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Sleight of Hand with Tanks Edit

Does anyone know if Sleight of Hand has any effect at all on the reloading of a Tank's turret? We know that Ordinance Training does this, but could Sleight of Hand do this as well? If both were used together what would that do? 06:52, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

It has no effect. Blinzy45 07:02, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sleight of Hand is only for weapons lol xNightmare <a href=""><img src="" alt="1476052.png" /></a>

No slight of hand pro on snipers, tweeted from DavidVonderhaar. 23:18, September 17, 2010 (UTC)16:03, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

hi82.3.162.118 16:35, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Whoo, no more quickscoping fools. Ouroboros Omega 01:06, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Verbiage Edit

I just wanted to clarify this statement for the Black Ops section:

"The pro version allows faster aiming down sights with non-scoped weapons"

So does that include non-sniper weapons with infrared scopes (e.g. LMG's, Assault Rifles)? Incrognito 17:37, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Speed increase by 50%, Time decrease by 33%. Edit

MW2 Pro variant edit wars, I do know one thing clearly,, a German IP (Germany has dynamic IP), who is most likely Marvel4 (the guy who decodes all the fast files and gives you the gun stats) has a history of being an incredibly useful individual, who cites and explains his changes, even when it is bland. I trust his judgement, and his provided proof for the changes of 50% to 33% wholeheartedly: It increases SPEED by 50%, this is NOT the same as reducing the TIME by 50%. 1 / 1.5 = 2/3 and perk_quickDrawSpeedScale "1.5" and And AGAIN... increasing SPEED by 50% is NOT the same as decreasing the TIME by 50%. 1 / 1.5 = 2/3. If any individual should have the honor of winning this "edit war", it's him. Jaedrik (talk) 17:22, October 10, 2013 (UTC) Jaedrik

Edit wars are not a question of "winning". What we're here to do is come to the best compromise about how to proceed. Also, if you'll forgive the rudeness, I do find it a little bit suspicious that an account that only came into existence today is saying we should side with the anon. 9G3sis0.pngRaven's wing Talk17:24, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
Today? Strange, I thought I created this long ago, I just clicked the sign-in thing, and there was my name, Jaedrik, and password, all saved and stuff. Besides that, I forgive any offense, I see none in your words, but you must understand, most people view these sorts of things as winning, while I'd prefer not to. Yes, I agree. But, when the truth is apparent (he cites MW2's dvars for pete's sake, an integral part of the game's code), there is no need to compromise with falsehood. Also, I know for a fact it is Marvel4, I talk with him frequently, forgive me for not being clear about that. He's part of the Symthic staff and Den Kirson's Proboards, he's literally THE GUY who gets the gun data from the fast files. The mathematical proof is also sound. SoH's Dvar clearly says that it modifies speed to 1.5x, which equates to a 33% decrease in time taken, as .5 is 1/3 of 1.5. Jaedrik (talk) 17:30, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
But the evidence is clear. He references the DVARs FROM THE GAME'S FILES. What more evidence do you need? The code doesn't lie. Also, you can test this. Just record a weapon with and without Sleight of Hand and measure the time differences. Dark Temple 20:26, October 10, 2013 (UTC) 17:33, October 10, 2013
1.5 is the set number. Applying maths to it will bring in too many variables. One example being the Extended Clip maths. 17:43, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
Furthermore, I dislike this debate trying to name-drop people. I couldn't care less whom is making the edit, I just care about the edit itself. And Raven raises a good point how all these names are only just coming up now. 17:45, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
It apparently is correct. Asked some guys on Symthic if it was correct, they said it was. So SoH decreases ADS time by 33% instead of the 50% as thought before. I'll ask (unless someone else wants to) the DK forums just to be safe, though I can only do this in about another two and a half hours (I'm at school and ProBoards is blocked on the internet here). Zombie Rank 8 Icon BOII Kylet357 · talk  17:50, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, and here's the Symthic thread:
Zombie Rank 8 Icon BOII Kylet357 · talk  17:52, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
Aye, I as well do not like name-dropping, but I was under the impression that's the only thing CoD Wiki respected (as showcased here by your deference to Raven, and Raven's deference to you in the face of hard evidence, which I now know not to be an accurate impression due to the others helping defend this change). Other than that, Sam, if you don't know math, then why did you edit it? Do not get me wrong, I am not trying to insult you or your community, I'm simply pointing out a few glaring issues. It is simple mathematical and absolute proof that .5 of 1.5 = 33%, and the DVAR (which is the only thing that should really matter, being straight from the game files) is incredibly clear that this is the case. I am also not familiar with what you mean by Extended Clip maths, the math is clear for each game it's in. We should defer, then, to the lowest common denominator, that which is the irrefutable game data, there is no need for verification from other people when our own intellect makes it abundantly clear. Jaedrik (talk) 17:53, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
Cleary it seems you want to fund your argument by being a dick. It is not a strong argument and makes me less inclined to believe you. 17:59, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
Then, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware I was being a dick. I didn't think making my point was detrimental to the wiki, or was going overboard. Edit: I also had absolutely no intention of attacking you or inciting flame wars and the like. I hope you accept my apology. But I still want to be clear that the real issue here is resolved. Are we all in agreement that it is a 33% decrease in time, and a 50% increase in speed? Jaedrik (talk) 18:01, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
What? He funded his argument using logic and math that anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of division could do in their head or heck, if they need it, a calculator. Due to overwhelming proof, I can no longer see a reason why ADS time should be considered a 50% decrease in time. Also, what did you mean with Extended Clip? That is calculated in a similar, but different matter (rounding up and down and such forth). However, that is another topic. I want to end with the note that this page should be corrected ASAP. Dark Temple 20:26, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
Being neutral on the matter, I'm gonna go ahead and unprotect the page. Enough proof of it being 33% is given, and there's really nothing against it. -- laagone (talk)  20:29, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for being reasonable.
Dark Temple 20:30, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
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