Black Hole, so the Scavenger can't be a wonder weapon but I do see your point of view.
My actual statement:
The Ray Gun is a Wonder Weapon because of the achievement Aquire Waffle Weapons from World at War, which confirms that it is a Wonder Weapon.
Wunderwaffe literally means Wonder Weapon, and is part of Aquire Waffle Weapons.
As for the Scavenger, it might not be classified as a Wonder Weapon due to the fact it only has one usage:
Like how the Winter's Howl is designed to be useful with escapes and reviving.
The Monkey Bombs are also part of Aquire Waffle Weapons, thus becoming a Wonder Weapon.
The Gersch Device is essentially a Monkey Bomb which is a Wonder Weapon, however it is vital in completing the Mechanism in Ascension too.
The Matroshyaka Dolls are a unique grenade all together, and also are vital in the Mechanism.
The V-R11 is a Wonder Weapon because it does not damage, and it's only purpose is similair to the Monkey Bombs/Gersch Device. It is also required (Pack-A-Punched) to fend of George A. Romero and plays a role in the Original Characters Trapped easter egg.
The Scavenger, however, is essentially a Crossbow that does more damage (note to the above message), plays no (needed) role in any easter eggs, is not needed to kill George A. Romero, does not do infinite damage (as opposed to the other primary Wonder Weapons, aside from the Ray Gun, Winter's Howl (however, the Howl does no initial damage, but instantly kills on a second shot) and V-R11) and aside from it's appearence, is not unique in any way, as opposed to the other Wonder Weapons.
--Gruntijackal, the impending demise draws near 15:16, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
However... The weapon does not exist in real life, and all your reasons for calling the other weapons wonder weapons (Appearance, Easter Egg usage, Intended use(Which is stupid in its own right as there is no intended use for any of the weapons, just suggested use), etc.) are not enough of an argument. The Scavenger has a unique design, uses a non-existant type of ammo with ridiculous range, was created by group 935 and, based on game files, is more potent than a ray gun, So I do beleive it should be a wonder weapon.
Also, just a correction, The V-R11 is not required to deal with George. In fact it only sends him away with no reward.
Well i thank you for correcting my grammer and i see your point but if you notice as i said before its just like a crossbow but with amazing damage nearly all the wonder weapons has a purpose but the scavenger its just an gun with high damage (22.214.171.124 21:20, May 18, 2011 (UTC))
Oh and another thing (which I forgot), you can have more than one Scavenger at a time. This is much unlike the other primary Wonder Weapons (except the Ray Gun). --Gruntijackal, the impending demise draws near 06:29, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
I forgot somthing aswell all the wonderweapons does somthing normal guns wouldn't do. and since when can get more then one(Demseystyle1 20:19, May 19, 2011 (UTC))
You have been able to have more than one Scavenger since Call of the Dead came out. And the V-R11 is required in Original Characters Trapped, not suggested. The Thundergun is required for the Kassimir Mechanism. And if the achievement calls the Wunderwaffe/Monkey Bombs/Ray Gun waffle weapons, then they are 'waffle' (wonder) weapons. The fact that the V-R11 (upgraded) is the only weapon to deal with George in 1 shot is also worthy of wonder weapon status. If the Wonder Weapons wern't unique, they wouldn't be wonder weapons. Also, the Scavenger does not have a ridiculous range, considering that the sniper rifles have the same range. --Gruntijackal, the impending demise draws near 11:28, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
It IS a wonder weapon. There is no such thing as a sniper that shoots explosive sonic boom thingies out of it. Who CARES if it's not needed in any eatereggs or in any acheivmens. It IS a wonder weapon. HellHoundSlayer 12:11, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
There's also no such thing as a Pack-A-Punch machine, should we consider all the Pack-A-Punched weapons Wonder Weapons? They don't exist. All the weapons in zombies should be wonder weapons because of them magically appearing off chalk drawing or from a wooden box. --Gruntijackal, the impending demise draws near 19:28, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
Look all wonder weapons have somthing different then any other gun as i said before as the ray gun uses plasma, the wunderwaffe uses electricity the monkey bomb distarcts zombies the thundergun blows zombies away the gersch device is a black whole the dolls are cluster bomb and the v-r11 turns zombies back into human
so they all have it's purpose in a trophy or easter egg or boss unlike the Scavenger which uses invention reload it's non pap scope is like any sniper and it is bolt actionn like a few guns and like the croosbow you have to wait for it to explode i admit that i get your point as a wonder weapon BUT it has nothing unique
(Demseystyle1 22:17, May 21, 2011 (UTC))
So Winters Fury isn't a wonder weapon cause no one has mentioned it and it's not usable in an easter egg?
Scavenger DOES have a purpose in a trophy/acheivement, the one to get ten kills with one shot from over 100 IMOfeet away ( or something), and since there are no trophies about non-wonder weapons, IMO it is one. but wtf, we'll have to wait for treyarch to confirm or deny it. 126.96.36.199 14:24, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Cough* Crossbow *Cough*. Gruntijackal (Talk) - You Drove Them Deep into the Heart of the Reich You thought they were dead... You were wrong
Crossbow my ass. Have you EVER seen an explosion like the Scavenger's? And just because it is similar to the crossbow because it shoots bolts that explode does NOT justify what you are saying. Again as others have said it, Wonder Weapons are strange and unique weapons that are not necesarily powerful but are some of the best for fighting zombies (even the VR-11 because it does it in its own unique way) and have never been seen in real life (for now). Has an explosive sniper rifle ever been made in real life? Perhaps it has but have you EVER seen the explosion of the Scavenger produced in real life? It can vaporize zombies with one of it's explosions. I classify the Scavenger as a Wonder Weapon. CounterShift 03:04, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
Call of the Dead guns Edit
I added a trivia to the Lightning Bolt, which needs to be added to the scavenger too. I cbf'ed to make an account right now so I'd appreciate if someone else did.
Can we get some reason to put this in? Right now it sounds like simple speculation. 188.8.131.52 04:28, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
Most things on here is speculation. But the trivia section should be speculation's home. Gruntijackal (Talk) - You Drove Them Deep into the Heart of the Reich You thought they were dead... You were wrong
Scavenger=Sniper Version of Wunderwaffe/My view on if its a Wonder Weapon Edit
Alright, Now I know theres a lot of controversy between whether the Scavenger is a wonder weapon or not. Personally, I think it is, but thts not important right now. I maybe the only one to think this, but, isnt the Scavenger just a Sniper version of the Wunderwaffe DG-2. Think about it! Both were created by Group 935, both hold 3 rounds, both hold 6 Pack A Punched as well, same amount of reserve ammo, and has a chain affect on the zombies. In WaW, the Wunderwaffe could kill 24 zombies in a row, so does the Scavenger in Call of the Dead. What I think is that, the Wunderwaffe didn't have an amazing affect as far as range, so when they found Peter and Harvey, they designed the Scavenger, it was made to be a long ranged Wunderwaffe, so it could demolish tanks, planes, and troops. But, the war ended and all of it was lost. Now, Hyena can be spelled in Ascension, so, I think that the Russians got their hands on it, it wasn't featured in Ascension because of the Russian fighting ways. Remember, Russia manufactured SMG's at the millions, thinking fill the air with lead. They didn't want old bolt action rifles like the Mosin Nagent, because they needed troops fast, and it required less training. The Scavenger was a bolt action gun, so it had no use to the Soviets, thus, it was sent to Siberia, which was in the USSR during the time in Black Ops. Because it possibly contained Element 115, it infected the crewmen, causing the zombie outbreak. Thats my theroy. As for it being a Wonder Weapon, it is. Again, it doesn't matter if it was used in an Easter Egg, or if it acts like a crossbow. The Thunder Gun in someways, acts like a LAW Upgraded, except zombies don't get up. And even if it not being in an Easter Egg is the main reason why it isn't a wonder weapon, the Fly Trap Easter Egg doesn't need a Wonder Weapon, it could be used by any Pack A Punched gun. You think a Thompson, BAR, or Kar98 upgraded is a Wonder Weapon. And the fly trap is in Black ops, if the buyer got the Hardened/Prestige Edition.Americangunner521 20:51, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
I'm just gonna throw in my two cents here, nice theory. One issue though, the Scavenger does not cause a chain affect, it simply destroys anything thats in its explosive range (much like the Thundergun's blast). The Wunderwaffe hits one, then takes time to spread to each individual zombie, as opposed to destroying them all. Gruntijackal (Talk) - You Drove Them Deep into the Heart of the Reich You thought they were dead... You were wrong
Who added wonder weapon Edit
Just a little bit interested how is this gun a wonder weapon i mean all wonder weapons has something unique ill explain:
The Ray gun uses plasa not normal round (No other gun is like this)
The Wunderwaffe DG-2 is electricity and links a chain and has infinte damage(No other gun is like this)
The Monkey Bomb has a monkey attachted and distarct zombies(No other grenade like this apart from the Gersch Device which is another wonder weapon)
The Thundergun is a compacted amount of air that can blow zombies away and has infinte damage but only close range(No other gun like this)
The Winter's Howl is a gun that can turn the zombies into ice and freeze them(no other gun like this)
The Matryoshka Dolls is a bunch of grenades that go in random direction and it has infinte damage(No other grenade like this)
The Gersch Device that suck zombies into a black hole (no other grenade like this but it simliar to a monkey bomb)
The V-R11 is a gun that turn zombies back into their human form and get's rid of romero for a round if shot in the water(No other gun like this)
The Scavenger is a gun that is bolt action shares simliar reload of the intervation and like a crossbow it will not explode straight away (Not unique)
(Demseystyle1 15:04, May 27, 2011 (UTC))
- Just because it reuses animations doesn't mean that it's not "unique". It matches all the basis for all other Wonder Weapons: rarity, low ammo, extremely powerful, made by Group 935, and is not a real weapon in any sort of way. There has never been an explosive sniper rifle in Call of Duty. Bioniclepluslotr 02:59, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
- Rarity? All weapons have the same chance of dropping. And it can be used by more than one person, making it more of a 'common' weapon from the Box if anything. The Ray Gun is an exception, as nearly all sources from the Zombies storyline and achievements point to it being a Wonder Weapon.
- On another point, the Winter's Howl has shown no sign to be created by 935, and is a wonder weapon. I'm pretty sure that the Matryoshka Dolls and the Gersch Device were not made by Group 935 (as the Gersch Device was made by Yuri, who's not part of 935). Group 935 makes a lot of weapons, but just because they make it doesn't make it a wonder weapon. The V-R11 also shows no sign of being made by 935. Half of the confirmed wonder weapons aren't made by Group 935, should we consider them to be normal weapons beause of this? No.
- The Ballistic Knife, Crossbow, M72 LAW and China Lake all feature low ammunition and high power.
- And for future points, Element 115 can neither support nor deny a weapon's status as a Wonder Weapon, as Pack-A-Punch weapons, and a lot of Zombies equipment and utilities are powered by the element. Gruntijackal (Talk) - You Drove Them Deep into the Heart of the Reich You thought they were dead... You were wrong
- To Help Bionics point:
- A. The Scavenger can not be used by more than one person, never seen that happen anywhere, so yes it is rare.
- B. The Ballistic Knife, Crossbow, M72 LAw, and China LAke are not high powered. Just being explosive, at least in zombies, does not give a weapon high power. On round 13 the crossbow no longer kills efficently, the ballistic knife can't by round 9 and the LAW and CHina LAke can't efficently kill after Round 16. The Scavenger, like most killing wonder weapons, is an effective killer even past round 30, just like the Wunder-waffe, Ray Gun, Thundergun etc.
- C. Pack-a-punch weapons are just upgraded weapons. They are not really applicable to this debate just because 115 upgrades them. Equipment and Utilities aren't really weapons in general, so i don't know what your trying to say when you say that its silly that being powered by 115 makes a weapon a wonder weapon.
- The Scavenger can be used by more than one person, and like I said before all weapons have the same chance of dropping, otherwise it wouldn't be a 'mystery' or a 'random' box. Just because you've never seen that happen doesn't make it so.
- They still have high power, if you look at their damage it is considered high. Plus, not killing 'efficiently' is rather redundant when we are talking about the Scavenger, which can kill you when you fire it further away than the other explosive weapons. That's not very effective. I also advice you not mention PhD Flopper as it causes you to be immune to all the explosive weaponry previously mentioned.
- Aside from the Ray Gun (which is an exception due to other things confirming it being a Wonder Weapon), the Wonder Weapons all do infinite damage. The Winter's Howl might be random, but it instantly kills when it actually does damage on all rounds. The explosion made by the V-R11 has infinite damage. The Wunderwaffe, Thundergun, Gersch Device and the Matroyshaka dolls always kill on every round. The Monkey Bomb can gib a zombie, but only when it is on the very edge of it's explosive range or if another zombie is in the way the damage is cushioned.
- Utilities still use 115, and did I mention that they were weapons?
- Additionally, 115 is used in a Pack-A-Punch machine, thus the weapons are obviously effected by the 115, and if your point is applied to this debate, then the Scavenger has shown no sign of being powered by 115, in radios or in gameplay. Not that it matters.
- Hehe, thats funny. You mention that it's a good killer past round 30, when that's when it begins to lose it's power.
can you guys debunk in any way that the scavenger isnt a wonder weapon without repeating any of that crap which is basically irrelevant because all it does is just prove all other wonder weapons are infact wonder weapons without proving the scavenger isnt one. and why is it not special? just because it shares similarities to other guns? you should probably consider a sniper rifle that shoots exploding bullets to be one of the the most unique things treyarch has made in a while. furthermore who cares if the scavenger is obtainable by all players so is the raygun and they are both created by group 935 and the scavenger is more than likely created by harvey yena, a member of 935 as it abreviates his name into the pack apunched version (h.yena) so unless u can get confirmation that its not a wonder weapon then its safe to say that it can be classified as one for now.—Unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206
- No. On this wiki, the absence of evidence is not evidence to the contrary. Without confirmation, coming down on either side of the fence is speculation. 08:00, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Still not confirmed as a wonder weapon Edit
Now that what i say into your mind before you argue back the Scavenger is not a wonder weapon the reasons saying this is because nothing special
Normal Scope (Not PaP)
INfraded scope (you can get this online)
Variable zoom (other sniper pap have this)
(Demseystyle1 10:43, June 4, 2011 (UTC))
Well you don't have to believe me i mean my thought
(220.127.116.11 11:16, June 5, 2011 (UTC))
Okay so I'm sick of this Edit
I don't really no why, but all this fighting about whether or not it is a wonder weapon really bothers me. So I'm just gonna clear something's up.
. It does not look as "fantastic" as the other wonder weapons . It is not required for an Easter egg . It does not have infinite power . It does not have an alternate use . It is built out of pieces of other weapons and re-uses the interventions animations
. It is built by group 935 . It is powered by 115 . It can kill multiple zombies in one shot . It does not exist in real life . It's ammo does not exist in real life . Fired rounds have an interesting effect of a spiraling tail and then a charging sound . It can injure the player . It would be the sniper version of the wonder weapons (i.e Ray-Gun=Pistol, Thundergun=Shotgun, Monkey Bomb=Grenade, etc.)
Arguments against Reasons against:
. It doesn't necessarily need to look interesting. The Matryoshka dolls look pretty boring and they are a wonder weapon. The Scavenger also does have a unique design . The Winters Howl, Wunder-waffe, and Matroshka dolls are not required in Easter eggs either . Similar to the above, except in this case the alternate use lacking weapons are the Thundergun, Matryoshka dolls, and Wunderwaffe . A weapons animations shouldn't be a reason for a lack of classification
Arguments against Reasons for: . Group 935 also built the traps, perk machines, and pack-a-punch. None of thise are classified as Wonder Weapons. Same as 115 . The LAW, China Lake, Crossbow, and grenades can kill multiple zombies in one round as well, just in lower rounds . None of the Pack-A-Punch weapons exist either, nor does their ammo . The launchers mentioned above can also injure the player
Analysis and Verdict:
Despite many factors that would seem to take away it's Wonder Weapon status, two arguments really stand in the way. The weapons ammo when fired definitely has wonder weapon qualities. High power, interesting visual and Audio effect, travel time. Also, what is truly wrong with having a wonder weapon sniper rifle? Would it really be that "wrong" to call it a wonder weapon
The Weapon does have some flaws, it definitely does not look like a wonder weapon and power of 115 cannot guarantee it the wonder weapon spot.
However comparing the Scavenger, a new and unique weapon powered by 115, to a pack-a-punch weapon, a old weapon UPGRADED to utilize 115, seems to be an unfair comparison.
It is with that, that my personal opinion and final verdict, is that the Scavenger is a Wonder Weapon. Damac1214
Look all wonder weapon does somthing special eg. black holes (gersch Device)
So as i have always said during this arguement is this sniper fully automatic NO its bolt action serval snipers are like this and it has a normal scopr and when upgraded it has infraded scope somthing you can aquire online and like other upgraded sniper it gain a variable zoom all wonder weapon are required to affect the zombie in a way ill explain:
Ray gun makes crawlers and since uses plasma is a wonder weapon and required for the mechanissim which is an EASTER EGG
The wunderwaffe DG-2 often makes zombie statues and links a chain AND uses electricity obviously a wonder weapon and the player recieves it when doing the call of the dead EASTER EGG
The Monkey bomb disarcts zombies and if thrown in a furace in der reise sam talkes which is an EASTER EGG
The Thundergun blowns zombies away and is another must for the mechanissim which is an EASTER EGG
Now the winter's howl freezes zombies or slows them down but it is not required for an easter egg but five doesn't really increase the story line
the Gersch Device creates a black hole which sucks zombies in and is a must for the ascension EASTER EGG
The matryoshka dolls are a bunch of grenades that go in a random directions and is required for the ascension EASTER EGG
The V-R11 turns zombies into humans and is a must for the EASTER EGG in call of the dead.
The scavenger when shot explodes the zombies with a delay much simliar to the crosbow and no uses for easter eggs are used
The Kassimir Mechanism, Original Characters Trapped, Fly Trap and other, minor, easter eggs are what you refer to. There's nothing wrong with a Sniper Rifle Wonder Weapon, but after all this arguing I know nobody is going to except the speculation (truth or false) on it's status. The only way to determine if it truly is a Wonder Weapon is if Treyarch tells us (much like they did when they said Richtofen's name was Edward). The best solution to a problem is usually the easiest one, and the easiest solution which most people will agree with (or simply can't argue against) is saying that it is left ambigous to whether it is a Wonder Weapon or not. Gruntijackal (Talk) - You Drove Them Deep into the Heart of the Reich You thought they were dead... You were wrong
I agree, its best to wait for Treyarch to tell us. I just wanted to kind of clear things up in one section and give my opinion on the outcome, and Demseystyle, capitalizing easter egg and using it as an argument when I already acknowledged it is not required, it doesn't make me change my mind. Also using only two arguments when I just provided a bunch doesn't help your cause either. Especially since I don't see whats wrong with bolt action just cause other Snipers are bolt-action. Other Rifles are semi-automatic (Wunderwaffe) other Shotguns are semi-automatic (Thundergun) other Grenades explode (Dolls, Monkey Bomb)
But we really should just wait for treyarch to clear this up. :p
Ok i agree but you must reliease that the scavenger has nothing special but i think we can hold down this arguement until Treyarch decides what answer to give us
Yeah, ur right. about everything. exept it doesn't have to have infinit damage to be a wonder weapon. the ray gun doesn't have infinit damage. other than that u've got it right.
Zombiehunter115 00:24, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
I have had enough. The Scavenger is defenitly a wonder weapon.
1. Powered by 115 in BASE FORM.
2. Only ONE person is allowed to use the Scav at a time. I don't know where this bull about more than one person using it came from. Sure, the Ray Gun and Monkeys are usable by multiple people, but the Scav is an Uber wonder weapon.
3. It has damage that allows one hit kill explosions up to round 35, not to mention an enormous explosion. Beat that crossbow.
4. Has the usual atributes tilting it toward the wonder weapon side.
5. It's a CONFIRMED WONDER WEAPON DAMNIT! Go look up a wiki sometime before sprouting out this crap you call info.
Faster Aim Speed? Edit
When playing with the Scavenger on Call of the Dead, I noticed that it ADS speed is faster than the other sniper rifles. Is this true?1337 SPNKR 00:22, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
Its faster than the L96A1, but in Call of the Dead, the Dragunov seems to aim in at the same speed as the Scavenger (just tested it). Gruntijackal (Talk) - You Drove Them Deep into the Heart of the Reich You thought they were dead... You were wrong
So its a wonder weapon now Edit
Good, knew it would be. Damac1214
um.. no still hasn't been confirmed and the reason it still the same because no action has been taken
Since it's not confirmed, the Admins just put it there to prevents anons and users from spamming that it is a Wonder Weapon. We've left it as ambigous until Treyarch decides whether it is or not. Gruntijackal (Talk) - You Drove Them Deep into the Heart of the Reich You thought they were dead... You were wrong
I'll admit, I was tired and bored and trying to stir up trouble when I wrote this. I know its ambiguous, sorry :p Damac1214
In this video You will see damage and every thing about scavenger and even more! Edit
You will see its damage, range, and e.t.c.
Stratigies that you could use with this weapon Edit
This weapon is a kick-ass weapon, but it IS a sniper rifle and zombies is mainly a CQB kind of mode. What I think you could do if you get it from the box, since Call of the Dead is such a big map, is go to the top of the lighthouse(where one of the box spawns is) and give sniper suport. However, I'd recomend having Claymores, Juggernog, and a secondary weapon that you are satisfied with. Put the claymores by the door and once those go off, be carefull of zombies coming at you from inside the lighthouse. If some zombies get to you, let your Jug protect you and pull out you secondary and take them out. If things get too hot, use the zipline that takes you to the bow of the boat. I wouldn't recomend doing that in the higher rounds since so many zombies would be coming for you that you wouldn't be able to give sniper suport. Put down what you think and give your own stratigies.
Zombiehunter115 02:05, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
You could quickscope the zombies in CQB.TristanCODfan 20:40, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
If only Treyarch had put in quickscoping. Just try not to quickscope TOO close. It could work if you have skill, which for the record I don't have.
Zombiehunter115 17:32, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
Group 935 logo on the side? NOT. Edit
Do you peoples really think these are the same logo? I see huge differences. The only similarity is a ring around a circle, with other crap around them. I say we still keep a trivia note about the logo's existence and similarity to Group 935's, but stop calling it a Group 935 logo. Ben Again 17:40, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
Scavenger and Intervention scope Edit
I did some checking on the wiki and found out that the Scavenger and the Intervention have the same scope reticule. I'm not sure if this is already known or not, but here is the comparison that I cropped from both their wiki pages.
Letters "79148" visible on the scope are also on the orange crane that moves the rocket to launch position in Ascension,
Damage is wrong Edit
the damage is wrong because when pack a punched it does not have a increase in damage since both upgraded and non upgraded are a one hit kill until round 35. Also, it does no direct impact damage because you do not get 10 points for a hit and it does not piss off george at direct impact.TristanCODfan 23:40, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
Final Ditch about it being a Wonder Weapon Edit
It's classified as a WW, for several reasons:
- It's very unique
- It's fictional
- Apparently it's made by Harvey Yena, a member of Group 935
- It does tremendous damage
They are needed for an Easter Egg. The Dolls are needed in the Kassimir Mechanism, the Wunderwaffe can be used to start the Fly Trap and the Wave Gun is essential in Richtofen's Grand Scheme. Unique with it's explosion, perhaps, but it is essentially a Crossbow, and this has all been covered by above arguments regardless, and we came to a civilised solution. Gruntijackal (Talk) - You Drove Them Deep into the Heart of the Reich You thought they were dead... You were wrong
Wunderwaffe CAN be used, it isn't required. Besdes, like I've said before, whats the problem with accepting its a wonder weapons?
Due to the fact I don't believe it's a Wonder Weapon for every single reason I've said above. Gruntijackal (Talk) - You Drove Them Deep into the Heart of the Reich You thought they were dead... You were wrong
Since you don't believe it I guess it must be impossible Damac1214 15:38, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
In-game it is a wonder weapon. I am not even going to list the reasons why, because it would be a waste of my time. Period.15:42, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
One more reason:
- Zombies killed by it don't drop power-ups, something unique amongst Wonder Weapons (Thundergun, DG-2, Wave Gun...)
Modified crossbow as it just fires a tip-like shot, which then explodes. I didn't say anything about what happens to the Zombies, and seriously, the articles and the template say it's a Wonder Weapon, why do you care and still debate? Gruntijackal (Talk) - You Drove Them Deep into the Heart of the Reich You thought they were dead... You were wrong
Because the Scavenger cannot be officially called a weapon the wiki respects both your side and our sides views, despite overwhelming evidence that it is a Wonder Weapon. Damac1214 18:31, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
Still the Wunderwaffe DG-2 and the Winters Howl is not needed for an easter egg and so is the wave gun. The Wunderwaffe is only needed for an achievement and if im not correct the Matryoshka dolls arent needed too (check the Kassimir Mechanism page and correct me if im wrong). And what really defines a Wonder Weapon is what MLGisnot4me said above with the exception that it has to be very powerful since the VR-11 does zero damage and just turns them to humans and that it needs to be created by group 935 but i would put that a wonder weapon also has to be some of the best weapons to use against zombies. And yes the Scavenger may be similar to the crossbow because it shoots explosive bolts but the explosion of the crossbow is that of a regular explosion which has been created tons of times in real life but the Scavenger's actually vaporizes zombies which clearly has never happened or has been created in real life. CounterShift 18:20, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
Wunderwaffe DG-2 is not specifically required for the Fly Trap, but it can be used to start and/or contribute to it. The Dolls are part of the last step of the Kassimir Mechanism (along with Porter's X2 Ray Gun, Awful Lawton, Zeus Cannon and the Gersch Device). The Wave Gun is required for the first half of Richtofen's Grand Scheme (making the Egg move from the Satellite, the Ray Gun can be used to move it around otherwise). Just to finish that point. If a Wonder Weapon is a 'very powerful' gun, then the V-R11 (un-upgraded ofc) and the 31-79 JGb215 would not be considered Wonder Weapons since they do no damage. I believe that all nuclear based weapons vaporise humans, but I highly doubt the Scavenger uses technology of nuclear warfare proportions. The 'high damage Wonder Weapon' that needs to counter the V-R11 comes in the form of the Wunderwaffe DG-2. Personally, this particular part of the debate does not matter, because as stated above, the Scavenger has been named a Wonder Weapon on 99% of all pages it is on (excluding the Wonder Weapons Page and The Scavenger's Page itself), so this part of the debate is merely trying to make the rare amount of people who don't believe that the Scavenger is a Wonder Weapon forcefully believe that it is so. Believe it is a Wonder Weapon, don't believe that it is a Wonder Weapon, the bottom line is that the Scavenger is generally considered a Wonder Weapon by over 90% of the Wiki Population, so it does not matter unless the believers are offended that two articles don't specifically say it is a Wonder Weapon. Gruntijackal (Talk) - You Drove Them Deep into the Heart of the Reich You thought they were dead... You were wrong
the scavanger reloads exactly like the intervention from modern warfare 2, my friends and i compared the 2
(Please read the whole comment before replying because I really get annoyed when someone says something I already mentioned) Very well put Gruntijackal, I understand what u mean. And my bad i forgot that the wave gun and matryoshka dolls were needed for an easter egg. (Im just saying this to clarify some thing not to keep the debate going) And actually it would make no difference if you mentioned the fly trap because if the scavenger would appear in der riese (just saying if it WOULD not that it is there) and could be used for the easter egg. and i had said that i knew that a wonder weapon did not need to be powerful just be one of the best guns to fight zombies, be fictional etc. and that you did not defend the winters howl but I understand what u mean and will not keep this retarded debate going. CounterShift 13:18, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
I say that there should be a video of a player using the scavenger and a paragraph about how UNIQUE it is. 18.104.22.168 22:50, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
(sigh) A paragrafh about how unique it is cannot be put into the page, it would be the same as mentioning all of the details of the Scavenger. Please people don't keep this debate going. Its just a matter of opinion.
Is it just me or does the gun look similar to the XM25 Airburst Grenade Launcher from MW3. If it is an XM25 its clearly been given an extended barrel and modified ammo clip placement, but the design seems pretty similar. Also the scope is pretty much the same too. (if someone could link a picture of the XM25 next to a scavenger that would be apreciated Chariblock 17:39, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
Why is it called the Scavenger? (And yes it is a Wonder Weapon and here's why.) Edit
Not really a popular question, but in case you wanted to know why it's called the Scavenger, it's because the naming theme and also it's PaP version, the Hyena Infradead, is based off of the animal "Hyena" which is also known as a scavenger in real life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyena
I'm not quite sure what this has to do with sniper rifles that shoot explosive bolts, but yeah, themoreyouknow.jpeg
Also, The Scavenger IS a Wonder Weapon because:
A. You can not get power ups from the zombies it kills. This is unique to ALL Wonder Weapons bar the Ray Gun.
B. Only one person can have it at a time, this has been confirmed MULTIPLE times. Another unique factor of Wonder Weapons bar, yet again, the Ray Gun.
C. You cannot find it in any of the campaigns or on multiplayer through normal gameplay with the exception of the Wonder Weapons that require a special procedure ingame to find it. This is another unique factor of the Wonder Weapons.
This has been debated multiple times but these three points above are pretty much the nails in the coffin for the subject. —Unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124
The 31-79JGb215 also does drops, the explosive bolts appear to "clean up" the zombies like what scavengers do
WanderingE1000 22:26, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
A: You can get power-ups from the Wunderwaffe DG-2, Monkey Bomb, kicking a 31-79 JGb215 Zombie and Dolls though.
B: Nor can you get the Crossbow or Ballistic Knife twice, not a unique factor to Wonder Weapons.
Also just to point out, EVERYTHING says that it is a Wonder Weapon on this Wiki, the only thing that is against it is the people who don't think the weapon is one. --Ebon Shadowshot (Talk) (Contributions) 06:35, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
Maker of the weapon Edit
I would like to state that there is NO ingame evidence or anything revering to Harvey Yena as the inventor of the Scavenger/Hyena Infra-Dead. Also, H.Yena was most likely stationed at WaffenFabrik Der Riese, that raises another qustion, how did the weapon ed up in russia at the Group 935 stationed there. on another note there is only one reference to him by Edward Richtofen in a radio message where Edward suspects Harvey of being a spy, as he is American. The chalkboard on the map Der riese only says the word hyena, but it could still be plausible it mentions Harvey. What i want to achieve with this, change the line stating Harvey made the weapon to"likely" made the weapon. Jari 14:44, 15 May, 2012 (Timezone +1)
The Hyena is a Scavenger. WanderingE1000 22:23, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
That is exactly what i tried to point out, Hyena Infra-Dead is a play on Scavenger, as a hyena is a scavenging animal, and that it has nothing to do with Harvey Yena. Jari 04:16 May 16 2012 (Timezone +1)
who is the hyena? WanderingE1000 03:50, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
No one is the hyena, and could you be a little more specific? Also can someone now please someone change the following sentence in the trivia: The Scavenger was invented by Doctor Harvey Yena as a reference from the pack a punched version and his initials (HYENA) The Scavenger is possibly invented by Doctor Harvey Yena as a reference from the pack a punched version and his initials (HYENA), but it could also be a play on "scavenger", as a Hyena does this.
^if the sentance is not good enough fiddle around with it to make it apropriate for this wiki, i just want it to finnally state the correct trivia... Jari 08:49, 16 May, 2012 (Timezone +1)
why likely? WanderingE1000 14:37, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
That is pretty obvious but the facts keep saying the same, there is NO proof that Harvey Yena made the upgraded form of the scavenger, the Hyena Infra-Dead. I just want the trivia section to say that it is possible that he made the Hyena Infra-Dead, but that there can be no certainty with the current known facts. Jari 23:23, May 19, 2012 (Timezone +1)
Then who invented it? WanderingE1000 23:53, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
That is the thing you see, there are absolutely no hints on who made the weapon whatsoever, there are only the speculations of Harvey Yena but that is only a theory. Therefore I wat the Wiki to state this. So could someone PLEASE finally edit the page to state the correct thing in the trivia section, or I will make an account for this wiki and just do it myself since no one is doing it. Jari 10:45 May 31, 2012